| Author | Message | ||
     Cyclonemduece |
I ordered new front rotor bolts from ST.Paul H-D and I am comparing them to my stockers they are not the same. They are the right length, the bag they came in reads: CA0001.Q screw, tox,5/16-18X7 they just have a different head on em. | ||
| Chasespeed |
lemme guess.. you have a set of button head screws, and the ones in the rotor are flush mount(went brain dead and cant think of the right name) Chase | ||
| Loki |
countersunk is the term for which you search. | ||
| Cyclonemduece |
ill get some pics.... | ||
| Iamike |
I made that mistake when I ordered the updated rotor that required the buttonhead (torx) bolts. They ordered the countersunk allenhead bolts. I guess that since I had to tell the counter person most of the info that I should have told them about the difference in bolts too. | ||
| Cyclonemduece |
ill get some pics.... | ||
| Jos51700 |
I've run into this before. I believe you need rotor bolts for a 2002 M2. There is an issue with a superceded rotor, but no superceded bolts. | ||
| Jos51700 |
Actually, edit that, it might be a 1999 X1. Can some owners verify what their bikes have? | ||
| Zenfrogmaster |
My 2001 Cyclone came with button head Torx bolts. EBC replacement rotors are available for either button head or countersunk. American Sport Bike has both types of bolts listed on their site. | ||
| Spiderman |
Invest in a thread gage and find your local fastner store. They will have way better and more choices at a better price. And they will know exactly what you need, most parts guys can't even tell you what a Socket Head Cap Screw even is... | ||
| Jramsey |
Flat Head Socket Cap Screw is what your after. Bad as I hate to recommend them try the local Fastenless, oop's I meant Fastenal store. My 2000 X1 has Torx button heads on the rotor and flat head socket cap screws plugging the non used holes on the other side. | ||
| Jos51700 |
Yeah sure grab a butter bolt at the nearest hardware place. It's not anything important like brakes or anything...... You can do what you want, I guess, but I am going to have to shake my head on this one.... | ||
| Jos51700 |
Elastic deformation? Plastic deformation? Elastic limit? What's that? http://www.materialsengineer.com/DA-Fastener-Failu re.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deformation http://www.boltscience.com/pages/failure2.htm http://www.boltscience.com/pages/training1.htm It's like your penis. Just because it fits in a hole, doesn't necessarily mean it belongs in there. | ||
| Jramsey |
Jos51700 Who pissed in your post toasties today? You asked for verification from some of us as to what types of fasteners were used to mount the front rotor. What ....don't like my reply,tuff get a life. For someone who claims to be a HD-Buell mechanic you don't know squat about fasteners. If HD-Buell would use better quality fasteners in the first place and stop drowning them in Locktite maybe the heads wouldn't strip or pull the threads out when you do get them broke loose. Just about anybody with a brain knows a fastener has to stretch a given amount in order to stay tight. | ||
| Big_koch |
Butter bolt? Give me a break, John. Don't put words in others' mouths. I'll chalk this one up to blind allegiance to the factory, versus sheer ignorance of the fact that hardware stores may carry varying grades of the same size bolt. Neither is much better than the other as far as I'm concerned. Get the bolts to do the job (whatever it may be) wherever you can find them, and at the best price you can find them for. I never have, nor will I ever, spend $5 for one bolt b/c it has blue threadlocker pre-applied. What a joke. | ||
| Jos51700 |
"If HD-Buell would use better quality fasteners in the first place and stop drowning them in Locktite maybe the heads wouldn't strip or pull the threads out when you do get them broke loose" That's funny, I don't have those problems....... Maybe the factory does that so "Buellers" like you have to take it to a real shop to get it fixed? | ||
| Jos51700 |
"Butter bolt? Give me a break, John. Don't put words in others' mouths. I'll chalk this one up to blind allegiance to the factory, versus sheer ignorance of the fact that hardware stores may carry varying grades of the same size bolt. Neither is much better than the other as far as I'm concerned. Get the bolts to do the job (whatever it may be) wherever you can find them, and at the best price you can find them for. I never have, nor will I ever, spend $5 for one bolt b/c it has blue threadlocker pre-applied. What a joke." Well, I'd recommend you take your vast knowledge of fasteners and go to Milwaukee, find the guy that picks out fasteners for a living, and show them how much better you can do his job, because it's evident that you know so much more about it than he does. I have very little blind allegiance to the factory, but I can plainly see from posts like yours, that someone, somewhere, knew a fuggovalot more that you did when he picked out these fasteners. Like I said, It's not like it's on the friggin' brakes or anything. I know $25 bucks is a lot to spend, but that's definitely the place to save it. | ||
| Jos51700 |
"For someone who claims to be a HD-Buell mechanic you don't know squat about fasteners. " Same goes to you too. If you know so much, go show them how to do it right. Otherwise, put your ego in check, and realize that there just might be more to it than you know. Ego's usually wither with age. I figured you would recognize that by now. I'm erring on the side of safety here, and you two wanna bitch? Sure thing. | ||
| Big_koch |
Did I claim to know anything regarding the fastener selection for the bike? Nope. Once again putting words in others' mouths. I simply said that the same EXACT bolt, which was selected by the aforementioned genius, can be had for a fraction of the price at the local hardware store. | ||
| Jramsey |
You started it not me. YOU asked a question post # 8and I answered #11,then you blast away. You wouldn't know a real shop if even if you owned it. Do you know the difference between a Class 1A and a 1B,2A or 2B or 3A or 3B thread or even know the difference between the A or B................not likely. Since your so smart I gather you have $3,000.00 worth of plug gages in your tool box along with .0001 mics. to three wire a thread. I doubt you know the difference of pitch, crest,root,lead,flank,or truncation. By the the way my ego has been in check since about the time you were born. Flame on "Mr. I will work for karate lessons because my family was kidnapped by ninjas" | ||
| Oldog |
Please read the terms of use of this forum thank you.  | ||
| Firemanjim |
Man,it got ugly in here,you new guys need to keep it in check. All we try to do here is exchange information. Leave the name calling and mud slinging at the door. | ||
| Big_koch |
Not sure if it was directed at me, but I have read the terms of use, and don't believe I voloated any. You're welcome.  Also...not sure if June 2006 makes me a "new guy" or not? But I'll assume that wasn't directed at me either. I was exchanging the information that the same bolts can be had quicker elsewhere for a more competitive price. | ||
| Chasespeed |
Personally, it doesnt matter if it was directed at any one member, or another. The person or persons who are wrong, know who they are. If you dont agree with something, fine, say so, and, if you feel the need to justify your standing, do so, within the bounds of decency. Personally, I think the attitude of a few others lately sucks. So, on that note, either play nice, or, take it elsewhere. Chase | ||
| Jramsey |
I will not back down when someone "attacks me" for no reason. John asked about what fasteners were used in his post # 8 and I replied. I did nothing( nor anyone else) to deserve the "butter bolt reply." I'm 51 and have been "chasing threads" on a lathe since I was 10 years old. Do I know it all?........of course not nor do I claim to. I met John on this forum and he led me to the SWMOSPORTBIKE.com web site. Up until last evening I had tremendous respect for the guy, he is witty,intelligent and quite knowledgeable. Hopefully he was having just a bad day and things will get better for all concerned. Regards James | ||
| Rellim51 |
Now that all that's over with, If you ever need hard to find bolts, this is the place to go. www.mcmaster.com This place is awesome! Just start typing what you are looking for in the search box and it usually has it pulled up before you can finish typing. I am amazed by the selection of cool stuff they have. Sheets of carbon fiber, chunks of titanium, salt & pepper shakers, they have it all. I order stuff from them everyday at work and we always have our stuff the next day no matter how late I order. | ||
| Jos51700 |
Look, all I'm saying is, do we really want to cheap out on brakes? I'm sorry I've offended you guys, I'm not trying to belittle you or offend you, and I'm sorry if I did. But this isn't about MotorCompany loyalty, age/experience, occupation, other websites, or even rules of this site. This is a safety issue, plain and simple. I feel that some recommended unsafe parts, and I spoke up about it. I offered sources to educate and back up my point. I was challenged, and I challenged back. I don't care if it makes you hate my guts or not, if it's unsafe, I'm gonna call you on it, no matter who you are, how old you are, no matter what you do for a living, or anything else. I'm trying to look out for riders and if you hate my guts or think I don't know anything about how this is done, fine. At least I'm trying to protect fellow riders with a little common sense and proven, recommended procedure. My point is made, flame on. | ||
| Chasespeed |
My point is made, flame on. How about lets not. You made your point. I havent offered mine, but, I also dont feel the need to... Here in Old School, lets keep it sane and civil. This site is really good about self policing.. but... Anyway, NO more flames.. No more sparks. Nothing... drop it... thank you for understanding. Chase | ||
| Jstfrfun |
NOW THAT"S ENTERTAINMENT...family kidnapped by ninjas! Oh how I love this website. | ||
| Oldog |
Thanks Chase I could not have said it better my self. On the bolt quality issue a valid point has been raised, as the Rotor mount bolts MAY have specific proprties other than the thread class, Tensile strength and fatuge resistance would be paramont I KNOW that they come with locking patches applied. A failure here could be catastrophic .. If you have dealer issues call Al at American Sport Bike he can fix you up with the bolts. and they come to you. (Message edited by oldog on March 22, 2008) |
