| Author | Message | ||
     Ponti1 |
Just saw it mentioned in another post by slypiranna that the service manuals are now available...True? Anyone got one? How much $$? http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290 431/345153.html?1205974603 | ||
| Slypiranna |
AVAILABLE AT THE DEALERS TO ORDER NOW!...I SAW IT IN THE FLESH SO IT IS TRUE. | ||
| Ponti1 |
Thanks Slypiranna! Wasn't actually questioning your statement per se. Rather, just wanted to start a new thread so it wouldn't be missed by everyone. I am not yet an owner, but have read every post about this bike on every forum I know about for over a year (yes, I know it has not even been announced for a whole year...get my point??), and to me the service manual is one of the most significant pieces of news since we got confirmation about the start of the first production run... (Message edited by ponti1 on March 19, 2008) | ||
| Baggermike |
Finally, I cant wait to get one and will be able to figure things out on my own. Mike | ||
| Zac4mac |
Not doubting you Sly, but did you see a professionally printed and bound copy or a bunch of pages copied and stapled? Joe(Ratbuell) said there are now 3 chapters on HD-net, but this is the first I've heard of the whole manual FINALLY being ready. The second rough draft came out a month ago and it was 55 pages or something, smaller than the owner's manual. I hope you're right, I'll be checking my dealer today. Thanks for the "heads up" Zack | ||
| Court |
I'm being updated fairly frequently on the status of the project at Tech Pubs. If you saw one I'd be amazed. I'll get an update today and advise. | ||
| Zac4mac |
Thanks, Court. A Manual sure would be nice. I've broken enough already poking around trying to reverse engineer stuff. Would be so nice to see exploded diagrams and fastener locations. Zack | ||
| Court |
It was a major shortfall (in my personal opinion) of the 1125R program. It's not good to release any new, like a 2008 Ulysses with a revamped motor, without a manual. It's worse to release, particularly having touted the "new technology" of the product, a new to market product without a manual. The concern is exacerbated by the fact that many mechanics in HD facilities struggle with the "derived from a Sportster" motors in Buells. The idea that they can "feel" their way through a new design is preposterous. I've witnessed "known good" mechanics making errors. Dave Gess and I have long been advocates of the "John Deere Method" . . Job No. 1 MUST have a service and parts manual sitting on the seat to leave the assembly line. Trust me . . . there are folks at HD who would like to take a contract out on the two of us. We've been quite . . . er, "vocal". | ||
| Davegess |
You all know how supportive of Buell I am and I must say this manual thing is a huge disappointment to me. I have done a small amount of tech publications and can see no reason why a preliminary manual with all the basics covered is not online for the dealers BEFORE they actually get a bike. A complete draft should be online within a week of shipping a bike and a hard copy rolling off the press within a month (worst case) of shipment. Complete almost perfect bikes were ready 3 months before the first delivery; even if you started then you should have been done sooner than this. Don't know who caused the hold up, were the Austrians very slow to provide the engine info? Was Tech Pubs at Juneau overwhelmed by the totally new bike? I suspect that fingers are being pointed at East Troy and that is not really the source of the problem. Don't know. I do know that if this happened at a rather large tractor company I am familiar with that heads would be chopped off. If a farm implement company can pull it off why not Buell. | ||
| Court |
It's not the blame I'd concentrate on . . . I'd work on developing a process to do better. I keep the 3 page process that Dave developed in 1997 on my desk to use as a framework for future examples. Get caught up in trying to ascribe blame and you'll miss the point. | ||
| Spatten1 |
Court, you're a construction worker, please send them a Gantt Chart. (Message edited by spatten1 on March 20, 2008) | ||
| Reepicheep |
I do software development... a Gantt Chart huh? That's the tool used by management to assign blame after your project ships with 1/3 the features in 3x the time, right? | ||
| Spatten1 |
Hopefully they assign blame to the guy who's name is next to the task that held up all of the people that didn't leave at 4:55 everyday. | ||
| Ducxl |
My CNC Swiss lathe software uses the Gantt charting.It's very helpful in trimming parts of the program that consume time.Cool stuff,but i'm off topic.Sorry | ||
| No_rice |
well i just checked hdnet, and it still is a future part with no release date. as in not available to order yet. | ||
| Court |
Gannt would be a poor choice. I use Primavera (and MS Project when all I need is window dressing) and am pleased to tell you that Buell has detailed project schedules. Someone simply dropped the ball on this. Scheduling (don't get me started . . . it's a REAL hobby of mine) is a fascinating science. In a talk I gave to a class last year I opined that "up until this point the greatest development in project scheduling was multi-colored highlighters". I get real touchy about schedules. They are valuable when they are used to DRIVE a project and it's elements. They are useless when they are used to prepare what I (in an uncharacteristic moment of yelling) earlier today called a "timely lesson in recent history" . . referring to the fact that the contractor prepared the schedule AFTER performing the work. Gannt was an interesting fellow. Court | ||
| Spatten1 |
Scheduling (don't get me started . . . it's a REAL hobby of mine) is a fascinating science. I think that is the key in construction execution. Don't know if you've seen Kiewit's scheduling system, but it's very impressive. | ||
| Slypiranna |
I OFFICIALLY FEEL LIKE AN IDIOT FOR BEING WRONG ON THIS ONE AND MY OPOLOGIES TO ALL HERE. What I assumed was the service manual was a parts manual with printed out service papers off hd net stuffed into the binder. When I asked if this was available for sale the tech said of coarse, you just have to order one as they do not keep them in stock...I found this out after trying to order that service manual today and really looking like an idiot...similar to the way I feel right now. Again, I am sorry...feed me to the sharks...I'm going back to my little fishbowl now and keep my trap shut. | ||
| Bigdog_tim |
I work in the software industry. I have come to expect that for any scheduled task, the planned duration is rarely related to the actual time required. And based on where you are in the project, priorities will change dramatically thus making the scheduling process dramatically less valuable. At that point it time, it becomes a "we will be done on X date". Whatever is done on X date, is it. Oh - I do love the software business....  | ||
| Bearly |
50 Lashes, Take his Brain! Oh I was so worked up about getting my big blue manual. Oh well. I have worst things happening to me I guess. I took the 1125R out again today, put a couple hundred miles on it. Had fun. Windy and very gusty, that was only apparent when swapping with my buddy on his Uly. Anyway like I said the 11 worked great. Pulled hard from down low and rev'ed quickly. Sliding a bit here and there in the trash left over from winter, but I'm working towards the edge of the tires. Did too many short wheelies. Everything worked great. What an Awesome bike. What I'm I doing wrong? :-0 |
