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Blake
Posted on Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 02:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Click on the pic above. The tanks are ASB parts. You'll have to ask Tat if he can provide one unpolished. Easy enough to have them bead blasted though.
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Andrew
Posted on Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 03:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

yep, I saw those on the ASB site. But they aren't listed as being for S3's. Just X1,S1, and M2. Of course if you know something I don't...please let me in on it. To be honest, I hadn't even inquired of ASB as to fitment.
If you wanted to talk ShovelHeads, that I know. Evo Buells, I'm still learning.

Anyone made a cross fit chart for model years?

So a Motocraft for an extra 1/2 Qt. Any problem running big orange Fram PH-8?
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José_Quiñones
Posted on Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 09:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

On the Mobil 1 15w50 vs. 20w50 issue:

Other than the viscosity on the low end, I don't think that they are much different, based on what I have read and the way Mobil 1 "dances around" the issue in their FAQ. As long as they are both SG/SH and 50 weight.
This new SL rating I don't know enough about.

From the December 2000 issue of American Iron, by Chuck Goldman:


Quote:

Bottom Line: I personally use Mobil 1 V Twin 20W-50 in my bike. If I were on the road and down a quart, and I could not find Mobil 1 V Twin 20W-50, then I'd use Mobil 1 Tri-Synthetic Formula 15W-50. If I couldn't find that I'd use HD 360 20W-50...




In summary:

HD 360 - Good
15W50 - Better
20W50 - Best
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José_Quiñones
Posted on Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 09:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

From Mobils FAQ


Quote:

Q:Can I use Mobil 1 15W-50 in my bike, just like I use in my car? Mobil 1 is Mobil 1, right?
A: Mobil 1 for cars and Mobil 1 for motorcycles are markedly different. Every oil is a balance of benefits. Mobil 1 Tri-Synthetic™ Formula for cars has been developed specifically to satisfy car manufacturers' needs for increased fuel economy and low emissions.That's why new cars come with friction-modified, low-phosphorus 5W-30 motor oil. The low viscosity and the friction modifiers help fuel economy. The low phosphorus levels help protect catalytic converters.




Well they mention 5w30, but we're interested in the difference in the 50 weight oils. Which is why I say they are "dancing around it"

here's another one:


Quote:

Q:What about Mobil 1 V-Twin oil? How is that different from Mobil 1 for passenger cars?
A: Mobil 1 V-Twin oil is designed for air-cooled, large-displacement bikes. Because of their design, these engines can generate very high localized oil temperatures and high overall bulk-oil temperatures.

As you know, a typical air-cooled V-twin's rear cylinder gets a lot hotter than the front cylinder – it's a matter of airflow. When it's hot out and you're stuck in traffic, the oil temperature in your bike climbs rapidly. Above about 250° F, conventional motor oil is going to break down. Mobil 1 V-Twin synthetic oil is good to above 300° F.

In addition, Mobil 1 V-Twin 20W-50 is a higher-viscosity grade than Mobil 1 15W-50 for passenger cars. And Mobil 1 V-Twin has no viscosity index improvers, so the oil is very "shear stable." Simply put, Mobil 1 V-Twin synthetic oil won't break down as readily as conventional oil.


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Davegess
Posted on Thursday, June 06, 2002 - 10:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"no viscosity index improvers, so the oil is very "shear stable""

This alone means that this stuff is MUCH MUCH better in the transmission than anything else. Viscosity index improvers get destroyed in a hurry between gear teeth.
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Andrew
Posted on Friday, June 07, 2002 - 08:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


Quote:

Well they mention 5w30, but we're interested in the difference in the 50 weight oils. Which is why I say they are "dancing around it"




That was my take on it as well. I am feeling comfortable with my choice of 15w50. The bike is definately running quieter, seriously quieter. It's much less noisy when I'm riding with a full face now. The butt-o-meter says smoother too.
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Raymaines
Posted on Saturday, June 08, 2002 - 11:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I’m a little confused about which Mobil 1 product to use in my M2 primary case and tranmission. Does Automatic Transmission Fluid work or should I use the 75W90 Gear Oil?
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Ara
Posted on Sunday, June 09, 2002 - 07:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ray, ATF is either 5 or 10 weight - 5wt, if memory serves. Not advisable for our transmissions.
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Raymaines
Posted on Sunday, June 09, 2002 - 10:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ara: Thanks.

BHRalph: Thank you. I searched the KV but it’s a never ending conversation like the GenDis board rather than a sortable list of facts and some times the level of knowledge is a little over my head.

Kevin (Freyke): Thank you as well. My local Schucks Auto Parts store has Mobil 1 Gear Oil in stock and that’s easier than sending off and then waiting for a different product. Not cheaper mind you and maybe not better, just easier.

So the next primary oil change will be with Mobil 1.
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José_Quiñones
Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 09:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Went to the local Kmart to look for the new Mobil 1 15w50.

It is now rated SL, but it is still also rated CF, which is for Diesel engines, and what HD says is "ok" to use if HD360 is not available.
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José_Quiñones
Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 09:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)



Excellent for supercharged and turbocharged engines, muscle cars and amateur racers.
The highest viscosity Mobil 1 available containing the SuperSyn™ anti-wear booster.
Race proven.
Exceeds API SL/CF.
Exceeds ACEA A3/B3/B4-02.

Mobil 1 15W-50 is factory fill in Ford Mustang Cobra R.

*Use these as guidelines only. You should always follow the viscosity grade and API service category recommendations listed in your vehicle owner's manual.
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Jasons1
Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 08:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey guys.

Do any of you ride without any rear tire fender/guard. I just removed mine on my '96 S1 this winter, and have ridden around 1,200 miles without it on.

I removed my seat and found TONS of small pea gravel around the oil filler cap and around the oil tank. I'm assuming that this is from the guard being removed and allowing road gravel to accumulate.

I'm just wondering if anyone else has experienced this.

Also, I am having oil seeping out from where the oil lines meet the tank. The lines seem to rotate relatively freely where they meet the tank. Is this also normal, or do I need to replace the lines or tank.

Any advice would be appreciated.
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Mikej
Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 09:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jason,
I made a little grit/mud flap that I shoe-goo'd onto the top of my M2 oil tank that then covers the oil filler hole/cap to keep the grit and spray off. I used an old innertube like one from a Schwinn or an old Honda. The M2 still has the inner fender, but I still got some grit up there (probably from not parking the bike when it rains).

Bummer thing is, when the shop repaired my bike, they removed the flap, so now I have to make a new one.
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Doncasto
Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 06:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Redline Oil Update - Primary/Trans


After reading about a change in what {http://www.redlineoil.com/,Redline} was recommending from a post on the ATC site, I emailed them and received the following response.

"We now recommend the 75W90 in the Buell and Sportster transmissions,
but in most instances the ShockProof Heavy also works well."


I will be changing over fromt the Shockproof in my next primary case service, and will be interested in what, if any, difference it makes.

Don
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Jmartz
Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 10:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Don:

I've been runnig RLSPH since it 1st appeared on this page. After several changes during a period of several years the clutch became inoperative. Upon inspection I discovered a green paste accumulated between the pressure plate and diaphragm spring that was preventing the spring from flatening out.

Someone on this page mentioned that the green goo is a degradation product of the oil. As soon as its time for a trans service I'm switching to Mobil 1 75w90
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Doncasto
Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 11:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jose:

Your "green goo" report has added additional incentive to try the 75w90. I remember seeing some of the same stuff when I replaced my rotor a while back - I have to wonder if their might have been a "goo" factor in their recommendation shift . . .

Although I am a loyal Redline customer, I would even break down and give Mobil 1 a try in both the primary and crankcase - if I wouldn't have to chase all over the People's Republic of Boulder to find the stuff.

Thanks for the heads up! Off to Breckenridge . . .
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Jmartz
Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 11:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Don:

I have also been using Mobil 1 15w50 now for over 40,000 miles. Not sure what to say about it. It is dark and gets darker with use. With improved chemical stabilty (temp resistance) it is likely reducing wear in the engine. Unfortunately I don't overheat my bike and with regulart oil chnages I don't think it makes a difference either way.
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José_Quiñones
Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 12:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Jose,

Have you started to use the new SL/CF Mobil 1 15W50? Notice any difference?
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Jmartz
Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 12:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Not yet jose. I had a bottle of RLSPH left and at $9 a pop I decided to use it after I last opened the primary area to clean the goo out. I don't forsee much difference. Perhaps a bit of posi additive might help disengage the clutch. This wet system we have just doesn't let go completely hence the incessant clunks.
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Jmartz
Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 12:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

oops! you are talking about the motor oil...

I know they made a change to the oil about a year or so ago and I had some concerns that it would still be ok for roller bearing applications. Someone at Mobil told a friend of mine not to worry.

I have never tried the V-twin specific. $4 is all I want to pay for a qt. of oil.
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Nemo
Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 10:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have not been able to find the Mobil 1 V-twin oil at any local motorcycle shops. Where can I find this stuff.
Thanks
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Pilk
Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 11:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

AutoZone is a full line Mobil 1 dealer. They stock all the Mobil 1 products at my local one.
Also any auto parts store can order whatever from Mobil.
Pilk

ps Walmart usually has the v-twin oil on the shelf also.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, June 19, 2002 - 11:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Some auto parts stores carry the Mobil-1 moto oils.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 12:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My local autozone had it, but in the back and not on the shelf, you had to ask. Would not have known, but got to chatting with one of the guys behind the counter, who it turns out has a sportster and had all sorts of questions.

It was pricey though, like $8 per quart or something. I used to just run the mobil 1 15-50 car oil, but now that they changed the formulation I may go back to the Mobil 1 Vtwin. I have been stalking every walmart I can find here in Ohio and have yet to find one with the VTwin.
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Ara
Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 08:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm still looking for the Mobil 1 gear oil. Any suggestions?
Russ
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Andrew
Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 08:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Try your local Wal-Mart. A few weeks ago they had 5qt jugs of 15w50 for $17 and change. Much less expensive than by the qt or any of the auto parts houses.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, June 20, 2002 - 09:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My Autozone had that (Mobil 1 Gear Oil) as well, right out on the shelf. Funny looking container, tall and round with conical top.
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Sparropie
Posted on Sunday, June 23, 2002 - 07:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

This from the august, 2001 is. of American Iron mag; from Reed J. White, Optimum Performance Products...
'When Chuck Goldman formulated V-Twin 20W-50 oil, the total shared system of Sportsters/Buells was taken into account.Here are some advantages of using V-Twin 20-50...1)maximum shear stability to resist viscosity shear down in high performance engines and transmissions, 2) Optimized for wet clutch performance, 3) Excellent low temp. flow characteristics...'

I have run Mobile 1 20-50 in my '00 S3's primary/tranny for almost a year. From Tacoma to Laguna last summer. Round and round the rain forest for about 4-5'000 miles. No problems from that part of the bike

Galen
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Prof_Stack
Posted on Monday, June 24, 2002 - 10:25 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Please compare sport/tranny fluids: (1) Harley brand, (2) Mobil 1 75/90, (3) Mobil 1 20/50.

How will changing from (1) to either of the other two make a difference in shifting and primary chaincase performance?


PStack
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Buellbob
Posted on Monday, June 24, 2002 - 03:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So are you saying I can use one oil for engine/tranny and the primary?
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