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Blake
| | Posted on Monday, June 10, 2002 - 12:59 pm: | 
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I thought Ducatis wore red miniskirts.  |
Jmartz
| | Posted on Monday, June 10, 2002 - 03:54 pm: |
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They are sissy bikes with fairly old technology (1950's) and somewhat on the heavy side (450 lbs). 916's make about 110 at the rear wheel but with 6 gears, better ergos and aerodynamics and a 9,500 redline they are difficult to catch on our bikes, even if modified.
Off the line I always get out in front but get passed just about the time my speed reaches 70 mph. The pleasure is very short lived. |
Ryan23
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 10:55 am: |
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These are the results from the zippers 88ci on a S1. Does any one know how reliable this set up would be?
88"kit |
Ryan23
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 10:57 am: |
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zippers 88ci |
Torqd
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 11:06 am: |
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Well Blake and others...Brian Nallin...you know that southern hick:-} Just got his Dyno 250 (I think) up and running...He has been hammering on it for a week or so now...Here is just an example of tuning...upper 80's hp sporty drag bike up to 109 hp...just tuning! The guy thought it was running good before...anyway...he is eager to get some bikes in there to tune and get some results for you guys.
Just a note on his actual dyno...it has an o2 sensor, eddie current setup and can accept motorcycles, midgets or 4 wheelers...he tried to cover all the bases on the first shot.
Give him a call at 318-631-6747
Aaron- please don't comment on my Dyno terms...I am not a dyno master like you:-} I just know it is a good dyno and that tuning is very important as you have been showing people. Boy I can't wait to get my bike done! |
Redstripe
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 12, 2002 - 06:26 pm: |
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Blake, Tommyboy;
Xcuse me for the late response. Following our little "conversation" of March I'll update You;
Been a little busy with the x1. Following drastic oil-consumption as of new, the dealer's fitted the x1 with 0.010 pistons in May. Or so they make me believe.
Yet as of this "overhaul" the bike has used 2 litres of oil in 1.700 kms.
Doesn't seem like there's been any work done, really.
I've been in contact with H-D Benelux as the dealers' weren't obliged to take responsibility for the work done!?
They are "gonna make sure the problem will be solved a.s.a.p.".
-Just my luck I knew who to contact; met my current girlfriend at Croix 2001 while she was still working for H-D Benelux...-
As soon as this'll be sorted out, and the engine broke in, Pitbuell -that's Bike Hospital- will make some of the nescessary modifications.
These will be;
-Fit a K&N filter
-Ignition retarding
-Gut the airbox
-Sort the breathers. -the fifth primary gasket just went-
-Scanalize the whole thing
-Fill it up with Red-Line oil.
Hopefully that will "dot the i's", as we call it.
Soon as the dyno run has been made, I'll post the results.
The bike is my only means of transport, so no big-bore stuff yet. So far I'm just looking for maximum potential for the fairest costs compared to good reliability.
Bike Hospital has fitted their s1 with Millennium Technologies 1450 cc cilinders and tuned the bike. So far they've reached 115 bhp.
I'm keeping a close eye to see how the bike keeps, as this is of close interest to me.
Wouldn't know if it's possible to maintain the injection of the x1, though...
I'll keep You posted, Jilles. |
Aaron
| | Posted on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 10:25 am: |
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1999 M2 owned by yours truly
Head work by Wes Brown at Cycle-Rama
Stock cylinders prepared by Axtell's cylinder reconditioning service - .010 over
Ross custom pistons as specified by Cycle-Rama - 11:1 compression
Red Shift 585's
S&S travel limiter kit in the stock lifters
Crane adjustable pushrods
S&S roller tip rockers
Mikuni HSR42
Crane Hi-4E in single fire mode
Stock header
Supertrapp IDS slip-on with 20 discs
As impressive as this result is, it's also very preliminary ... I have a couple things I need to optimize yet. Look for more charts on this bike in the coming months.
This motor isn't radical at all. It starts easy, idles well, it's fairly quiet mechanically, and doesn't ping a bit nearly as I can tell. And the motor *looks* stock, you'd have no idea from looking at it that it packs such a punch. And it's a HOOT to ride now, I'm falling in love with it all over again.
No offense to the folks in WI, but personally, I'd much rather have a badass hot-rod M2 like this one than an XB9R. Different strokes I guess. |
Aaron
| | Posted on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 10:51 am: |
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Back to back comparison (same exhaust system and carb for both "stock" and "modified" )
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Court
| | Posted on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 11:39 am: |
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Quote:No offense to the folks in WI, but personally, I'd much rather have a badass hot-rod M2 like this one than an XB9R.
Ditto
Suppose it's our age or something? (realizing that you are 10 years my junior  ) The XB9R interests me but doesn't make me "want" it. I am, all of a sudden, fighting off a 2000 M2 urge.
Go figure.
Court |
Peter
| | Posted on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 11:40 am: |
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Pammy,
Your husband is a genius. I'm going to have to talk to you about a set of heads when I see you at Bonneville........
PPiA |
Pammy
| | Posted on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 12:07 pm: |
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Oh my God...Pete you are gonna make me have to buy Wes a new hat(a result of his now too large head)
Aaron makes us look good.... |
Clydeglide
| | Posted on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 01:06 pm: |
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Aaron,
That thing doesn't have a torque peak, it has a torque "Plateau"
Clyde |
Peter
| | Posted on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 01:30 pm: |
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Pammy,
When I look at what's in that engine that's different to mine, it's essentially cams and headwork. I know if I put 585's with my heads, I'm not going to get those figures, even with an Aaron tune. Even at my redline, it's still putting out more than 105hp.
Wes deserves his new hat. I'll bring him one from the Red Light District.
PPiA |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 02:13 pm: |
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Pammy...
It's no doubt way out of my price range for now, but I plan on owning my 00 m2 forever and then some, so maybe in a couple years...
Just out of curiousity, what would a package like that run? You can pick up a 2k M2 for like $5k pretty easily now.
What would be the cost to ship you a basically stock 2k M2, have you work it over, and ship it back doing something like the above chart? If the whole package could come in below $10k total ($5k bike, $4k work), that would be a pretty competitive, and arguably better then anything else at that price!
I understand if the work involves so many variables that you can't quote a "basic" price, but I have a lot of friends asking me for recommendations on "new" bikes. The $5k price point is pretty easy to pick (Used M2, new SV-650, Kawa ZR-7 are all good), but the $10k price point has a glaring hole for an overpowered nice looking naked standard, and the CycleRama M2 could fill that hole nicely...
Bill |
Jmartz
| | Posted on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 03:17 pm: |
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Pammy:
What is the approximate cost of Wes' head treatment as used by AAron? I wanna send a set of new heads for his idulgement.
Jose |
Jmartz
| | Posted on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 03:22 pm: |
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AAron:
How much piston to valve clearance did you leave? Did you allow room for a bit of float at redline levels?
Question: If that same motor is assembled with stock lifters and pushrods the consecuence would be more one of not reaching 110 or would float and engine damage be a possibilty (certatinty) at 7300 rpm? |
Aaron
| | Posted on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 06:22 pm: |
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Pammy: all I did was take it apart and put it together and put it on the dyno ... the magic happened in Florida.
Court: tell you what, I've always been fond of the M2, it's just a terrific little bike (well, when the exhaust system stays on!). Now it's fun factor has been raised to a new level, though.
Jose: The 585's are actually narrower on the tdc lift than the Lightning cams, so piston to valve and valve to valve are not big problems usually. But, I checked my valve timing, and Zipper's got my intake lobes a tad advanced, not send'em back advanced, just enough to take notice. That pushed the intake to piston clearance a little, I had about .070 there. But that's enough on the intake, since the intake valve chases the piston down. The exhaust is much more critical since the piston chases it closed, and they got the exhaust lobes about perfect. I had almost .200 clearance on them, which is twice what they really need. So no worries, a little valve float would not likely cause any contact. Not that this thing will ever float with the limiter set at only 7300.
The idea of the travel limiters (or hydrosolids) is to keep the lifter from collapsing at high rpm, costing lift and duration and power. It's not so much a float thing. I've twisted the Blast 8,000 rpm with stock lifters and non-adjustable pushrods, no problem, as long as you've got the springs. But hey, a set of pushrods and a set of these limiters totals maybe $100, there's no reason not to do it IMO. I've got'em for the Blast now. |
Jmartz
| | Posted on Sunday, June 16, 2002 - 06:35 pm: |
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Thanks Aaron.
7300 is pretty good to make power to. Breathing is very important. I'm very impressed with the power you report out of a lightly modified 1200 cc motor. Sure makes me wonder what can be achieved with 4" bore and dual port heads. |
Blake
| | Posted on Monday, June 17, 2002 - 01:00 pm: |
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Aaron,
VERY nice! Kudos to Wes, Pammy, Chuck and the rest of the Cycle-Rama crew. Now bring that thing down here to Kilgore at only 350' ASL so you can really scare yourself.
I'll be heading to Nallin Racing some time this week to have the Cyclone strapped to their new dyno. Am anxious to see the results with only a CV40.
Will rerun later with race header, once I settle on a muffler.
JM,
"I'm very impressed with the power you report out of a lightly modified 1200 cc motor."
An entire high performance top end is "lightly modified? I always put an aftermarket intake and exhaust in the "lightly modified" category. I guess it depends on perspective. From a drag racer's view I guess not splitting the cases would be considered lightly modified. |
Jmartz
| | Posted on Monday, June 17, 2002 - 01:09 pm: |
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Blake:
No doubt that AAron has done quite a few mods but I chose the term "lightly" because at 1200cc's, stock stroke and factory heads, cases and bottom end it seemed to me the character (soul) of the motor was still the same. |
Aaron
| | Posted on Monday, June 17, 2002 - 01:28 pm: |
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Yup, it's all perspective ...
From my point of view, this seems "lightly" modified. To me, a bike with external only changes (exh, intake, ignition) is near-stock. Add reworking of the factory top end & a swap of the cams and you're lightly modified. Add big bores, strokers, aftermarket heads, cyls, cases, etc., and you're talking heavily modified. My race motor is heavily modified, for example. |
Shotgun
| | Posted on Monday, June 17, 2002 - 09:41 pm: |
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Aaron, your A/F levels out at about 13.0 on that first dyno chart. Are you at all concerned about being too rich and fouling plugs? Or is that the type of range you look at when making power? Curious cuz I don't have the dyno, just the A/F and have been trying to work mine down from what looked like too rich a mixture. |
Aaron
| | Posted on Monday, June 17, 2002 - 10:13 pm: |
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SG: 13:1 is about perfect for max power ... it'll vary slightly from motor to motor but 13:1 is a good general rule of thumb. No plug fouling issues at all. 10R12's have a *little* color, 6R12's are scary clean. |
Jmartz
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 08:53 am: |
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Aaron:
What compression does the M2 motor have, and are the valves stock diameter? |
Aaron
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 09:09 am: |
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Jose: 11:1, and no, not stock sizes ...
I was quite surprised to see what he did with the valve sizes, I haven't seen anyone do that, but that's probably one of those tidbits that I shouldn't discuss. The guy thinks outside the box, how's that? |
Smadd
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 10:19 am: |
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Seems that Aaron has had one of those "Florida Dynos" shipped out to Colorado! (For those of you who remember a similar topic from about a year ago.  )
Looks great, Aaron! They do know, and stand behind, their work. Combined with your knowledge and attention to detail, you can't lose.
Now that I'm in Ohio, I'm really missing having Pam and Wes near. And not just for the cycle services. They're the best people! |
X1glider
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 10:34 am: |
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Aaron: those M2 charts...are those actual numbers at 1 mile high or are they adjusted for sea level? If not adjusted, do you think you would see 125-130 hp in TX? I'm also curious how you tune the race bike up there for running the flats. |
Aaron
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 10:46 am: |
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Steve: I ain't no expert on heads by any means ... but I *can* see some really the innovative thinking that went into those heads. I'm impressed.
X1G: SAE corrected. |
M2cyclone00
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 11:31 am: |
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I've been real happy & impressed with the work that Wes did for me, plus an extremely good price. Wes treated me quite well. My M2 has 23k on it now & no problems. Dyno is posted on May 10.
Pammy, any chance of that Saturday dyno day that was discussed earlier?
Dave Frye |
X1glider
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 18, 2002 - 12:22 pm: |
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Aaron, can you read .doc files? I want to send you something for an opinion. Bob |
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