| Author | Message | ||
     Baggermike |
I just looked up the lemon law for the State of Maine and it says that a vehicle that has problems and can not be fixed in 15 business day's makes me entitled to a refund or exchange, friday will be fifteen business days and calling buell monday to tell them this. I should have done this with the ulysses but do not know if New Hampshire has a lemon law. Mike | ||
| Dentguy |
Baggermike, I thought about it with my Uly also, but I didn't do it. It doesn't matter now that the Uly is gone, but I won't make that mistake again. | ||
| Jos51700 |
In Missouri, there are multiple conditions that apply to the time period for "reasonable repair". There may be alot more to the Maine law. | ||
| Diablo1 |
Here's the New Hampshire lemon law: The New Motor Vehicle Industry Board consists of 5 members representing the following groups: Consumers (3 consumer representatives). Dealers. Mechanics. The Arbitration Board conducts hearings after the owner or lessee of the problem vehicle has documented one of the following: - At least three unsuccessful warranted repair attempts to correct a defect or nonconformity. - 30 or more business days out-of-service during the warranty period for warranted problems. - The alleged defect(s) or condition(s) must not be the result of abuse, neglect, unauthorized modifications, or alterations by the customer. | ||
| Baggermike |
I think I read it right and have 15 working days to fix it never mind all the trips I made to get it fixed and then stopped working so I think I have a good argument, and will call Buell monday to tell them that I do not have transpartation and I do not see the bike being fixed anytime soon so I will start the process monday also, I have owned many bike used and new and I must have a Buell curse but like this bike so much I will get another or hope they get it fixed this week or atleast have the tech guys go there this upcoming week and it is closer than florida that they went to, so the ball is rolling and do not know where it will go but I have to do something to release my anger I just got done waiting from mid october to the first week in december for my ulysses to be fixed and this is not happening to me again. Mike | ||
| Baggermike |
Maine is 15 working days not being repaired and have been up there 3 or 4 times to fix the problem before it stopped working all together. Mike | ||
| Slypiranna |
Just what I would give to Lemon Law the countless bad deals, products and services I've been through in 20+ years in business life. Funny, you cannot sue the real bad guys out there, just their low rent $ type "s" incorporations...then they go under and start again under a new name, scott free...which mares the good little guy by the process. Just who will be the winner in the end of threatening or exercising the Lemon Law's process? No one. It is just another ill attempt to get out of work...by the seemingly majority of our voting public's laziness (or lack of balls) to CONTRIBUTE TO RESOLVE A PROBLEM DIPLOMATICALLY, TRUSTINGLY AND WITH JUST PATIENCE...actually, if I had the lemon law in many of my first sentance description, I would not have the great folks still in business to deal with today. I seriously doubt that the Buell Company wants any one of us nothing less than satisfied with this 1125 in the end. So what if this might take some effort on our part as purchasers to HELP perfect it. Would any of you embark on anything close to this level if you had this law over you head to deal with and risk from a business standpoint? Never mind, I don't need an answer to that, just offering another side to consider. | ||
| Ratbuell |
As I posted in the 1125r service thread: Personally I think lemon laws are a waste of time. There is *always* a solution. It may take time, money, parts and patience to find it...but it is there. All a lemon law guarantees in my mind is bad blood in the end. Let the mechanics fix your bike. Let lawyers figure out your estate after you die, that way you're not around to see how they screw it up. 'course, that's just my opinion, and it's worth what you paid for it.} | ||
| Glitch |
Lemon laws are for automobiles, may want to check your state with regards to motorcycles. | ||
| Baggermike |
Glitch they are for motor vehicle, and a bike is a motor vehicle and I am a bike only guy and has been two bikes down in six month I thought when you buy a new bike it is because you do not want problems and that is all I have had and Buell customer service is jerking me around instead of fixing the bike. | ||
| Dentguy |
For those saying that lemon laws are a waste of time, useless and people need to be patient. The lemon laws are there for a reason, to help protect people who get bad, unreliable vehicles no matter if the sellers intentions were good or bad. I'm not saying that I favor lemon laws all the time as some may take advantage of them, but that is why they have guidelines. I also believe it may be a time consuming pain in ass process, but I'm not an expert on it. I don't know all the details of Baggermikes situation and don't need to know. But if it is his only means of transportation it needs to be fixed fast, replaced with another (temporary or not) or refunded. If Buell stands behind their product this should be done. I'm sure Buell will get the problem resolved, but in the meantime the guy needs his transportation. This is no different than a car. I have been down this road with a new boat, but it wasn't my transportation. It sat at the dealer for three months with no repairs. Then got shipped back to the factory for a month repaired and arrived back home with the same problems. A lot of discussions later I asked if the manufacturer stood behind their product. They said yes and I said prove it. They built me a new boat at no charge. They won me over from that point on. By the way I had the boat for a year when it was replaced by the manufacturer with the next model year. I was patient and could still use the boat in the meantime (except while at the dealer) so definitely not quite the same as Baggermike as he needs transportation. I am not saying Buell is the bad guy here as I'm sure they want it resolved also. But for some to suggest that people need to be more patient and put out more effort. How long should he wait and why should he put out more effort? Isn't that why there are time frames on lemon laws? You meet those time frames or you don't. Lemon laws are needed for some situations especially if someone spend their hard earned money for reliable transportation, they can't use it and not enough is being done fast enough. When you purchase new transportation and it sits in the shop and can't get you between point A and B patience wears out. Is the lemon law right for this situation? I don't know, but someone can and should to step up to the plate and resolve this. Slypiranna, What do you mean be low rent $ type s "incorporations" ? It sounds like a bad thing. I'm just curious what you mean because I have an S-corp. (Message edited by dentguy on February 20, 2008) | ||
| Baggermike |
Thanks Dentguy I also want everyone to know I just went thru two month from october to december with my brand new ulysses that had only 6500 miles and got it back leaking oil and had to bring that back to the shop so I think I have been patient enough. two new buell with problems, three month in the shop and three month out and I feel buell is not standing by there product when they give me the what do you want it is a racing bike, Do not think so it is a bike built from the rider down and to be driven on the street not a race track, that is what was promoted in the advertieisments, now I am a extream rider and only have bikes and need my bike running like a new bike should. Having to go through this twice with two brand new bikes both Buells, I think I have been patient enough, and have lost 1000 dollars because of not having the transpatation these bike were suppose to give me, if I wanted problems I could have bought used and saved money, one bike is to much to go through what I have been though never mind the second bike doing it to me again, and then buells attitude on it was like FU. Mike | ||
| Spatten1 |
Well said, both of you. (Message edited by spatten1 on February 20, 2008) | ||
| Diablo1 |
Baggermike, you're a heck of alot more patient than me. If I have trouble with a manufacturer one time, I never return to the scene of the crime. Buell screwed you the first time and you went back and bought an 1125. | ||
| Baggermike |
I am an American and buy American but did not go back to the dealership that sold me the ulysses which was Manchester New Hampshire Harley Buell they treated me like I did not matter and Big Moose Buell has gone way above any dealership I have gone to, I did not expect another problem, what are the chances of getting two bad bikes, well I must be cursed because I did, but I did not go back to the dealership that sold me the other Buell they were very bad in service and customer satafaction. I also found out I can do the lemon law on that bike to, so maybe I will have the last laugh in the end. | ||
| Spatten1 |
I was a teenager in the 1980s and worked at as a mechanic in high school and college. Seeing the quality of American products back then compared to Japanese cured me of automotive patriotism very quickly. Now the US automotive quality is much better, on par with the Japanese, but I believe that is only because people quit buying their poorly made vehicles and they had to improve them. If we kept buying their crap, they would have kept making crap. I say let the free market reign, and choose American when the product is as good as the competition. I'm not infering that Buell is better or worse than Japanese iron (aluminum), just my thoughts on purchasing decisions. If I thought Buell was crap I would not own one. (Message edited by spatten1 on February 20, 2008) | ||
| Hondaamer |
Guys, you better check closer. I'm in the car business and at least in florida, there is NO lemon law for bikes or large trucks, sorry | ||
| Baggermike |
I did check and it is in my owners manual for the state of Maine and maybe New Hampshire to were I bought the ulysses so maybe a double deal. | ||
| Dentguy |
Here is Virginia's just for kicks. Great news if you have a Moped.  "Motor vehicle" means only passenger cars, pickup or panel trucks, motorcycles, self-propelled motorized chassis of motor homes and mopeds as those terms are defined in ยง 46.2-100 and demonstrators or lease purchase vehicles with which a warranty was issued. Good Luck Baggermike, whatever direction you choose to go. Keep your chin up. (Message edited by dentguy on February 20, 2008) | ||
| Baggermike |
Thanks Dentguy. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
Any good news yet Mike? | ||
| No_rice |
in one of them he said he just got his bike back with a new fuel pump, and i think a battery? there are so many posts going on about his bike right now that i have no idea which one that was in though. atleast for now he has it back! | ||
| No_rice |
ah, here it is http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290 431/337330.html?1203542397 | ||
| Baggermike |
Hey guys it was me that had a bad voltage regulator and the fuell pump locked up and I needed a new battery to because the voltage regulator can hurt the battery when it goes bad, so I got the bike back running with a few new scratches, that is what happens when a bike is at a dealership that long. Mike | ||
| Rocketsprink |
well, at least you got your bike back. Hopefully for good. | ||
| Baggermike |
Thanks Rocketsprink I do to and think or hope Buell is coming out with an upgrade or replacement stators for my charging power, if not I will send the stator, rotor, and voltage regulator to be hopped up for more power. Mike | ||
| Slypiranna |
Dentguy, Slypiranna, What do you mean be low rent $ type s "incorporations" ? It sounds like a bad thing. I'm just curious what you mean because I have an S-corp. Please review what I wrote again, I did not mean to call every S-corp, low rent...but the MAJORITY of the bad guys ARE...and there is a very good reason for this. IE, a customer cannot personally sue for major $'s on a personal level...they must sue the incorporation which may or may not be worth a dime. I hope this clarifies what I originally wrote. | ||
| Spatten1 |
I think that you have S and C corps mixed up. Theoretically C corps provide a corporate veil for liability, but it is no longer really effective. Unless you have to be a C Corp (primarily # of shareholders, public markets, etc.) it is very unwise to do so. 1) You pay double tax (corporate then individual) on any profits not paid out in salary/bonus in the year earned 2) If you ever sell the company as an asset sale you pay two levels of taxtion. You will pay the government over 50% rather than 15% for an S Corp. If you sell it as a stock sale you have capital gains treatment but a lower basis and the buyer will pay less because he will not have assets to depreciate. 3) Any appreciation on assets will be taxed at the corporate rate rather than at individual capital gains. For example if you have real esate in a C Corp you will pay 40% tax on gains, and 15% more if you actually want to take the money out for yourself. | ||
| Spatten1 |
Sorry if I sounded like a know-it-all, but my job focuses on S and C Corp sales. | ||
| Court |
An individual can be either an "S" or a "C" corp. There are reasons for each. One of the differences is how income is treated, there are others. The "run and hide" tactic cited above is what is known as a "bust out" and it's an old mob technique in NYC. It's cute but hardly a very good way for any real company to escape responsibility. Back to the books . . . test over corporate taxes tomorrow afternoon at 4:10 . . just think . . . badweb did part of my homework!  | ||
| Dentguy |
Slypiranna, Thanks for your response. I did understand your seperation of the good and bad guys in your original post. When you said "low rent $ type S incorporations" it sounded like you were referring to all S-corps as being "low rent $" in a bad way so thats why I asked the question. Maybe I was just being a little defensive as I have an S-corp. and know a lot about S vs C corps vs LLC. from having a business. Thanks. | ||
| Slypiranna |
...this really drives home gentlemen...my take on the lemon law stuff. Court, go back to work...Dentguy, no harm meant and no foul done... ...and why you all sit and ponder what the hell I'm meaning here... I'm heading out for bike night on OUR BE(a)ULL(tiful) 1125R! Peace and I promise not to post to this topic again ...but elsewhere?! Until court banes me, I PROMISE TO! |
