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Spatten1
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 03:42 pm: | 
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Knife at a gun fight.
If you like the drag strip you should buy one of the many bikes on the market that make 150hp and more at the rear wheel.
I just don't think that it makes sense to get a 1125 for that purpose, or to get your feelings hurt when your 125hp bike can't keep up with one putting down 170hp to the rear wheel. On the other hand, a Hayabusa would be a PITA at a track day and no where nearly the fun of a 1125 on the street if you live where there are curvy roads. |
Baggermike
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 05:33 pm: |
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Both Kawasaki zx 14 and suzuki Hayabusa weigh 485 lbs dry Buell 1125 375 lbs and put out 137 hp at the rear wheel think it would be more like a katana against a bayonet. A road race is a drag race to the next corner. |
Bobup
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 06:01 pm: |
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Mike
in roadracing big HP does NOT equal winning races.
yeah its a "drag race" to each corner, but when a better handling bike is coming out ahead...as each lap passes, that better handling bike will more likely win at the flag.
but there are more variables in roadracing than in drag racing IMHO
bob |
Spike
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 06:05 pm: |
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quote:Both Kawasaki zx 14 and suzuki Hayabusa weigh 485 lbs dry Buell 1125 375 lbs and put out 137 hp at the rear wheel
While neither one is a lightweight, both the ZX-14 and the Hayabusa outpower the 1125R everywhere on the tach. On the same dyno I'd bet money that either would outpower the 1125R by about 40 horsepower at the peak. Also, both the ZX-14 and the Hayabusa have longer wheelbases than the 1125R which means they can get out of the hole quicker.
In a straight line there really is no comparison between them. |
Spatten1
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 06:14 pm: |
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1) You will not see the 1125 hit 137HP from very many dynos if the factory claims 145 at the crank. That is a VERY optimistic dyno that would probably put the Hayabusa at 180+ hp at the rear wheel.
2) The ZX10R weighs about 375 dry and has much higher horsepower than the 1125.
3) The ZX14 beats the ZX10 in a drag race all day long. Therefore it would beat the 1125 by a bigger margin.
1125 is a great bike, but not the right tool for a drag race. I test rode one and loved the engine, but it is a typical V-twin, which means it's not a horsepower king. It's not supposed to be.
I don't buy the idea that it is accelerating faster than I think. It just doesn't pull that hard in comparison to a literbike, but it is not supposed to. It is built for road racing, not "Pinks". |
Spatten1
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 06:17 pm: |
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but there are more variables in roadracing than in drag racing IMHO
Damn straight. Consistent power delivery is one of them, and the 1125 has that.
Nothing worse than being leaned way over and hitting a power band. Not fun at all. |
Spatten1
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 06:32 pm: |
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Bikes are pretty function specific nowadays. You won't find a great corner carver that is king of the 1/4 mile too. Too many compromises.
Can't be everything to everybody, but you can satisfy a target niche and purpose. |
Dalton_gang
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 06:52 pm: |
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Lets face it, we are all proud of our 1125r`s and we are all having fun. (I think)
The reality of all of this is that there is going to be a lot of quick and fast Buells out there this year. And once the factory race teams and the aftermarket performance companies have their way with the new Helicon it`s only going to get better for all of us who want a little more.
Dr Greg is right. The 60 foot time is the most important and the hardest number to nail down.
Spatten, I understand your point but if we just give up and buy ricers, then who is going to push for the 160hp, 180hp, or the 200hp Buell?
Brad, you`re right. Even though I`m thinking that mid 10s is a reality it may not be. |
Spatten1
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 07:22 pm: |
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Spatten, I understand your point but if we just give up and buy ricers, then who is going to push for the 160hp, 180hp, or the 200hp Buell?
I just like canyon carvers and the 1125 looks to be a stellar one.
I'm just not too concerned if Buell can make a more powerful bike than the Japanese, especially since Buell doesn't make any modern engines in-house anyway. |
Dalton_gang
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 07:34 pm: |
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"I just like canyon carvers"
Understood. I`m only wanting to drag mine once or twice a year(no pro stuff) but I can see someone else wanting to drag race theirs every weekend.
To each their own. |
Baggermike
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 09:00 pm: |
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I have said I have allot to learn and is why I am on here and need help to get there and is why I am going to race school and learn how to ride fast and do track days not race, I have nothing to prove to anyone. I have personal goals and I will meet them or not, and I will learn along the way to control this power get use to it and build on it. I grew up riding 4 stroke dirt bike while everyone else had 2 stroke, I just do not think comparing the 1125R as a knife to a gun fight is reality, Buell stated there is more power locked up in there and time will tell what it can do, more than everyone here saying this or that, let the wheels spin and see it on the track and see what comes down the road. I am just a crazy old man who lives by the bike and will die by the bike and hope some day I can say told you so. LOL. I would recommend watching the worlds fastest indian if you have not already, it is based on a true story. |
Buellborn
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 10:26 pm: |
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That was such a great movie Mike!
On a more sarcastic note, 
Society may never know how much Buell scarified in sales by detuning this bike for our own good. Thanks Buell!
End sarcasm.
PS, ROTAX RULES! I mean that! |
Slypiranna
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 10:40 pm: |
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...Finally, Buellborn and I agree...and it didn't even take more than his post right above. See you in the twisties...Robbinsville, NC this year! You are buying the first round that night after trailing me though! Rotax/Buell was/is that answer AND AS "WE" ASKED FOR IT THIS WAY FOR MANY MOONS...let us work together to perfect it. We've nothing but time in order to do so. Mr. Buell is smiling I think. Production #524 with 1100+ miles is really starting to break in and become happy! Proud new owner and operator! Peace out and ride safe. |
Baggermike
| | Posted on Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 11:16 pm: |
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Buellborn I agree and this is one fun bike and do not want to give up its powerband so hopefully a bigger bore kit and maybe more rpms would give me what I want eventually, this is going to be a life long project, and think this is a keeper, and just by seeing the inside of the exhaust and the R&D that went into it, I did my home work before buying and glad I got this bike it is awesome. Mike |
Spatten1
| | Posted on Friday, February 15, 2008 - 10:05 am: |
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I've ridden my XB at many track days, and believe that I've done pretty well on it. However, I still feel like I've got a knife at a gun fight on the XB at the race track. I could do faster laps on nearly any other sportbike out there, excepting the SVs.
Your 1125 will likely keep up with everything at track days. It has perfect power and power delivery for that type of riding and should absolutely excel. Just because I don't think you'll see 9 second quarters or beat Busas doesn't mean the 1125 will not be the perfect competition machine in a different element, one that it is actually designed for.
Mike, you have no idea how well you can ride until you've done a couple of track days. It will change your perspective dramatically. Most fun you can possibly have too! |
Garrett2
| | Posted on Friday, February 15, 2008 - 10:31 am: |
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slypirrana - why do you always says its #524??
even the factory says they have no idea what order the bikes are etc etc |
Baggermike
| | Posted on Friday, February 15, 2008 - 11:54 am: |
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Spatten I agree, I just want to have fun, I do not want to beat anyone just myself, I am sure that the bike could be made to do under ten but at what cost and then the bike would not be fun to ride. I do not want to do anything to the bike that would hurt its broad powerband, maybe more cubes down the road, a shifter kit, wheelie bars, exhaust, ecm, and maybe a higher reving motor if that is possible. Buell did not build this bike for the track and wonder what if he had, I also read the motor has been designed for more power? but anything I do to this bike will be to increase the fun factor, I have a problem I am a addict and I can not leave things alone and will be planning something to do to this bike as we grow old together. I think if I was going to road race it would be on a single cylinder converted MX bike which Roland Sands is coming out with kits for converting them into road race bikes, and also can be built from finding parts off of ebay. My son wants to do track days with me so I am hoping he can ride better than me, I also hope my son will want to race and I can be his mechanic and a single cylinder bikes are what I really like but had to go to two cylinder bike for more power and bought my first v twin in 1982 when Harley came out with the XLX with flat track bars and was like a big dirt bike for me and have had v twins since, and can not wait till hear this bike uncorked. I still think a katana Jap made compared to a bayonet US made fight is a more of a fair statement between the 1125R and the Hayabusa or Kawasaki ZX 14. Mike |
Spatten1
| | Posted on Friday, February 15, 2008 - 12:00 pm: |
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I have a problem I am a addict and I can not leave things alone
I can respect that!
I think if I was going to road race it would be on a single cylinder converted MX bike which Roland Sands is coming out with kits for converting them into road race bikes
Loved the article on that. I hope it comes to fruition. It's easy to forget that Roland was a very good racer when you think of him as a custom builder guy. |
Baggermike
| | Posted on Friday, February 15, 2008 - 12:22 pm: |
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Spatten I to have that article and you can do it by buying parts off of ebay, I have a money problem so anything I do takes time but my son does not and is up to him on what he wants to do and I can do it for him. I was hoping he would not be interested in bikes because I lost my wife in a accident but he wanted one so I asked him if he would race or ride off road and I would give up street riding to, but he wants to ride the streets so I bought him a blast to teach him on and hope my worst nightmare does not come true, he has a ulysses waiting for him in the spring and I do not know if he will be ready for race school in the summer but maybe by fall I can go and I can teach him what I learn in school also. We all know that there are more people driving with there heads up there butts and know matter how good you are it can happen. Mike |
Spatten1
| | Posted on Friday, February 15, 2008 - 12:39 pm: |
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Wow Mike, that would be tough for me to deal with.
Hopefully riding the track will keep him from being stupid/aggressive on the street. Many guys quit riding the street if they get really into track days or racing, for good reason. |
Baggermike
| | Posted on Friday, February 15, 2008 - 01:43 pm: |
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Yes I hope he will and he is care full when he rides, he also wants to get a communication system so we can talk when ridding together, then when following me I can point out scenarios and hazards as I see the them, I think it would be a good tool in teaching him to ride but are so expensive for a good ones. Mike |
Blazin_buell
| | Posted on Saturday, February 16, 2008 - 03:30 pm: |
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Fellows, hopefully I can have some answers by the middle of March or sooner. I haven't been to the strip since last Oct. I'm itching to try my hand with the 25r if nothing else but to humble some rice riders there. I used to run my wife's Monster, nothing's more fun than seeing the look on peoples faces as I roll through tech and up to the line on a Duc. Priceless!! As it has been stated those 60 ft. times are important. I've been able to hold my own until the last couple 100 ft. when they could catch me. Litre bikes much sooner but R6,ZX 6 and GSXR600 get spanked off the line. When we roll back to lineup they always want to know what year what size and what I've done to motor. Now picture the look when I tell'em it's my wife's 620. They shit themselves!
I've wanted to run my S-1, but not wanting to lower it and still take the chance of my ass eating asphalt doesn't seem worth it. The 25r seems like it would be a good racer falling in between these two. Smoother powerband than the S-1 and longer wheelbase with 3 times the power of the Duc. Take off light then hammer into it.
Now don't go looking everything up because of my comparisons of these 3 bikes because it's just my humble shadetree opinion. |
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