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Baggermike
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 11:40 am: | 
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Benm2 thanks that make thence to me now why I got those voltage readings, I also did not know that when the bike is hot it produces less power, also I see why the company wanted the rotor and stator. I am calling my dealer today to see if my bike is ready and to see if I can get a workshop manual which I will need to take the stator and rotor out and to put back in if nothing is wrong with the bike, I am hoping there is something wrong because it will save me money and time. Mike |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 01:06 pm: |
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On the XB9S and XB12S, when the high beam goes on, the low beam turns off. I think on the XB9R and XB12R (and probably your 1125R), the low beams stay on when the high beam goes on. Probably because the S and X bikes have a single enclosure for both bulbs, and heat becomes an issue.
Ben, exactly right. When the bike is starved for power, the shunt does little. Thats why I thought it would be interesting to tap power for the heated gear from the shunt path... it would "fail safe", so when the bike was hungry for power the heat would decrease, rather then draw down the battery.
When the bike is right, your gear will probably work fine, especially when you ride the bike at highway speeds. If not, a HID conversion would be the first coolest band-aid. If it were me, from there, I would investigate less heat (and more insulation), then trying to find a switching automotive regulator (if such a creature even exists). |
Baggermike
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 01:31 pm: |
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Reepicheep hid lights will not help the stock bulbs are 35 watts and hid's are 35 watts, but I did change the 5 watt running lights to led and getting an led tail light. I think the jacket liner is most important for me, it save on layering clothes so I can carry less and the jacket wraps up small so I can tour and carry the important things. I have a system, I carry a change of clothes and when one gets dirty I change then go to the laundry matt and wash them, now I use this time to go over the bike and make sure everything is right have dinner and make the next days plans all while the laundry is getting washed, plus allot of the riding specific clothes dry quick. I ride the mountains so weather can change quick and a sport bike can not carry allot so I have come up with this system to tour and be comfortable. Mike |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 02:29 pm: |
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Hmmm... I have not measured anything first hand, but my understanding matched this:
(from http://www.xenondepot.com/faq.php#q4 )
quote:Could I not just purchase a stronger watt halogen bulb to get a brighter light?
XENON HID lamps are 35 watts while traditional halogen bulbs are 55 watts. Even though XENON HID lamps draw less current, they produce 3 times the light output as the higher wattage halogen bulbs. Increasing the wattage will make the bulb a little brighter but still much dimmer that the XENON HID lamps. Also, AMPS = (BULB WATTS X 2) / BATTERY VOLTAGE OUTPUT (12). So as you increase the wattage on your bulb you increase the current draw on your entire electrical system. This is critical in motorcycle applications.
So every halogen headlight you replace sounds like it might net you 20 watts more margin. How many bulbs is the 1125R running normally? Two? Theres 40 watts. And with the high beams on? That could end up 80 watts...
(this is all second hand information though....)
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Baggermike
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 02:43 pm: |
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I think some guys have put h11 bulbs in place of the h8 bulbs the difference is the h8 are 35 watt and the h11 are 55 watt, the 1125 has all four bulbs on at high, now the ulysses I had had two 55 watt light one low and one high I replaced them with hid lights and is awesome, also much safer in the daytime to with the bright blue light and wired them up so they can be run with both lights on, also hid lights are not as hot at the same wattage, now those guys who put the h11 bulbs in might have a problem with plastic melting? not to mention more power to run, you can not do any better than getting an hid light system and there is one site that is selling two bulb kit for a little over 50.00 and I found a digital hid twin kit for 130 at www.starrotors.com and if you do not see them call it is 100 for regular hids and a 25 dollar upgrade to digital which has a smaller box and should be better light output because I read on another site that digital puts out 15% more light but those were 450.00 dollar digital kits. Mike |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 05:26 pm: |
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I see, so you already cranked up the lighting as well.
You are a power hungry man BaggerMike  |
Baggermike
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 05:44 pm: |
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No just a 100% motorcyclest, I do not have a car and I have a Buell blast I bought for my son on his 18th birthday in november so I could teach him to ride then he gets my ulysses and the blast will be my spare and winter bike or if he needs it he can have it as a spars so if any of the bike need to go to the shop then I still have transpertation, I need the bike to shop and what ever people do in there cars, my son does not like cars either, all though I tell him he should get his car license so he can rent a car and take girls out, and I just had to rescue him some how the spark plug wire came off and the bike did not run so I had to go fix the bike and just got back he has allot to learn. Mike |
Bobup
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 06:35 pm: |
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"...some how the spark plug wire came off... "
Mike that reminds me of my high school days. I had a Yamaha R5C350 (RD350 predicessor) in my senior year (1973), and some guys thought it would be "fun" to pull one plug wire off....boy were they surprised when it started up on one cylinder! I figure out right off what was "wrong" and plugged it back on. Those old two-stroke twins were fun!
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Baggermike
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 05, 2008 - 07:55 pm: |
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I think it just came off, he said it started running bad and he dumped the bike the other day, all though I rode the bike yesterday and was fine, it ran but was back firing and I thought it just needed to get some juice back in the battery to run good but did not help so started checking the wires and it was lying right beside the spark plug, so I do not know how it got like that but it is time to go over the bike again and do an oil change at the same time and make sure everything is tight. Mike |
Saintly
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 03:51 pm: |
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Maybe you guys can rig up something like this to power up your heated gear:
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Baggermike
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 04:08 pm: |
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I did think of something like this running off the drive sprocket, pully, or tires and would have to be small like what peddle bikes have for lights???? |
Ccryder
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 04:17 pm: |
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Saintly:
That will do it!!! Actually I proposed having a jack shaft off the idler pulley (might be a little cleaner).
We could just make our winter riding clothes out of Nomex and toss on a little kerosene every few miles and torch it to stay warm.
Who wants to be the "Crash Test Dummy"?????
Time2 get back to work.
Neil S. |
Baggermike
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 06, 2008 - 04:30 pm: |
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I really think I need to get a honda generator to tow behind me. LOL |
Bearly
| | Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 12:11 pm: |
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I think maybe the Widder system draws less power. I have the heated vest, arm chaps, gloves and leg chaps. I also have the heated grips. The only time I've see the low voltage is when I was idling before shutdown fiddling with reseting the trip miles before fueling.
I don' know about the different current draws between the different vests and heated gear, but it's worth a not. Also I believe that Widder is made in the USA.
You can find them at www.widder.com |
Baggermike
| | Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 12:40 pm: |
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Thanks Bearly, I have a first gear heated jacket liner and they make two a 90 watt and a 60 watt and I bought the 90 watt, I also have a vest that is 77 watts but is bulky and the jacket liner rolls up really small and saves space which is needed when I tour. I can not think about buying another jacket intell I know it is not a problem with the bike, if it is a problem then I do not need to do anything and the dealership will fix it, if it is not a problem I am thinking of sending the rotor and stator out to be redone. I do think it is the battery, but I do not have the bike to put the new battery in so I have to waite till I get it back to try the new battery and after doing this and it still does not work I got all the info on testing everything electrical to see if there is a problem, then from that point I will know if the bike just has a weak charging system or something wrong with it and then I think it would be cheaper to send the stator and rotor out than buy a new jacket liner. I think getting the stator rewond if it is a weak charging system is what I will do first. Mike |
Bearly
| | Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 01:06 pm: |
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Hey and you need the all the heat you can get riding up there! I haven't ridden below 18 degrees down in Northern VA. Hat's off to you. |
Baggermike
| | Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 01:54 pm: |
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I have got by without heated gear in my younger years but I am getting old, I want to sport tour and sometimes I just go out for a ride when it is really cold down near zero, like the people who jump in the ocean I think on new years day. but back in the early eighties I was commuting to work and had a really bad cold spell, it was down below zero like -5 to -10 for two weeks I had a yamaha xt 500 single kick start only and by the time I got done kicking it I was hot, but did have a problem with my hands freezing and when I got to work I would run them under water they hurt that bad. I was registering the 1125R when it was like 4 degrees last month and had to go on the hyway and my insurance agent screwed up and put 07 instead of 08 so I had to do the whole trip over again but was on my sons buell blast that heats my gear good, and the only problem was cold air hitting around my eyes, kind of got brain freeze. mike |
Baggermike
| | Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 02:06 pm: |
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Bearly I figured out you are using 100 to 120 watts with all you gear, my jacket is 90 watts and glove 30 watts so that is the same if not more. I think from the research I have done a bikes electrical system runs off the battery, the other two bikes I have heat me gear up really hot, I had to unplug the gloves just going around the block, but on the r it barely get warm so I think it is the battery, also had a bad voltage regulator and that can harm the battery, now when I get the bike back I will try a new battery and see if that is the problem. Mike |
Zac4mac
| | Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 03:20 pm: |
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Hope you get to the bottom of your issues Mike.
Today I was thanking the gods for my heated grips.
14 to 18 degrees for 20 minutes, middle 3 fingertips were cold on clutch hand, that's all.
Z |
Baggermike
| | Posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 - 04:55 pm: |
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Thanks Zack I am hoping to find out what problem is if any soon, called yesterday and they are working on it but do not know why it will not start, they are going by the book and they do not have one so it might take some time. I hope there is a problem because buell will take care of it, if not I think I am going to send my stator and rotor out to be reworked if it is a weak charging system. I just want to ride with all my lights on and heat my jacket and glove liners an extra 120 watts extra. I rode the ulysses the other day and had to unplug the gloves around the corner they were burning my hands, same with the buell blast, so it is just a matter of figuring out the bike and its capabilities. Mike |
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