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Jedipunk
| | Posted on Friday, January 18, 2008 - 10:23 pm: | 
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The only way to clear the codes is with a digital tech. |
Diablo1
| | Posted on Saturday, January 19, 2008 - 10:14 am: |
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I had my bike not start after sitting for 4 days. I then took it to the dealer, after charging it at 10 amps for 1 1/2 hour before it would start. They installed the CA cat muffler, and they tested the battery, said it needed a day on the trickle charger there, and that the voltage and load test on the battery was good after that. }
You shouldn't charge motor cycle batteries at greater than 1 amp. 10 amps is way too much current density for the plates. High current density destroys the batteries.} |
Buellerthanyou
| | Posted on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 06:41 pm: |
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Hey, y'all! Harley PN 65958-04 is the same battery as is used in '04 and later Sportsters. FYI...
HellBuelly J
"...step up the reactor power input three more points!"
Dr. Frank N. Buelly |
Bigblock
| | Posted on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 06:45 pm: |
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actually, look right in the 1125 R owners manual, it states that you can use a ten amp charger, and gives the time required for the measured voltage of the battery. |
Dragstang
| | Posted on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 07:37 pm: |
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i went in shenandoah harley/buell in staunton,va a few weeks ago to see the new 1125r. they said it was still in the back(shop). they had to order a new battery for it. it was a while before they got the new battery in. i wish i would have asked them what the problem was, with the old battery and why it took so long to get a new one.
randy |
Diablo1
| | Posted on Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 08:35 am: |
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actually, look right in the 1125 R owners manual, it states that you can use a ten amp charger, and gives the time required for the measured voltage of the battery.
I know of no lead acid battery manufacturer that recommends a charge rate more than C/10. For a 14 AH battery, that's 1.4 amps. If owners and dealers are routinely putting 10 amps through these batteries, I would expect folks to be replacing a LOT of batteries. If you don't believe me, read the literature that comes with any new motorcycle battery for filling and charging.} |
Spectrum
| | Posted on Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 10:04 am: |
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I know of no lead acid battery manufacturer that recommends a charge rate more than C/10. For a 14 AH battery, that's 1.4 amps. If owners and dealers are routinely putting 10 amps through these batteries, I would expect folks to be replacing a LOT of batteries.
Partially true but only part of the factors involved that effect battery life. The bottom line it's how deep and how often a battery runs through charge/discharge cycles that effect it's life span. A deep rapid charge or 2 will not significantly effect it's life. Routine or repeated deep cycles will most definitely reduce it's life. Here's a quote on the factors effecting battery life.
“Cycle life (number of cycles) of the battery is dependent on the depth of discharge in each cycle. The deeper the discharge is, the shorter the cycle life (smaller number of cycles), providing the same discharge current. The cycle life (number of cycles) of the battery is also related to such factors as the type of battery, charge method, ambient temperature and rest period between charge and discharge. Typical cycle-life characteristics of the battery differ by charge/discharge conditions ”
The bottom line is depth of discharge has more of detrimental effect on battery life than rapid charge. In other words rapid charging a moderately under charged battery a couple of times will have little effect on battery life. But deep discharge it a couple of times (run it all the way down) will have a much more dramatic effect on reducing battery life. |
Spectrum
| | Posted on Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 10:22 am: |
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Ted - Just to clarify I agree rapid charging a battery does have a detrimental effect on battery life. My point was simply that deep discharging a battery does more damage than a rapid charge. |
Zac4mac
| | Posted on Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 10:41 am: |
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Ted - that's true for standard lead acid batteries.
But is this even a lead acid battery?
12 AH and 200 CCA sounds like too high a power density for a lead acid.
Too high CCA for the 12 AH capacity... just wondering.
BTW, mine seems fine.
Starts quickly, no problems since 1k miles.
Usually put her on the tender when I pull into the garage.
Zack |
Jpfive
| | Posted on Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 11:32 am: |
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Zac,
I am pretty certain that the battery is a sealed lead/calcium type, probably the factory sealed version of Yuasa's YTX-14 - which is the battery used by the VROD.
Mine bled down in five days before I started using a tender. I am certain there is a low current drain of some type, but will just keep mine on a Tender until Buell has a better lead on the cause.
Jack |
Diablo1
| | Posted on Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 12:05 pm: |
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Sealed batteries are still lead acid using the glass mat to absorb the acid.
Spectrum, you are correct about deep discharge killing batteries too. |
Jpfive
| | Posted on Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 12:24 pm: |
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Yes, they are lead acid, generically. The alloy, though, is lead-antimony in most conventional batteries, and lead-calcium in higher rated and maintenance free batteries. AGM reduced maintenance batteries use the glass mat as the medium to pass ions, conventional batteries the liquid acid.
Jack |
Andella
| | Posted on Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 05:21 pm: |
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JPfive... was your battery full when it bled down? Mine was dead the second time I went to ride. I put it on a battery tender for two weeks (since the weather was lousy) took it out today with no problems and did not put the battery tender back on when I parked. Going to be another lousy week so I will have to see how long it lasts now that I know it should have been fully charged. |
Jpfive
| | Posted on Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 05:39 pm: |
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My battery was fully charged before it bled down. I put it on the battery tender to top it off, as I knew I would not be on it for a few days.
Jack |
Sheridan_bueller
| | Posted on Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 06:39 pm: |
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http://www.aerostich.com/catalog/US/Odyssey-Drycel ltrade-Battery-p-16976.html
Does anyone have any experience with the battery shown at the link above????
JJ |
Baggermike
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2008 - 12:24 pm: |
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I emailed odyssey and they wrote back and said the battery will not fit, go on www.apexbattery.com the carry all types of batteries plus odyssey batteries and there sizes, and have batteries that are cheaper then the odysseys batteries and will fit with more cca and more amp hours, but odyssey batteries are one of the best and am thinking my self of modifying the bike to accept one or buying a better battery that has more cca and amp hours, I was told that more amp hours would power my heated gear better. Mike |
Zac4mac
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2008 - 12:46 pm: |
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Mike - more Amp-Hours will give you a bigger tank.
But, you're still emptying it faster than you're filling it.
Essentially, having to continually recharge the battery, you have a fast, gas assist, electric bike...
You NEED a higher output alternator.
Once the shop manual gets out, get a rotor/stator kit and the physical dimensions of the motor where it mounts.
Then take that info and parts to an electric motor shop and have them rewire it for higher output, especially at lower rpms.
I find myself holding steady at around 3-4krpm.
Just running my grips and low beams, my Tender goes green in under 10 minutes.
Z |
Baggermike
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 30, 2008 - 01:28 pm: |
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Hi Zack I know I need to increase charging output, have you tried running your bike with the high beams on and heated grips to see if that works good that is an extra 105 watts and my jacket and gloves are 120 watts just 15 more than running the high beam and heated grips and would think the bike should be able to do that. I think the bike is not made to handle extra loads, the accessory outlet works good and shuts off when the battery get real low, I found a place that can rewire the stator but need the workshop manual to put it back together right, all I care about that it can use my heated jacket liner and gloves and I am fine, that cuts down the amount of clothing I need to tour with, the jacket liner can be rolled up really small, and the saddlebags I am getting are not that big so I need to think less is more. Mike |
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