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Ryker77
| Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 04:11 pm: |
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I keep waiting for a fiscally conservative, socially semi-libertarian, with strong streak of semi-isolationism. Ideally the candidate would have a PhD in Constitutional Law, come from a middle or working class family and have served honorably in the military (enlisted infantry if possible). It would be even better if he carried a copy of the Federalist Papers and the Constitution on his PDA, but left his bible in the privacy of his own home. Too much to ask? Bill Perhaps an educated Doctor who also has a degree in economics. RON PAUL |
Bill0351
| Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 04:16 pm: |
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Oh... Ryker77, Was it you who posted the Ron Paul link earlier? I read quite a bit about him as a result of someone's posts here on Badweb. Even though I don't agree with a lot of his particular positions, I ended up feeling a lot of respect for what the guy is trying to stand for. Bill |
Blake
| Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 11:36 pm: |
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"Ron Paul" sounds to much like "Ru Paul." Just knowing that I know that name causes me to cringe. My biggest problem with Ron Paul's policies are that if they had been in effect during the cold war, the Soviet Union would be running the planet right now. We absolutely need to engage in the international arena, both diplomatically as RP agrees, but also militarily and clandestinely as he opposes. What candidate is a theocrat? |
Court
| Posted on Monday, January 07, 2008 - 08:56 pm: |
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Pretty well sums up my position . . .
quote: "Am I the only guy in this country who's fed up with what's happening? Where the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming bloody murder. We've got a gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a cliff, we've got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can't even clean up after a hurricane much less build a hybrid car. But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, "Stay the course". Stay the course? You've got to be kidding. This is America, not the damned "Titanic". I'll give you a sound bite: "Throw all the bums out!" You might think I'm getting senile, that I've gone off my rocker, and maybe I have. But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country anymore. The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the guys in handcuffs. While we're fiddling in Iraq, the Middle East is burning and nobody seems to know what to do. And the press is waving 'pom-poms' instead of asking hard questions. That's not the promise of the "America" my parents and yours traveled across the ocean for. I've had enough. How about you? I'll go a step further. You can't call yourself a patriot if you're not outraged. This is a fight I'm ready and willing to have. The Biggest "C" is Crisis ! Leaders are made, not born. Leadership is forged in times of crisis. It's easy to sit there with your feet up on the desk and talk theory. Or send someone else's kids off to war when you've never seen a battlefield yourself. It's another thing to lead when your world comes tumbling down. On September 11, 2001, we needed a strong leader more than any other time in our history. We needed a steady hand to guide us out of the ashes. A Hell of a Mess. So here's where we stand. We're immersed in a bloody war with no plan for winning and no plan for leaving. We're running the biggest deficit in the history of the country. We're losing the manufacturing edge to Asia, while our once-great companies are getting slaughtered by health care costs. Gas prices are skyrocketing, and nobody in power has a coherent energy policy. Our schools are in trouble. Our borders are like sieves. The middle class is being squeezed every which way. These are times that cry out for leadership. But when you look around, you've got to ask: "Where have all the leaders gone?" Where are the curious, creative communicators? Where are the people of character, courage, conviction, omnipotence, and common sense? I may be a sucker for alliteration, but I think you get the point. Name me a leader who has a better idea for homeland security than making us take off our shoes in airports and throw away our shampoo? We've spent billions of dollars building a huge new bureaucracy, and all we know how to do is react to things that have already happened. Name me one leader who emerged from the crisis of Hurricane Katrina. Congress has yet to spend a single day evaluating the response to the hurricane, or demanding accountability for the decisions that were made in the crucial hours after the storm. Everyone's hunkering down, fingers crossed, hoping it doesn't happen again. Now, that's just crazy. Storms happen. Deal with it. Make a plan. Figure out what you're going to do the next time. Name me an industry leader who is thinking creatively about how we can restore our competitive edge in manufacturing. Who would have believed that there could ever be a time when "The Big Three" referred to Japanese car companies? How did this happen, and more important, what are we going to do about it? Name me a government leader who can articulate a plan for paying down the debt, or solving the energy crisis, or managing the health care problem. The silence is deafening. But these are the crises that are eating away at our country and milking the middle class dry. I have news for the gang in Congress. We didn't elect you to sit on your asses and do nothing and remain silent while our democracy is being hijacked and our greatness is being replaced with mediocrity. What is everybody so afraid of? That some bonehead on Fox News will call them a name? Give me a break. Why don't you guys show some spine for a change? Had Enough? Hey, I'm not trying to be the voice of gloom and doom here. I'm trying to light a fire. I'm speaking out because I have hope. I believe in America. In my lifetime I've had the privilege of living through some of America's greatest moments. I've also experienced some of our worst crises: the "Great Depression", "World War II", the "Korean War", the "Kennedy Assassination", the "Vietnam War", the 1970s oil crisis, and the struggles of recent years culminating with 9/11. If I've learned one thing, it's this: "You don't get anywhere by standing on the sidelines waiting for somebody else to take action. Whether it's building a better car or building a better future for our children, we all have a role to play. That's the challenge I'm raising in this book. It's a call to "Action" for people who, like me, believe in America. It's not too late, but it's getting pretty close. So let's shake off the crap and go to work. Let's tell 'em all we've had "enough." Excerpted from "Where Have All the Leaders Gone?". Copyright (c) 2007 by Lee Iacocca. All rights
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Buellinachinashop
| Posted on Monday, January 07, 2008 - 11:15 pm: |
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Any ideas who Clinton and Obama have in mind for running mates? Because they're going to be President. I wouldn't want to be the first woman or black man to be President, because there's always some nut bag who wants to be the "first" also. |
Blake
| Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 02:18 am: |
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Court, Run! |
Diablobrian
| Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 02:52 am: |
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The biggest problem with American politics is that anyone that does what's needed to get a nomination is fit for the job. We don't need career politicians that make more on their congressional pension than they made as active senators, we need citizen statesmen that take a sabbatical from their career in order to SERVE as representatives of their constituents. Too many politicians these days are in it for glory and self-aggrandizement. I know that my "representatives" have never dealt with my realities financially, physically, or otherwise. I vote, and I don't vote along any party line, but I do not believe that my elected representatives have my best interests at heart. They are far too busy taking care of the issues their friends and family are dealing with as well as those of wealthy supporters. I don't fit into any of those categories. That Iacocca excerpt voices a lot of my concerns, unfortunately those in charge have a vested interest in maintaining the status-quo. After all they are making huge profits with things the way they are |
Ryker77
| Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 08:10 am: |
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"We don't need career politicians that make more on their congressional pension than they made as active senators, we need citizen statesmen that take a sabbatical from their career in order to SERVE as representatives of their constituents. " Ron Paul gives back a portion of his Congressmen paycheck. Ron Paul also didn't allow his kids to use federal assistance to go to college. |
Ryker77
| Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 08:13 am: |
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"My biggest problem with Ron Paul's policies are that if they had been in effect during the cold war, the Soviet Union would be running the planet right now. We absolutely need to engage in the international arena, both diplomatically as RP agrees, but also militarily and clandestinely as he opposes. What candidate is a theocrat? " Many of the problems we have now are due from our involvement in other countries. Kosovo? we supported one side then later went to war againts that same side Sadaam? we once supported him etc etc etc All too often we support ($$$$$$$ of tax money) and then in a decade or so we must go to war to fix the problems we caused. |
Mikej
| Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 08:30 am: |
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" Because they're going to be President. " Who said so? You sound like it has already been decided. Lots of stuff is going on right now, and not directly in the political lime light. |
Aldaytona
| Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 08:32 am: |
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Osama, Obama, we have got to be the stupidest people on the planet at this time. We are locked in a life and death struggle with Islam and.................... I don't get it. History repeats itself and we are on the decline. You think not? The Romans didn't believe it either. |
Jlnance
| Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 09:40 am: |
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We don't need career politicians that make more on their congressional pension than they made as active senators, we need citizen statesmen that take a sabbatical from their career in order to SERVE as representatives of their constituents. We have that to some extent in the North Carolina legislature, the theory being it's a citizen legislature. I believe legislators are paid $40,000. When you consider that they have to have a place to live in Raleigh, and in the district they represent, that basically covers expenses. The practical effect of this is that only the rich can afford to be legislators. |
Bill0351
| Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 09:42 am: |
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What does "Osama, Obama" mean? Please tell me you didn't buy into any of those stupid e-mail forwards going around without at least checking into whether any of it is true. I'm not completely sold on any of the candidates, but insinuating that Barack Obama is some sort of Islamic terrorist is just plain moronic. Bill |
Court
| Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 10:06 am: |
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>>>but insinuating that Barack Obama is some sort of Islamic terrorist is just plain moronic. It is. I'm not a huge fan of his but the silliness in this campaign is without precedent. I'm getting a kick out of the folks who thin Hillary "has experience". For goodness sake, she was shepherded to NY where there was an available open seat in the Senate, her house, life and activities paid for by others. . . she pulled FBI files on her opponents and destroyed records. Her sole qualification is "wife of a former President?" There are indeed tough times. . . . Obama's Mother is from Kansas . . . sounds like a radical, eh? |
Glitch
| Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 10:11 am: |
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Her sole qualification is "wife of a former President?" Add carpetbagger... |
Jlnance
| Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 10:23 am: |
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Add carpetbagger. At least we are sending them in the right direction these days. |
Court
| Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 10:30 am: |
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It's really embarrassing living in NY and having her declare herself a "New Yorker". Here's a person who, in their entire lifetime, has never bought a house, paid for their own living quarters and has pretty much chowed down at the public trough. She was not particularly good as an attorney, would likely be disbarred for some of her behavior the last several years. I still laugh at when they took all the stuff from The White House when they left and then were shrewd enough to con the feds into paying to have it shipped back. Her and Bill scare me to death. It's a funny world when either of them can be called a "leader". She broke down crying yesterday like they said on New York radio today . . . "what's she gonna do when terrorists strike LA, wet herself?". She's a bought and paid for poli-tute. |
Mikej
| Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 11:17 am: |
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"wife of an impeached former President?" There, fixed it for ya. |
Ryker77
| Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 12:17 pm: |
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Don't forget that Clinton is a lawyer by trade. (ie lower than a snakes belly). recall something about the relestate investment scam??? Need to look that one up. Hilliary is married to the only ex-felon President. |
Bigdaddy
| Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 02:04 pm: |
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"At least we are sending them in the right direction these days." Isn't she a omni-directional carpetbagger? Illinois, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Arkansas, D.C., New York. Because it takes a freaking village (Message edited by bigdaddy on January 08, 2008) |
Blake
| Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 03:57 pm: |
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"Many of the problems we have now are due from our involvement in other countries." One might just as easily say that... Many of the problems we have avoided are due from our involvement in other countries. You know, like being squashed under the boot of expansionist communism? The enemies of freedom and justice are funny in that they don't often cooperate with those seeking to promote freedom and justice in the world. All evil needs to succeed is for good men to do nothing. I seems to me that what Ron Paul is advocating wrt our foreign policy is to do nothing. The freedom loving folks in Afghanistan, Iraq, S. Korea, Taiwan, Panama, Israel, El Salvador, Nicuragua, Poland and the entire Eastern Block of the former Soviet Union, France, Germany, Italy, Japan etc. might tend to disagree. |
Blake
| Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 04:02 pm: |
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To clarify, I'm not saying that your statement wasn't accurate, but I wonder what the consequences might have been had we not engaged internationally. Surely many of our foreign missions have indeed been beneficial, yes? |
Blake
| Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 04:09 pm: |
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I don't agree with Obama's politics at all, but I tend to find him honorable. At least he hasn't proved himself dishonorable yet. Romney with his slimy attack using a snippet of a quote supposedly from Condi Rice characterizing Huckaby's foreign policy experience as "ludicrous" proved to me his dishonor. I used to ignore that kind of miserableness and chalk it up to politics as usual, but I will never vote for anyone like that again. Having been the target of exactly the same kind of miserable personal hear-say smear attacks, I have a new and much more discerning perspective on them. |
Ironken
| Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 05:02 pm: |
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I believe that either Obama or Romni would make great leaders of this country if both of them were purged of their alien blood and it was replaced with fresh human blood...... |
Ryker77
| Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - 06:34 pm: |
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Surely many of our foreign missions have indeed been beneficial, yes? I'm a glass half empty type guy. So I can only think of the many that were not beneficial. Minus WWII. Iran, it’s not only that it has substantial resources and that it’s part of the world’s major energy system but it also defied the United States. The United States, as we know, overthrew the parliamentary government, installed a brutal tyrant, was helping him develop nuclear power, in fact the very same programs that are now considered a threat were being sponsored by the U.S. government, by Cheney, Wolfowitz, Kissinger, and others, in the 1970s, as long as the Shah was in power. But then the Iranians overthrew him, and they kept U.S. hostages for several hundred days. And the United States immediately turned to supporting Saddam Hussein and his war against Iran as a way of punishing Iran. Same type of actions in Kosovo. "That war was just for the US. Nobody in Europe wanted it. Sergii Kozlov, Ukraine " Success for Imperialism, and the propaganda of the ''independent'' Western mass media, but defeat for the UN, human rights, truth and finally of the human intelligence that so senselessly accepted the purposes proclaimed. It seems that history taught nothing to humanity Defkalion Tsagarakis, Greece I think that Nato's Kosovo campaign was a severe violation of sovereignty and a complete failure. It has greatly destabilised the region and has created great ethnic tensions. Since the Nato peacekeeping force moved in, the non-Albanian population has been submitted to violence and terror and as a result, many have fled. The USA is abusing its super-power status and is attacking any country that will not submit to its expansion across Europe either economically, or in Yugoslavia's case, militarily. If the USA does not change its current course of action then we will surely witness a huge arms race which will no doubt have dire consequences. Branko Tanaskovic, Australia The objective of this invasion was to destroy the only country in Europe with dignity, the only country that refuses to be a US colony. That's why every effort was made to undermine any peaceful solution, which's why the free part of Yugoslavia is still under US sanctions. And the list can go for long... Judging from this objective, the invasion was partly successful, though they failed to harm the Yugoslavian army and dignity they did destroy the country's infrastructure. Nicholas, US colony of Britain Vietnam was a failure. I don't agree with Obama's politics at all, but I tend to find him honorable. At least he hasn't proved himself dishonorable yet. Barack Obama: Caught reading during Petraeus testimony. During Gen. David Petraeus' testimony to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, the Illinois senator could be seen reading a memo from his campaign staff advising him to highlight his differences with Hillary Clinton. Not exactly a promising sign from the "candidate for change." Many of the problems we have avoided are due from our involvement in other countries. You know, like being squashed under the boot of expansionist communism? I don't recall that we did much pre-imptive attacks during that period of history? All we did is spend billions on the MIC. The enemies of freedom Freedom? Do we not have many laws in this nation. Example: Aftermarket parts and EPA rules, and justice are funny in that they don't often cooperate with those seeking to promote freedom and justice in the world. All evil needs to succeed is for good men to do nothing. evil people will always be a problem. The key is to not piss them off or give them motovation. How many times has Sweden or Denmark been attacked by radical Muslims? How many times has Canada, Cancun, Germany, been attacked by radical muslims? I seems to me that what Ron Paul is advocating wrt our foreign policy is to do nothing. Not true. Not at all. "Too often we give foreign aid and intervene on behalf of governments that are despised. Then, we become despised. Too often we have supported those who turn on us, like the Kosovars who aid Islamic terrorists, or the Afghan jihadists themselves, and their friend Osama bin Laden. We armed and trained them, and now we’re paying the price. At the same time, we must not isolate ourselves. The generosity of the American people has been felt around the globe. Many have thanked God for it, in many languages. Let us have a strong America, conducting open trade, travel, communication, and diplomacy with other nations. Both Jefferson and Washington warned us about entangling ourselves in the affairs of other nations. Today, we have troops in 130 countries. We are spread so thin that we have too few troops defending America. And now, there are new calls for a draft of our young men and women. We can continue to fund and fight no-win police actions around the globe, or we can refocus on securing America and bring the troops home. No war should ever be fought without a declaration of war voted upon by the Congress, as required by the Constitution. The freedom loving folks in Afghanistan, Iraq, ....etc. might tend to disagree. Most Iraqis Favor Immediate U.S. Pullout, Polls Show Leaders' Views Out of Step With Public By Amit R. Paley Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, September 27, 2006; A22 BAGHDAD, Sept. 26 -- A strong majority of Iraqis want U.S.-led military forces to immediately withdraw from the country, saying their swift departure would make Iraq more secure and decrease sectarian violence, according to new polls by the State Department and independent researchers. In Baghdad, for example, nearly three-quarters of residents polled said they would feel safer if U.S. and other foreign forces left Iraq, with 65 percent of those asked favoring an immediate pullout, according to State Department polling results obtained by The Washington Post. Another new poll, scheduled to be released on Wednesday by the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland, found that 71 percent of Iraqis questioned want the Iraqi government to ask foreign forces to depart within a year. By large margins, though, Iraqis believed that the U.S. government would refuse the request, with 77 percent of those polled saying the United States intends keep permanent military bases in the country.
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Court
| Posted on Thursday, January 17, 2008 - 09:42 pm: |
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quote:Electile Dysfunction: the inability to become aroused over any of the choices for president put forth by either party in the 2008 election year.
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