| Author | Message | ||
     Gschuette |
Well put Trojan. Baggermike, You do realize that MV, Ducati, KTM, the big four, pretty much every other motorcycle company has a water cooled bike with radiators. Many have multiple models that look quite sexy and retain complete functionality of the radiator. It really isn't hard to style a nice clean looking sportbike, even one with radiators! To those defending big ugly muffler welds I say this, It's in the details! Yes I have seen it up close and in person. The 1125 just doesn't seem to have much attention to detail with regards to styling. I still want one really bad I just don't see myself purchasing that over comparable sport twins. | ||
| 86129squids |
Hey Mike- pardon me for mentioning this, but I just can't avoid it any longer. Is it a habit, or could you refrain, from writing in run-on sentences, which become paragraphs, occasionally essays, in which you do tend to make good points, enjoyable reading overall, but the meanings and emphasis are hard to follow, when over and over again I encounter another comma, and then reading your comments feels like the Princess and Wesley falling down the hillside in Princess Bride, which is a GREAT movie for all to see, and a great example of storytelling, maybe not the best metaphor, maybe alphabet soup through a straw is how you write. Tell stories, please, my friend, but with improved grammar, if at all possible. "In order to teach, one must offend. In order to learn, one must be offended." (You'd tell me if I had a hanger dangling from my schnoz, wouldn't you?) | ||
| Baggermike |
Hey Squid, Thanks for the advise, I tend to get carried away when writing and will try harder next time I post to have proper grammar. I think I have had one to many head injuries and forget to slow down and write more carefully. By the way I love the way the 1125R looks. Did I write better? Mike | ||
| 86129squids |
We have drifted away from being a literate society. I wish I had time to read all the old sci-fi stuff and GROK it all- and revel in the language there- plus I used to love going to the used bookstore and rummaging through the "free" stuff outside. Not to highjack- I think I'll post this to Qboard- has anyone here had the pleasure of reading "Snow Crash" by +?+ is it Neal Stevenson? There's a great take on a future world, with an interesting motorscooter involved. My last name is esentially "H" of "HTFU"- kinda inspirational for the year 1999+9. Maybe I will. Bought an '05 XB9SX, on 9/11/04, currently showing over 16K miles, mostly through the Gap. "Just saw it in person"- done that on 7/6/07. Talked with Erik, Tony, et al, and basically geeked out. I was there ostensibly to witness the H-D stuff too- ended up being drawn to the next Buell tech session available. Rode it (actually several pre-prod units) on the track at Barber, 10/29/07: the first day of production. It was a joyous birthday, by all means. Led the first group of my fellow Buellers plus the first sold 1125R from Mur-Vil TN H-D/BUELL through the Dragon, 12/31/07. I am partisan, and a dealer employee. I believe this model will help redefine what a superbike {should} be. It is that impressive of a machine. I enjoy watching all the shenanigans, Buelligans. Ride your own ride, folks, and try to respect one another on the road and on these boards. | ||
| Blake |
"If nobody makes constructive criticism..." "Constructive" being the operative word. constructive: Serving to improve or advance; helpful: constructive criticism. Excerpted from The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language | ||
| Court |
Mike: You did great . . . no substitute for enthusiasm. You've got me looking at this 1125! Court | ||
| Baggermike |
Thanks guys, the bike is awesome and I only want to spread my wisdom and knowledge. That is a good thing right? and if I am doing something wrong I want to know and I will not be offended. Mike | ||
| Rocketman |
Criticism of any kind can be made constructive at the receiving end. Criticism has its fair purpose too. Perception on the other hand can be nonconstructive. Rocket | ||
| Hdbobwithabuell |
I just saw my first 1125 in person today. That is quite possibly the sweetest looking Buell to date! None of the pictures I've seen do it any justice. | ||
| Blake |
"Criticism of any kind can be made constructive at the receiving end." Those who must rely upon the recipient to pretend insult and derision are "constructive criticism" are simply rude and arrogant; they aren't thoughtful or constructive. | ||
| Rocketman |
I couldn't care less what the recipient thinks of my criticism. The idea is they act upon it to improve, no matter if they see criticism as constructive or insulting. Are we going to kick everything around? I'm beginning to think you're just being arrogant and argumentative for arguments sake. Rocket | ||
| Metalstorm |
I couldn't care less what the recipient thinks of my criticism. The idea is they act upon it to improve, no matter if they see criticism as constructive or insulting. The problem with that is that if the recipient doesn't perceive it as constructive criticism than everything being said is moot since they'll block it out. Ya gots to word it in a way that is acceptable by the recipient if you want your words to stick and have lasting meaning.  | ||
| Rocketman |
The problem with that is that if the recipient doesn't perceive it as constructive criticism than everything being said is moot since they'll block it out. Ya gots to word it in a way that is acceptable by the recipient if you want your words to stick and have lasting meaning. Why? That criticism is offered gently or harshly shouldn't make a difference to the recipient if they're wanting to act upon it to make a product better. If they can't see it as so, and it prevents them from using criticism constructively, no matter how harshly received, then they shan't benefit. That could have many a poor outcome somewhere down the line for a manufacturer of a product. Rocket | ||
| Bearly |
he doesn't get it. | ||
| Metalstorm |
Why? Because the recipient has to understand your message and it's intent. Constant bombardment is like trying to fix something with a hammer. You can hit it over and over again but it will never truly fix the problem. Over time it can break it further beyond all repair. I respectfully suggest that you lay down your hammer and try a different tool. Then perhaps you can fix that which you perceive to be broken. I've read many of your posts and your vocabulary skills are vast. Those are your tools. I'm sure you can figure out the right tool for the job as you have demonstrated great intelligence. | ||
| Gschuette |
I don't think that Rocket is being inconsiderate of other badweb users. I have noticed that most members are incredibly sensitive to any remote criticism of their bike. I do not really understand why. Criticism helps improve the breed. I was jumped on for complaining about fan noise on my XB and trying to find a fix. I love my truck but I think Chevy missed the mark a little on the I5 when they have the awesome I6 out there. The 5 is much rougher and has far less torque than the similar six. Amazing what one cylinder can do for an engine. I think had they just added a few inches to the platform during development the Colorado would be a Tacoma and Frontier beater. As it is now its just a run of the mill compact truck. BTW the Frontier and Tacoma are not my cup of tea styling wise. The Tacoma is one of the ugliest trucks created. All the criticism in the world couldn't help Toyota make a good looking vehicle. That bulbous Michelin man body, pink taillights, fake hood scoop, and incredibly odd interior ergos make for hard to justify purchase. I guess my point is that nothing is perfect. Criticism helps. I think Rocket (and myself) feel that criticism often falls on deaf ears around here for no good reason. I love my Buell but at the same time I want it to be the best motorcycle it can be. If I refrain from looking at my bike through rose colored glasses I can see that it does and have flaws and proceed to fix them. | ||
| Brad1445 |
Great post Gschuette ! A toast to a road of continuous improvement. Lets insure that the one only American Sport Bike Manufacture does not fade away. | ||
| Metalstorm |
I agree 100% that criticism helps improve the breed. That is an accurate statement. But what good does it do if it's rejected? A different approach is needed to get through or it doesn't inspire change. This current approach is having the effect on people that makes them stick their fingers in their ears and scream "I can't hear you". It makes them hold fast even harder. So you'all are working against yourselves. Savvy? Everyone is now sick of it. No one will now take any of it seriously. It has been rejected by those you wished to "enlighten". The hammer never works  | ||
| Blake |
This thread as with most others where naysayers demand we applaud their indignant naysaying, has gone nearly completely to shit. It is a waste of BadWeB server space and bandwidth. Like most here, I could sure do without the bogus non sequiters and over-generalizations by the indignant folk, comments like, "If all Buell ever receives is sterilized edited information they will never grow." Where is that happening? Answer: Nowhere. I could also do without so much "me, me, me, lookee me, me, me" nonesense. "I'm frankly shocked how defensive so many are about the looks of the 1125R." Then go to www.poormeI'mshocked.com and whine about it there. HTFU. In general discussion forum terms, that means avoid making any issue personal. That also means that once you state your harshly negative opinion, once is enough, no need to relentlessly continue posting it all over the forum in countless threads. HTFU. Matt, "I thought this was a Forum? " I'd clarify that BadWeB is a Buell enthusiasts' forum not an "indignant Buell critics' forum." Whatever we may say, Buell motorcycles sure do evoke a lot of passion. As Court has said, show me another brand where former owners remain so active on the brand enthusiasts' discussion forum. | ||
| Smoke |
every motorcyclist gets a vote on what bike represents the product they desire the most--------WITH THEIR WALLET!!!!! go out and vote. i'll be riding. tim | ||
| Trojan |
I'd clarify that BadWeB is a Buell enthusiasts' forum not an "indignant Buell critics' forum." I would agree if the criticisms were coming from people with no knowledge or experience of Buells. However.... Every Buell owner who has spent their hard earned cash on the company's products have the right to comment, complain or criticise those products. We (the customers) pay the wages of Erik and his staff from the top right down to the warehouse cleaner, so have more right than anyone to make suggestions/criticisms etc. Having spent around US$150,000 of our own hard earned money on Buells over the last 10 years (including racing) I beleiev that gives me the right to make complaints when I feel they are due. If this is not the case, and the factory believe that they are above the criticisms of owners, then maybe I'll consider spending my money elsewhere in future. Smoke is right, there are plenty of other bikes out there that are worth voting for ;) | ||
| Metalstorm |
Matt (may I call you Matt?) You are correct but you're not in the same boat. You have made thoughtful criticisms and left it at that, knowing that you have been heard. You handle yourself with tact. Then there are those who keep saying it over and over on every thread. It's like (I'm guessing) they're afraid that they're not being heard. But they are. Oh God how they have been heard. The very worse part is that I see threads started by members introducing their new bike to the world. Their brand new bike. Poor Joe Smo has just gotten this bike that he loves and he so happy and so excited that he shares it with us. Before there's even a handful of posts some one comes along and starts the whole criticism thing again. Why? Why there?? It is just so rude and disrespectful. It is like crashing a party just so you can pee in the punch bowl. This greatly saddens me. It saddens me that some people can care so little for their fellow man. For their fellow motorcyclists Well that's it for me. I'm taking my own advice and laying down my hammer. It's obviously not working. (Message edited by metalstorm on January 09, 2008) | ||
| Rocketman |
Seems to me Blake, all you're doing is standing up for Buell, no matter what. If anyone's banging on about the same topic, look no further than yourself. You are constantly bashing on about my apparent indignant behaviour, yet here you are in other threads taking on the arguments I've raised. At least my repetitive debating is related to the motorcycle. Your repetitive behaviour is of a more personal and slanderous nature towards a BadWeB member. That would be me. If you don't like the debates about the 1125, don't join in. Rocket | ||
| Blake |
Matt, If everyone offered the thoughtful criticism and debate that you do, I'd have absolutely no problem. If only that were the case. As always, my concern is not that BadWeBrs avoid criticizing Buell motorcycles or Buell Motorcycle Company; the exact opposite reflects my view actually. We VERY MUCH want to see thoughtful, constructive criticism! Anyone who says differently is sorely mistaken. My concern is for the ongoing integrity and decorum of BadWeB. Some may not see it; some are immune to it, but those of us who are not blessed with being blind or immune to it are very put-off by arrogant, harsh, insulting commentary concerning Buell motorcycles and/or Buell Motorcycle Company. One or twice, no big deal, but when the same bile is regurgitated time and again over so many different threads, it becomes a serious problem for the integrity of and decorum of the community here, our discussion forum devolves into petty personal miserableness. It very much puts folks off who just want to visit for some enjoyable thoughtful discussion about Buell motorcycles. Those are the folks we want to attract, not put-off. Some folks are as usual seeming to tell me that I shouldn't feel this way, that I and my fellow custodians shouldn't run BadWeB the way we see fit, that we should let the trolls and unthoughtful, arrogant types have their way. To them I say, go start your own Buell Motorcycle discussion forum/site and good luck with it. BadWeB is not a free speech zone for antagonistic Buell bashers. Period. BadWeB is a place for thoughtful and considerate Buell Enthusiasts to enjoy camaraderie, discussion, stories, and maybe even learn a thing or two. Anyone who's contributions here cause a rift in that need to either change their demeanor here or simply avoid contributing here. | ||
| Blake |
"Seems to me Blake, all you're doing is standing up for Buell, no matter what." Seems to me Sean, all you're doing is bashing Buell, no matter what. | ||
| Blake |
The core issue is that one of the above is acceptable on this Buell forum, and one is not. Capice? Of course neither is true. What I am doing is standing up for BadWeB, no matter what. I'm standing up for BadWeB's integrity, it's very reason for being. If folks don't like BadWeB policy, our reason for being, then they shouldn't be a part of it; they shouldn't be here; they should go to www.WhatIhateAboutBuell.com or www.WhyBuellsSuck.com. (Message edited by Blake on January 09, 2008) | ||
| Blake |
Matt, Something jumps out from your post above that I didn't comment on before. BadWeB is not any kind of representative for Buell Motorcycle Company. If ANYONE wants to express displeasure or criticism directly to the folks at Buell, they really ought to take pen and paper, put their thoughts in a letter, and send it to the folks in East Troy. My interest here is to have a nice place for Buell enthusiasts to convene online. If by chance some Buell professional folks stop by to read once in a while, that's a bonus. But it's not why we are here. So the thought that BadWeB should serve as a platform for disgruntled or upset folks to have their say to the factory is way off base. And anyway, for those who feel the need, we have a topic that we set up just for such "For the Factory" commentary. The factory folk may or may not see it, but it's there. | ||
| Blake |
Anyone else seen a production Buell 1125R in person? | ||
| Blake |
"If nobody makes constructive criticism..." "Constructive" being the operative word. constructive: Serving to improve or advance; helpful: constructive criticism. Excerpted from The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language | ||
| Metalstorm |
Anyone else seen a production Buell 1125R in person? Bigblock gave me permission to post pics that I took of his. He's lucky murder is illegal or I'd be riding that gorgeous beast of a bike right now! Just kidding Bigblock. You know I'd never do anything like that. I mean seriously, it's not like there's a pound of C4 hiding under your table behind the right stereo speaker or anything   Jealousy is a hard thing to live with  |
