| Author | Message | ||
     Court |
. . . . and heated grips! | ||
| Rocketman |
Dear Bigblock, I'm terribly sorry if my posts have upset your sensibilities. I confess, it's entirely my fault we got into this mess. I must apologise also for misinterpretting of your post. I was assuming, given all those motorcycles you have ridden, and you now a proud owner of a new Buell 1125r, that you obviously know your motorcycles well. In my defence I must have been somewhat confused because I thought when you made reference to the GSXR750 you were speaking specifically about a recent model and not one ten years vintage. I know the last time I looked, a 2005 up GSXR750 was a revered track machine. I just assumed you knew that given the GSXR750's cult track status and you knowing your motorcycles like the back of your hand. I hope you can see why I thought it so important to know the difference in year of GSXR750's given we both wouldn't want to misleading anyone into buying an 1125r only to find out they got waxed trying to beat one. So very important. Thanks for understanding.  Rocket | ||
| Blake |
"I hope you can see why I thought it so important to know the difference in year of GSXR750's given we both wouldn't want to misleading anyone into buying an 1125r only to find out they got waxed trying to beat one. " Anyone here looking to purchase a motorcycle so that they can beat another one? Anyone? Anyone have any idea how Rocketman seems to know that a GSXR750 would beat a Buell 1125R? How do you know this Sean? Please, do tell. | ||
| Rocketman |
Sorry Blake but it's not fair of you to ask me to engage in such conversation, when if I say something to your disliking you'll suspend my account. Any other way and I'm happy to put my neck in the noose. I'll debate aerodynamics and design constraints of the 1125r if you so wish. But not at the expense of being keel hauled off the BadWeB decks. Rocket | ||
| Dbird29 |
Self examination Rocket, self examination. | ||
| Blake |
Sean, How is it "not fair" to ask that you engage in respectful debate, meaning constructive and thoughtful debate, meaning without insult and derision, without implying others are liars and buffoons for instance? | ||
| Rocketman |
I believe the GSXR750 is a cult track motorcycle, renowned for out performing its big brother. Such is common knowledge. I believe the GSXR1000 is one of the fastest motorcycles in production today. I believe the R1 is one of the fastest motorcycles in production today. I believe the 1125r has pods containing radiators on the side because the chassis design and geometry does not allow for a conventional central mounted radiator in front of the engine. I would call this a design constraint. 1125r designers might not. Given the 1125r's unconventional styling, mainly caused by the side pods, I'd like that debate seeing as there is a division amongst Buell fans about the 1125r's appearance. And why shouldn't we have it? If my arrogance (sorry, theory) is correct, I don't believe for a moment Buell would have designed the 1125r this way had they have had a better option available. The point being, why can't Buell build a motorcycle that looks f**king stunning now they have an engine worthy of such. Every other manufacturer, even the once boring and staid BMW for example, are forging ahead with bold aggressive yet stunningly great looking motorcycles, and ones that are making it to market. So it's my belief Buell owe an explanation for their weird approach. Even more so given they once manufactured the most stunning looking naked motorcycle on the planet. So, what happened? I believe the Japanese big four manufacturers are amongst the worlds best motorcycle aerodynamicists, utilising 1:1 scale wind tunnels as an integral part of their two wheel design and technology. I don't believe I called anyone a liar. That is your interpretation of my disagreeing with comments raised by others. As for buffoons, I merely offered some might be seen as buffoons by others. I could include myself on either side of such a statement. However, I don't believe I am such, nor have placed myself in the position of looking, sounding or acting like a buffoon. You might not agree. I will not take it personally if you don't. Rocket | ||
| Bigblock |
Hi Rocket.  no need to fight. (yet I believe my new motorcycle is actually quite gorgeous, and in fact, everyone that has talked to me about it during the 300+ miles I have put on it in my spare time the last 3 days, has had nothing but high praise for the beauty of her. SO, your opinion is fine, you don't like the looks. Big deal. That doesn't change my opinion. So, Buell should explain to you why they built it like that? So, now BMC is held accountable to you? If you don't like it, don't buy one. The aero on this bike is really good. IMO. I don't believe they are advertising it as fully faired, maybe you just need to wait until spring, and they will have the object of YOUR desire in production. I may not like the looks of THAT bike. Big deal. | ||
| Bigblock |
A lady racer wrote an article for, I believe, Track Day Magazine. SHe rode the 1125 R at one of the inside pass days, along with another employee of said mag. She owns and races a Late model GSXR 750. She claimed it was race prepped and set -up exactly for her . I don't remember the year, and I can't find the link to the article, maybe someone can help . In her article she says that she lapped quicker on the 1125 then her fastest ever time on her racebike, or her fastest time of the day really pushing her racebike? (someone please find the linky to this article, I can't remember all the specifics) Anyways, she said something to the effect that she went faster on the Buell which wasn't set up for her at all, then on her well set-up gsxr 750 that she was pushing much harder. I wasn't there, but I did read it here somewhere... | ||
| Bigblock |
here...http://www.trackdaymag.com/i?a=123 riding the 1125 at 80%, ( her words) she bested her previous gixxer fastest lap by 3 seconds. ( I was wrong, though, she says her suspension is stock on her gix) | ||
| Blake |
I believe the 1125r has pods containing radiators on the side because the chassis design and geometry does not allow for a conventional central mounted radiator in front of the engine. I would call this a design constraint." The 1125R was designed from scratch as a whole, not from any existing chassis. An existing chassis concept of housing fuel in frame, yes, but not the overall geometry. Maybe you didn't know that. What do you imagine prevented Buell from lengthening the chassis or moving the engine aft a bit and putting the radiator in front? What do you imagine led Honda to place the RC51 (VTRSP2) radiators on the sides, much like the 1125R's? How does Aprilia, Ducati, and KTM manage to put the radiator in front of the engine? Maybe you've not noticed one of Buell's favorite sayings, "different in every sense"? What do you imagine prevents the existing 1125R chassis and engine and radiator configuration from being wrapped inside a full race fairing? You don't like the 1125R. You haven't ridden one but prefer to imagine that it is not in the same performance league with other sport bikes. We understand. Please move on. (Message edited by blake on December 17, 2007) | ||
| Blake |
I didn't say that you "called" anyone a liar. I said that you implied so. That is accurate. Anony answered your question and you then doubted the veracity of his answer. That is implying that he/she lied; it is disrespectful, arrogant and out of line. | ||
| Captpete |
Just this morning I was released from a couple-three months of solitary confinement. Well, sort of, my cell being an island, and the isolation being my loss of cyber connection to the rest of the world. And what do I discover? The Rocketman’s back in the game! How did that happen? A link, anyone? I’ve been missing some good fun. And missed out on some great info provided by both sides, being Rocket and the world at large. Welcome back, Sean. In the meantime, I’ve had a little fun of my own provided by the local constabulary. (Nothing related to the solitary confinement, thankfully.) I’ll post my account of the off-topic experience in the Tales section for those who might be interested it how they do it Guam. It was a hoot! Otherwise, Merry Christmas and good health to friends and foes alike. (Don’t call me a liar, Rocket. I was kiddin’ about the foes!) Capt. Pete | ||
| Rocketman |
The 1125R was designed from scratch as a whole, not from any existing chassis. An existing chassis concept of housing fuel in frame, yes, but not the overall geometry. Maybe you didn't know that. They lengthened it by 2.6 inches. What do you imagine prevented Buell from lengthening the chassis or moving the engine aft a bit and putting the radiator in front? Given the very short wheelbase of the original XB, I assume adding another 2.6 inches in wheelbase gave Buell enough of a headache without needing to add another inch or two to get a radiator in front of the engine, and risk loosing that 'no one else knows how Buell does it, steep steering angle' yet sublime handling. What do you imagine led Honda to place the RC51 (VTRSP2) radiators on the sides, much like the 1125R's? Honda did a great, no, make that fantastic job of it. You only need consider why the RC51 was brought about, and in a nutshell one can only conclude that Honda achieved every goal. It beat the Ducati's to WSB glory. It is still regarded as the most race focused production motorcycle the Japanese have sold as a street bike. It definitely has a charm that has gained a cult following, which by demand has kept production going despite it being well past its sell by date in performance terms. The RC51 has been a massive hit. How does Aprilia, Ducati, and KTM manage to put the radiator in front of the engine? By not using the Buell type chassis that clearly brings about design constraints of its own. Maybe you've not noticed one of Buell's favorite sayings, "different in every sense"? I love different just as much as anyone, but different is shite if it looks ugly as hell. KTM don't build an ugly motorcycle. Nor do Ducati. Buell is competing against these two manufacturers, and their designs are equally as 'different' as the mainstream. The 1125 is not in the same beauty pageant me thinks. What do you imagine prevents the existing 1125R chassis and engine and radiator configuration from being wrapped inside a full race fairing? Nothing. Why do you ask? You don't like the 1125R. You haven't ridden one but prefer to imagine that it is not in the same performance league with other sport bikes. I don't like the way the 1125 looks. I have ridden other performance bikes, read several not so favourable (some American) reviews of the 1125, and it's my belief it will not be able to compete head to head in performance with the current crop of superbikes. Please move on. Is this an order, instruction, warning, advice, sarcasm, or invitation to rise to your bait? Please don't confuse me. Either allow my debate, concerns, argument, whatever, or don't, but at least make it clear so as not to fool me into a false sense of security only to find I'm suspended from posting yet again when I say something that hurts the kool aid and the gang. I love dancing with the Captain  Rocket | ||
| Blake |
Hey Captain! Good to see you stop by and say hello. Have been wondering lately what you've been up to. Good to here they are finally taking measures to try to keep you under control.  Rocket promised to be nice, respect that BadWeB is a community for Buell enthusiasts, and thus avoid combative naysaying, so we welcomed him back. | ||
| Blake |
"They lengthened it by 2.6 inches." I can see the source of your confusion. Apparently you imagine that to comprise the extent of Buell's chassis design effort for the 1125R and that they were somehow constrained/limited to only that scope of chassis design. The simple truth is that the engineers at Buell started with a clean sheet and laid out the basic work-point geometry that they believed would produce the absolute best possible handling/performing motorcycle chassis, yes of course considering engine and front end geometry as a whole. Then they designed the parts, including the frame, to connect those idealized work points. Then they went out and tested and revised and tested and revised and so on. So your assumption is simply wrong. Have the balls for once to admit as much. You have stated that mounting the radiators to the sides must only result from limitations of chassis geometry, that anyone who cannot see that is a buffoon. Now you spout off lots of glory-speak on the RC51 and dodged the question, so I ask again: What do you imagine led Honda to place the RC51 (VTRSP2) radiators on the sides, much like the Buell 1125Rs? "KTM don't build an ugly motorcycle. Nor do Ducati. " That is your own personal opinion, just like your opinion that the 1125R is "ugly as shite." Many, including me, differ with your opinion on that. Many may agree. But it is just your opinion. Only an arrogant jackass would presume that his disrespectfully communicated personal opinions on such subjective issues warrant the attention of corporate leadership. Since you don't see any issue preventing a version of the 1125R fitted with a full racing fairing, do you also concede that a fully faired version could be accomplished in a very artful and appealing way? In that case then, neither the chassis, nor the side-mounted heat exchangers are an issue, are they? Do you find it valuable that hot air exiting the heat exchangers is ducted away from the rider to exit near the rear of the bike? Do you find the giant ungainly soup-can mufflers sticking off both sides of the RC51 (VTR-SP1) better looking than the sculpted cooling air duct nacelles of the 1125R? I sure don't. In my view, I feel that the Multistrada is indeed an ungainly ugly motorcycle. While I'd not characterize them as "ugly", KTM's origami-ish styling is goofy to me, not appealing to me at all; in fact looking at it is actually irritating to me. When I see it, I want to take a grinding wheel and a torch to it and remove all the goofy pointy hyper-ultra-faceting and restore order to the universe. Yech! Blake no like! But that is just me and my entirely humble opinion. I fully understand and accept how you and others might like the KTM and/or the Ducati designs. Regardless of my preferences, I sure do appreciate having more choices and more different looking sport bikes on the market. It is a truly wonderful time to be a sport bike rider and in the market for a new motorcycle. What I won't do is impose myself and my negative views upon the Ducati enthusiast forum or the KTM enthusiast discussion board declaring my opinions as truth while simultaneously deriding the excellent engineers and other folks who design and build those excellent Ducati and KTM motorcycles. I'd never ever go so far as to imply that they are liars just because I don't like an answer or clarification provided to one of my questions or statements. I don't understand people like you who do feel so compelled, thus the "move on" comment. That is to say, please move on from posting any more combative derision of the 1125R, Buell, or the folks who work for Buell. We get it. You don't like. But you are not willing to put a significant wager on that last part are you. That says a lot. It says that you don't really much believe what you are saying. What articles and observations of the Buell pre-production fleet indicate to you that the production Buell 1125R cannot compete with the likes of other motorcycles in its class? Maybe you missed the article where a GSXR750 rider on an ill-prepared (suspension wise) 1125R was lapping 3 seconds faster at Laguna Seca? What would that indicate? Do you only consider negative commentary on the new Buell or do you consider all of the reports. So if you are through railing against Buell and the 1125R, how about that photo documentary on your custom S1W? | ||
| Captpete |
Rocket promised to be nice, respect that BadWeB is a community for Buell enthusiasts, and thus avoid combative naysaying, Blake, in spite of all your posturing, you're a babe in the woods. You know damned well he's an habitual lier.  Seriously, I find the carte blanch available to some posters, which allows them to hurl personal attacks from behind the shield of anonymity with no fear of censure, much more offensive than anything that Rocket pens. MHO, of course. But to keep it all in perspective, I find none of it that offensive, although it does cause me to wonder about the lives of those who let this sort of thing twist them up so tightly. But I flunked philosophy 101, so what do I know about it? Glad you asked. I know I like this place in spite of its inherent faults. Capt. Pete | ||
| Rocketman |
Buell riders get fogged visors just as often as anyone. We just don't use that as an excuse if we get beat fair and square in a national level motorcycle race at Daytona. But then just a few hours ago in the 'French Buell XBRR ROCKS!' thread, you felt the need to remove my post into a subtopic you titled 'You're Polluting MY Thread? Go Away. We don't want you here', all because I pointed out a 1098S lapped Magny-Cours faster than the 'national series' winner on an XBRR. The same XBRR captured on video in the thread, and at the track it was being ridden on. Seems awfully relevant to me. But then it would wouldn't it, me being the troll that I am. So much for fogged visors, excuses, and getting beaten fair and square  Rocket | ||
| Spike |
Around here one could get the impression that big dorks wearing floppy gear are pre-installed on most R1s when they leave the dealership.  Sorry, couldn't resist. | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
what exactly is floppy gear ? is this something new... did i miss a new fad...or is this some kind of riding naked buell thing...lettin ur floppy gear hang out. | ||
| Rocketman |
Riding impressions? We've got what, 2 1/2 baby boomers here who were lucky (unfortunate for some, lol) enough to get their 1125's, and you want to compare \ swap notes? Jeez dudes, can't you just pick up the phone and talk to one another? At least then we BadWeBers can wait for the professional magazine test type words of wisdom. Please don't spoil the surprise, or bore us through Christmas. It's almost as bad as the billionth rerun on TV of Oliver bleedin' Twist  Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
DJ didn't set those lap times because he was the most aerodynamic, he set them because he was the best and had the biggest balls. That's the point Dave. There are sometimes mere seconds that make the difference between the TT winners and those in second, third or fourth, and so on. So whilst DJ was the greatest before his death, his time was bettered by John McGuiness this past couple of years. Without checking, I think it was 11 seconds between 1st and 2nd this year. After 4 laps and nigh on 150 miles of racing, one would expect that any advantage aerodynamics and less weight would allow would be more obvious. But I suppose one could argue if DJ were smaller and lighter he could have added another minute or two to his time. Either way, my point was his 6"2' and 200lbs frame didn't serve to slow him enough that the other greats could beat him. Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
The 1125R will not only hang straight line, I say it will best the liter bikes in the twisties since it should compete more heads up with the 600cc or GSX-R750 class motorcycles like the Firebolt. The smaller repli-racers produce better speeds in tight turns reducing lap times in the master bike competition. My only advice to the Open class faithful, take your prozac, the next few months is going to be tough on you. If such is true then Buell have done the impossible. I fear your comments, like others suggesting similar, are just giving Buell bigger boots to fill, and if they don't they're gonna look a little undermined. Rocket | ||
| Dbird29 |
"what exactly is floppy gear ? is this something new... did i miss a new fad...or is this some kind of riding naked buell thing...lettin ur floppy gear hang out" Built in goggles are hot.  | ||
| Doerman |
Riding impressions? We've got what, 2 1/2 baby boomers.... I think you need to be reminded again. This is a bulletin board for Buell enthusiasts. We are excited about Buell and the 1125R. It might only be you that does not enjoy the stories and tales we share amongst each other. So go to another thread if this one bothers you. Here's another little story to annoy you:  I stopped at the Hidden Valley restaurant on Angeles Forest hwy for lunch today. The guy that runs the place is always ripe with stories. Today I was extra lucky. Not only did I get great local stories, but he reached behind the bar and picked up his banjo and played "Jackhammer Blues" by Arlo Guthrie for me while I was eating my chili. And he was really good. Signed, Another Buell-eyed baby boomer | ||
| Kravfighter |
Buell enthusiasts rock! | ||
| Buellnewbie |
Arrrrgh.....why do folks keep going back to the argument of the 1125 being faster in the corners? Like I said before, I have no doubts that it would be faster through the twisties than a Jap liter bike with riders who have very similar skill sets. My argument stemmed directly from the original claim that an 1125 "smoked" an '06 R1. Personally, I could care less how fast the 1125 is in a straight line, but I don't like seeing people making claims that imply something that is simply not true. I love hitting corners as much as anyone on this board. I would have bought the 1125 if it wasn't so pricey. I settled for a used GSXR1000 because it gave me a good combination of brute power and good handling. The whole aerodynamics argument is very subjective. Unless someone on here is a computational aeronautical or fluid dynamics engineer, then I don't think one can claim that the 1125 is more aerodynamic than a Jap bike just because Buell implies it has somehow figured out how to make their bike so much more aerodynamic than any other sportbike. I guess the Japs don't bother with doing aerodynamic testing, huh? I've owned alot of bikes over the last 20 years and have found that I prefer to have the available torque of a 1000 compared to the high-strung nature of a 600 or 750. For that, I'm willing to compromise a bit on quickness of handling since 99% of my riding isn't on a racetrack or in the twisties of Deal's Gap. But when the occasion arises that I do want to go WOT on the interstate at 3 a.m., it's nice to have the power of a liter bike. And having that extra power when the girlfriend is on the back or to get out of the way of a lane-changing semi is nice also. Besides, a majority of people who purchase 600s and 750s are young folks who probably don't have the skill set to keep up with me through the twisties on my 1000 anyhow, so I've got the best of both worlds. There are some I could beat in the twisties on their 600s and 750s and there are some whom I could not. There are some I could beat through the twisties on their 1125 and there are some whom I could not. Just because someone owns an 1125 does NOT necessarily mean he could beat me through the twisties on my GSXR. Owning an 1125 does not all of a sudden make one an expert rider. And let's not forget that the 1125 IS a liter bike even though it may weigh a little less than a Jap liter bike. I'd be willing to bet that 99% of the people on this board (including myself) could not ride an 1125 or a GSXR1000 to it's full potential on a racetrack. If you can, then you should be racing with the likes of Nicky Hayden instead of posting on this board. But my wager still stands....anyone with an 1125 who thinks he can "smoke" my GSXR need only bring $500 and tell me when and where. And, no, I won't make this same wager in regard to who can go through the twisties faster, because that depends almost entirely on rider skill, and it's impossible to know the skill of another rider beforehand. The purpose of this bet is to disprove the notion that an 1125 is faster than a GSXR1000. Any takers? | ||
| Imonabuss |
Buellnewbie, This is an 1125R riding impressions message string, not one for you to pound your chest on regarding your used GSXR1000. I'm glad you enjoy it, but discussions of it have no place here, in my opinion. I just want to hear about the 1125R, since I have one on order and won't be getting it for a while. I can read a million riding impressions about GSXR's. I just don't see why you are trying to take so much bandwidth about it here. | ||
| Dbird29 |
Methinks someone is "compensating" for a size deficiency.  | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Buellnewbie, give it a rest. Enjoy your cookie cutter bike(s) and we will enjoy our Buells. | ||
| Xb984r |
Fresno,tell me why you would call Japanese sportbikes "cookie cutter"?I can tell all the Japanese sportbikes apart. | ||
| Cycleaddict |
yea !! Rocketman & Buellnewbie , you guy's make these threads interesting ! i'm think'n a lot of these "buell-aid" drinkers are really Harley riders 1st and Buell riders 2nd ! | ||
| Spatten1 |
I usually interpret the "cookie cutter" comments to be from people that have probably spent little or no time riding modern IL4s, or just want to "be different", whatever that really means. The Japanese 4s are great bikes and all have their own personalities and perform amazingly. This doesn't take away from Buells also being great bikes. While this is a Buell enthusiast site, I don't understand why it has to be an "everything else sucks" site too. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Fresno,tell me why you would call Japanese sportbikes "cookie cutter"?I can tell all the Japanese sportbikes apart. I can too, but only serious sportbike fans have that ability. "Cookie cutter" cause everyone and their mother rides a Jap bike. yea !! Rocketman & Buellnewbie , you guy's make these threads interesting ! i'm think'n a lot of these "buell-aid" drinkers are really Harley riders 1st and Buell riders 2nd ! Well, that's just plain stupid. I usually interpret the "cookie cutter" comments to be from people that have probably spent little or no time riding modern IL4s, or just want to "be different", whatever that really means. See above re "cookie cutter". Jap bikes are unmatched in performance for the buck. THere is no disputing that fact. There is a distinct reason why there are so many on the road today. That is precisely why I wouldn't be caught dead on one... Back on topic, please. Before this thread gets moved to the Backfire boneyard.... | ||
| Cycleaddict |
my point exactly !! too much enthusiasum can cause one to "wear" blinders . | ||
| Zac4mac |
Go get one. Ride it. Try and stay quiet about it. Good luck. Z | ||
| Fresnobuell |
What Cycleaddict? Your comment about the Harley riders 1st, Buell riders 2nd is trolling IMO. Sounds to me like you got some 1125r jealousy going on there. | ||
| Xb984r |
Most Buell riders do have the same personality as Harley riders,most love to have all Buell gear,loud exhuast,everything but Buell sucks.I could go on. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Most Buell riders do have the same personality as Harley riders,most love to have all Buell gear,loud exhuast,everything but Buell sucks.I could go on Really? Let me guess, you are one of the few Buell owners that doesn't have the Harley personality? That is ridiculous statement. | ||
| Rocketman |
BACK ON TOPIC They are pretty in the wild, aren't they? Today's excursion Sorry about the phone camera quality pic Asbjorn, the above comment tells me one of two things. Either there's nothing to write about, or those here with 1125's seem inept at filling this thread with the topic matter you and others are so craving. I've a better idea. Let's make the thread a little more interesting by discussing the so called riding merits of the 1125. At least we might get a good rappor going. Someone yesterday claimed the factory stock 1125 restricted to 116 BHP went nearly 170 MPH at the Daytona test. Am I to believe a half faired bike restricted to 116 RWHP could achieve such lofty heights? Now there's a riding impression worthy of conversation. I'll tell you this much. If the restricted 1125 is really that fast, you can forget ugly. Buell have got a marvel on their hands that everyone will want once the secret's out. What a pity it's not true, and even if it were, what a pity Buell couldn't make it look something special. For me though, the clue to the 1125's real top speed lies in the rubber foot pegs. Now there is a comfort zone all the fast granddads will want on their sports bikes  Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
Go get one. Ride it. Try and stay quiet about it. Ah, I get it. It's a game. Obviously the few 1125 owners around here are finding it not too difficult to play. No wonder they're not so vocal about their new bikes! Rocket | ||
| Zac4mac |
said it before FOAD troll. Z | ||
| Rocketman |
Why? Are you unable to debate the merits of such a high performance motorcycle, or you just think f*ck it, it's a Buell and that's all that counts? Rocket effing off and dying - of laughter | ||
| Zac4mac |
whatever troll I've got mine and she's half-way broke-in. Enjoy your world. Z (Message edited by zac4mac on December 22, 2007) | ||
| Captpete |
You guys need to cut Rocket a little slack. The boy’s suffering – big time. He wants one so badly he can taste it; e’s drooling all over the keyboard. But like so many of us, for one reason or another, he can’t swing it. And it’s eating him alive from the inside out like a raging cancer. He’s living in unbearable pain, and the only way he can ease it is to try to convince himself that it’s not real. Please; have a little empathy for his suffering. Capt. Sigmund | ||
| Rocketman |
Capt S Fraud, here's why........  Faster than any other sports car ever made. No other sports car is as aerodynamic. Fastest lap ever around Daytona, and that was with restrictors! Outright winner of French Pro Sports Car Series. Need this Troll go on Hey Capt, was out on the Sea Ranger a few weeks back. Surrounded by Minky Whales. And we caught about 100 Mackerel in a couple of hours between four of us. Mind you, Mackerel is easy when you're on 'em. Got a few Cod too, and the odd Whiting amongst others. Nice day out. Rocket | ||
| Zac4mac |
Gee, I'm sorry. Peace Rocket  Z | ||
| Packdog |
Oh neat Rocket, my mom has a black Miata too. | ||
| Captpete |
Man, please… I stick my neck out to try to help ease your suffering, and you treat me this way?: Hey Capt, was out on the Sea Ranger a few weeks back. Surrounded by Minky Whales. And we caught about 100 Mackerel in a couple of hours between four of us. Mind you, Mackerel is easy when you're on 'em. Got a few Cod too, and the odd Whiting amongst others. Nice day out. Talk about kickin’ a guy when he’s down! That’s more meat than I’ve caught since I got out here. But of course, you knew that. Trolling for the mackerel and bottom fishing for the cod & whiting? BTW, is that the old junker you used to live in back in the day? (Off topic, but it gives the flames a chance to cool down.) | ||
| Captpete |
Or not.  (Message edited by captpete on December 22, 2007) | ||
| Doerman |
Rocket you are repeating yourself. You think the 1125R is ugly. So please, go all in and buy an banner ad from Blake (add in a pic of the TVR as well).That way you will be able to proclaim you message ALL the time on top of ALL threads. It's only $1.96/day (IIRC). Again, this is a Buell enthusiast board. You have insinuated that most of the enthusiasts here are baby boomers and Harley enthusiasts in disguise. Let me share with you NHSTA statistics from 2006 stating that the median age of a GSXR buyer was 41 and the median age of a Harley buyer was 46 for the same year. Just so you know a tad bit of background on buyers. There were no reference to age medians regarding Buell buyers. However, if you were to hang around a Buell crowd here in the US you would find the most eclectic collection of individuals and a wide spread in age. I offer you this information at this point because you seem to have a stereotype in mind when you are talking (down) to us and US. Also, please keep in mind. The title of this thread is "riding impressions". I interpret that to mean impressions by us that have taken delivery and ride them. If you want, you can start a thread that discusses and debates the vicissitudes of the competitiveness of this bike vis a vis other supersport bikes. I won't be participating in that thread because I have very little concrete information to offer (as I suspect you do as well). It would be a speculation thread. But I do have a clue as to how it feels to ride one and I am glad to share that with those that care, and I get your point. You don't care. Cheers Asbjorn (Message edited by doerman on December 22, 2007) | ||
| Spatten1 |
Most Buell riders do have the same personality as Harley riders,most love to have all Buell gear,loud exhuast,everything but Buell sucks.I could go on. I thought the same until meeting the Denver Buell group. There are some very good riders with track and multi-brand experience, and speeds are as quick as they should be on the street. I've been impressed. We have one guy with an XB and a Road King....and an RC51 as well as a ZX10R. I must admit, though, it ain't a bunch of spring chickens. A few in the twenties and one teen, the rest 30s, 40s, and 50s. Probably why the 1125 was designed in the first place. Get the younger crowd loyal and sell bigger numbers as they get older. Good job Buell! | ||
| Imonabuss |
Geez, Blake, can you please just set any post from Rocketman to go to Blatherings? I hate having threads mucked up with his self proclaimed bravado. "wrung the teats right off a Ducati". In your dreams, Rocketman, in your wildest dreams. Squeeze that crotch throttle a little harder. | ||
| Court |
>>>Squeeze that crotch throttle a little harder. That's funny. I've, with many demands on my time lately, simply stopped reading them. The good news is that you could toss me ANY topic from global warming to exhaust heat and I could, without looking, pen the "blatherer's view". It's what happens when then snynapses in the medulla begin to detach . . . | ||
| Rocketman |
Again, this is a Buell enthusiast board. I'm very enthusiastic about my S1W, now I've made it better than the factory ever did. You have insinuated that most of the enthusiasts here are baby boomers and Harley enthusiasts in disguise. I made one comment in jest yesterday. The joke being that only two an a half baby boomers, who'd got their 1125's, were contributing to this thread. In other words, I've contributed to it in an effort to liven it up, otherwise many would have died of boredom. As for the Harley rider stereotyping thing. You're confusing me with someone else, or that's your perception you imagine I have, as I've never suggested such a thing at all. So, no need to share any stats thanks. And I've ridden with a few Buellers in Colorado a couple of times, so yes, I know what an eclectic bunch Buellers are. It might surprise you, I find the same is true in the UK. We're all weirdo's. Also, please keep in mind. The title of this thread is "riding impressions". I interpret that to mean impressions by us that have taken delivery and ride them. If you want, you can start a thread that discusses and debates the vicissitudes of the competitiveness of this bike vis a vis other supersport bikes. I won't be participating in that thread because I have very little concrete information to offer (as I suspect you do as well). It would be a speculation thread. But I do have a clue as to how it feels to ride one and I am glad to share that with those that care, and I get your point. You don't care. Actually I do care, thank you very much. I care that Buell are on the verge of giving me the performance I've been asking for for years, but I care that they put it in a bike that's competitive in style, looks, design, appearance, whatever, that equals, betters, delights just as much as a Brutale, Monster, TNT, Corsaro, Super Duke, Bimota, Speed Triple and the stunning BUELL S1W LIGHTNING, but even a blind man can tell you Buell missed that boat. So yeah, I care that Buell outside of America and the patriotic buy anything made in America die hard crowd, have shot themselves in the foot where us European style icons are concerned. Clearly, you don't get my point. We don't do ugly over here And what the hell does 'vicissitudes' mean? Cheers Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
I find it funny that we can all sit around the car park at the Wednesday night or Sunday afternoon bike meet and boast about how fast we and our bikes are over a cup of coffee, to everyones delight and rapturous laughter. How our riding friends back up our wild antics and share in the delights and moments of two wheeling madness. But it's even funnier when we come to the Internet, and all of a sudden those that dare to even hint of such two wheeled fun are branded stupid and incapable by the upright and self righteous. Get off your high horses you pompous motorcycle bores. You're no better than me. Whoever you are, you're just another bike fan, just like me. The only difference is, you think the Internet cuts you some kind of superiority when pointing the finger at other people who aren't afraid to admit they're great at riding a bike. Big deal. I never said I was better than anyone else, which is really what your own self righteous comments are about. Now who's the blatherer? Rocket | ||
| Andrewwegbert |
Main Entry: vi·cis·si·tude Pronunciation: v&-'si-s&-"tüd, vI-, -"tyüd Function: noun Etymology: Middle French, from Latin vicissitudo, from vicissim in turn, from vicis change, alternation -- more at WEEK Date: circa 1576 1 a : the quality or state of being changeable : MUTABILITY b : natural change or mutation visible in nature or in human affairs 2 a : a favorable or unfavorable event or situation that occurs by chance : a fluctuation of state or condition <the> b : a difficulty or hardship attendant on a way of life, a career, or a course of action and usually beyond one's control c : alternating change : SUCCESSION | ||
| Rocketman |
Thanks, but the pocket size 'Collins Gem' new edition for the 21st century is suffice. Vicissitudes: changes in fortune. If you want, you can start a thread that discusses and debates the  changes in fortune of the competitiveness of this bike vis a vis other supersport bikes. Another example of Internet superiority? I hope not  Rocket | ||
| Gregtonn |
Quote from the TVR North America website. "TVR is a low volume British sports car. Road & Track magazine once called the TVR "a truculent Troll, a ferret with an oversupply of Y chromosomes". That's a pretty good description of a TVR." Hmmm...seems a familiar description. Could it be...??? | ||
| Buellnewbie |
"Methinks someone is "compensating" for a size deficiency" Does this also mean that buyers of an 1125 are compensating for a size deficiency even more, since it has 125cc more than a GSXR1000? | ||
| Buellnewbie |
And I still haven't received any offers on my wager.....I wonder why that is? Could it be because everyone on here knows the truth, but just doesn't want to fess up to it since it would mean that the 1125 isn't all it's cracked up to be? If Buell wanted to make a bike strictly for cornering, they already had one....the XB. They spent all that time and money to put a brand new engine in their fantastic chassis because Buell owners were screaming for more power and they still can't keep up with the competition, even with 125cc more. Enjoy your 1125, and I'll enjoy my GSXR, and congratulations to everyone who has one, but don't start spouting off about how the 1125 can "smoke" a late model Jap liter bike. And for everyone on here who says they don't care about raw power and straight line speed, then why did you buy an 1125? Why not just stick with the XB? I highly doubt anyone on here bought an 1125 on looks alone, because, frankly, that's a pretty lame reason to spend 12k on a bike. | ||
| Dalton_gang |
"And I still haven't received any offers on my wager.....I wonder why that is?" Maybe it`s because no one here in this thread gives a crap about your ill attempt to be a "big shot" and will go on having fun with their new 1125r regardless of what you & Rocket have to say. | ||
| Old_man |
You should be on the Yamaha riders site. This site is for Buell riders. We all could have bought Yamahas. They cost less. I've owned several. I think they are a very good motorcycle. But we like Buells, regardless of the comparitive merits. Leave us in peace. | ||
| Concor |
Just this morning i smoked a GSXR 1000 and a 1098s on my buddies Blast, it was unbelievable but im quite skilled on a bike.I would tell you all about it by im going to go on Yamaha and Ducati forums so i can troll around and slam all of there bikes that ive never actually ridden. Merry Christmas! | ||
| Rocketman |
Why go over there and slam them. Plenty do it here all of the time. Hell, you'd think this place was a Buell dedicated forum or something Rocket | ||
| Court |
The 1125r is an excellent motorcycle that benefited from the input of some very talented people. | ||
| Zac4mac |
I guess a thread about what they actually ride like, production models that is, is a perfect troll magnet. Got no riding in today, but de-iced the drive, so I'll get out tomorrow. Winter's here, but looks clear for a few days. Cold is OK, ice isn't. Almost a whole page to throw up top Blake. Gotta get done with this beak-in period. | ||
| Captpete |
I've, with many demands on my time lately, simply stopped reading them. Hasn't kept you out of the fray, though. From the same post: It's what happens when then snynapses in the medulla begin to detach . . . "I'm out. No, wait... I'm in." You gotta admit, Court, the boy's got talent. Understand I'm not being judgmental, just entertained.  | ||
| Rocketman |
Thank you Teach. I appreciate the sentiment  Enjoy your 1125. I'm looking forward to my test ride, except when they finally arrive here Britain will be gripped by winter too. Rocket | ||
| Brad1445 |
FYI Rocketman. I too can tell you are a true fan of bikes. There is good and bad in every design and it's fun to talk about the pros and cons of each as bikes evolve over time. If you look at my stable I purposely diversify them to try and cover as much ground as possible in the endless possible combinations. The most overall competent bikes seem to be the ST's like the Triumph sprints, they are also the bikes with the least personality and excitement. I look forward to trying the 112R just as soon as the dealer allows. Judging from all my past Buell's great handling and Ducati's high revving twin, I have no doubts its a great ride. | ||
| Dentguy |
Rocketman said...I find it funny that we can all sit around the car park at the Wednesday night or Sunday afternoon bike meet and boast about how fast we and our bikes are over a cup of coffee, to everyones delight and rapturous laughter. How our riding friends back up our wild antics and share in the delights and moments of two wheeling madness. But it's even funnier when we come to the Internet, and all of a sudden those that dare to even hint of such two wheeled fun are branded stupid and incapable by the upright and self righteous. He does make a good point. Now lets get back to the riding impressions. (Message edited by dentguy on December 22, 2007) | ||
| Rocketman |
Thank you too Brad. It pleases me no end that people can understand my blatherings as if they were sat across the table in a pub. Just last night in the pub I was complimented by a bloke in a wheelchair who loved his bikes. I didn't ask why he was confined to his chair, but we talked for an hour or more about bikes and cars. Showed him some pic's of the Buell and 916, and the TVR, that I have on my phone. He drives a Toyota Supra twin turbo. No doubt, that's amazing given he gets around in a chair. I tell ya, the band, Sticky Finger, were loud, old, and out of fashion, in the Sun Inn. The blathering around the blazing fire in the Mariners Arms, until gone 2 this morning, was infinitely more entertaining than the band, and great. I was in the company of a friend of a friend who was home for Christmas. Glenn lives and works in North Carolina doing aircraft design stuff. Ten years living in the US, we had a lot to talk about. I especially enjoyed telling him the story of me riding Doug's Busa up near Boulder and surrounding. No matter how hard I tried I just couldn't get that thing past 165mph indicated. For those interested, I'm not afraid to say I really really rung that Busas neck. Squid like is the appropriate term I believe? Rocket |
