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     Rocketman |
The 1125 is destined to take the world by storm then. If the 1125 is as good as the Buell blinkered want everyone to believe, love or hate the looks, the best kept secret in motorcycling is about to be unleashed on an unsuspecting world. Be quick though coz they're gonna sell out faster than Buell can make them, despite the weird styling. Or I'm talking utter crap? Yamaha has released its 4th generation Supersport flagship motorcycle, the YZF-R1, or simply the R1 to those in the know. Point-to-point, the R1 has been one of the quickest sports bikes on the market, often bestowed with a power-to-weight ratio that would scare off a lot of riders And for 2006, the new model gets even more power from it's 5-valve-per-cylinder 998cc petrol engine and an even better handling chassis for 2006. Yamaha is confident that these changes, along with some body styling revisions, will make sure that its legendary machine maintains it's position as the most exciting and desirable 1000cc supersport machine on the market. The 2006 model R1 is also available in a special colour to celebrate Yamaha's 50th Anniversary. Yamaha explains that the 'Extreme Yellow' machine was inspired by the livery of the legendary World Championship winning bikes that dominated the 500cc Road Racing Championships back in 1978, 1979 and 1980. For 2006 Yamaha says that it has focussed R1 development on increased engine and cornering performance and to achieve this goal, Yamaha’s engineers have boosted power by maximising intake and exhaust efficiency and optimised the frame balance by altering the main frame and lengthening the swingarm (connects the rear wheel to the frame). The new R1 maintains the same liquid-cooled 4-stroke, dual overhead camshaft, 40-degree forward-inclined, 4-cylinder and 5-valve fuel injected engine format. But taking last years engine as a base, the company has designed a new combustion chamber, installed new high-lift cams while a 12.4:1 compression ratio has increased intake/exhaust efficiency for a significant boost in power output. A smoother intake port shape has also increased intake air volume. Max power has been raised by 3hp to 175hp at the same rpm level of 12,500rpm (or 183hp with ram air effect). This equates to about 130kW - or 136kW with ram air effect, which is significant when you consider the bike weighs just 173kg dry (dry = no fluids, such as oil, petrol, brake fluid etc). Yamaha hasn't released any specific 0-100km/h times, but the 2006 R1 is expected to reach 100km/h from standstill in about 2.8 seconds. In addition to the wild 1.0-litre engine, another of the R1's entrenched components return: the Deltabox V frame. For the 4th generation R1, explains Yamaha, the frame has been further revised to achieve optimum rigidity balance for improved handling, developed using structural analysis and repeated testing based on the same concept as the MotoGP competition model YZR-M1. Yamaha has revealed that the upper portion of the main frame, the engine mount bracket and rear arm bracket specs have been changed to optimise connection rigidity, while the rigidity and shape of the under-bracket for the front fork and the rigidity balance of the fork's outer tube have also been revised. The combined effect of these changes is to provide the ideal balance for improved cornering performance. These updates also contribute to gentler acceleration/deceleration characteristics for excellent secondary steering qualities. The upside down aluminium swingarm maintains the same controlled fill structure but is 16mm longer than the previous R1 generation. Yamaha explains that the resulting increase in distance between the pivot and the rear axle contributes to reduced interference to the chassis resulting from chain tension during cornering while also providing a good rigidity balance for increased traction. The longer rear arm also increases the chain adjustment range and the selection of tyre specs that can be used. Engine •Short-stroke 998cc DOHC, 20-valve, liquid-cooled inline 4-cylinder engine now produces 183 horsepower (with Ram-Air) @ 12,500rpm. • Dual-valve fuel injection system uses motor-driven secondary throttle valves and 32-bit ECU for super-responsive, instantaneous power delivery. • Two-piece ergonomically designed fuel tank carries fuel in the rear section, for good centralisation of mass, while the front half contains a Ram-Air-fed airbox for increased power. • Lay-down design cylinder head—40 degrees forward— optimises weight distribution, straightens intake tracts for improved cylinder filling, and allows frame to pass over instead of around the engine for great strength and a narrow chassis. • Closed-deck cylinder block increases strength and allows a narrow engine in spite of big, 77mm bores. • Narrow-angle 5-valve combustion chambers produce a highly efficient 12.4:1 compression ratio. Big valves and high-lift cams flow plenty of air. • Carburized connecting rods with fractured big ends produce a quick-revving engine with excellent high-rpm durability. • High silicon-content ceramic-composite cylinder sleeves ensure great heat dissipation for consistent power delivery and reduced friction. • Strong, yet lightweight clutch and close-ratio six-speed gearbox with triangulated shaft layout for great strength, compactness, and quicker acceleration. • Titanium underseat exhaust system (with stainless steel midpipe and catalyst) contains a titanium EXUP valve for a broad, seamless powerband. • High-efficiency curved radiator and an aluminium liquid-cooled oil cooler maintain stable operating temperature. • Direct ignition coils, dual-electrode spark plugs and high output magneto deliver extremely accurate, reliable firing. • AC generator behind cylinder block produces a narrow engine with excellent cornering clearance. Chassis Overall frame width of only 396mm produces comfortable ergonomics as well as efficient aerodynamic penetration. • Controlled Fill die cast, detachable aluminium subframe is light, strong and allows easy rear shock access. • Dual 320mm front disc brakes; light/strong, forged one-piece radial-mount calipers and Brembo radial-pump front master cylinder with adjustable lever delivers amazing braking power and controllability. • Fully adjustable KYB inverted telescopic front fork with 43mm tubes provides 120mm of travel. • Piggyback rear shock gives 130mm of wheel travel, full adjustability and a lightweight, accessible aluminium preload adjustment collar. • Light, five-spoke wheels enhance acceleration, deceleration, handling and suspension action. Additional Features: • Two multi-reflector and two projector beam headlights provide great illumination and distinctive style. • Adjustable LCD illumination and multi-function digital gauges: adjustable shift light, odometer, dual tripmeters, water temperature, air temperature, full-time clock, lap timer and large 15,000 rpm analog tachometer. • Aggressive bodywork with twin Ram-Air intakes for increased engine performance. • LED taillight is light, bright and highly efficient. • Sticky 120/70-ZR17 and 190/50-ZR17 radial tyres for incredible grip and precise handling. • Forged footpegs are extra durable and light. • Extensive use of hollow bolts and lightweight fasteners helps trim overall weight. • 8.2 AH battery is compact and light. • Durable #530 O-ring–sealed drive chain. • Standard toolkit located in convenient storage compartment under passenger seat. All hail the old R1, for it is dead. All hail the new 1125R Buell, for it is the new king of the roads.  Rocket | ||
| Igneroid |
Hey Rocket. Your goin stoopid on me again...wise up. You are a formidable opponent when you use your head.....but every once in a while , you just go stupid(read your above post again). If you cant figure it out, you are as blinded as the Buell blinkered you speak of so affectionatly......I anxiously await your intelligent responses to these arguements..... | ||
| Buellerandy |
I think everyone needs to go have a  | ||
| Dalton_gang |
When will the stupidity and jealousy stop? Just shut up! I don`t think you will ever be happy as long as there is anyone alive who likes the 1125r. Hey Rocket, I`m talking to you!!!!!!  | ||
| Metalstorm |
When will the stupidity and jealousy stop? I can only speak for myself when I say the jealousy ain't gonna stop until I have one of my own  | ||
| Spatten1 |
+1 | ||
| Sethbuchbinder |
Hey Rocket, Just curious, since this is the riding impressions thread, what are your impressions from your ride on the 1125R? Oh thats rite, you have yet to ride one! In that case don't bother, were not really interested in your impression/general opinion of a bike you haven't ridden and probably wont ever ride since your too busy yapping on the internet about your S1 this and Ducati that. Just save it. And don't bother asking. Yes, I have ridden 1125Rs on the track at inside pass and on the street at Liberty as well as every Buell made from the S2 forward. Not to mention 916,748,999, monster,907Paso,multistrata,900SS, GSXRs600,750,1000 CBR,R1,6 ZXs BMWs,KTMs. the list goes on. What i dont do is go around prophetically spouting off how bike A will never beat bike B and so on. Your input to this board is sometimes valued, but usually you just seem to be posting to get under peoples skin. go out and ride some modern bikes and have some fun with the sport of motorcycling away from your keyboard. This is supposed to be fun, not a pissing contest. Seth | ||
| Dalton_gang |
"were not really interested in your impression/general opinion of a bike you haven't ridden and probably wont ever ride" "This is supposed to be fun" Thank You Seth! Hey Dark, I was just wondering if you are seeing disgruntled disbelievers everywhere or just here on the bad web | ||
| Rocketman |
What i dont do is go around prophetically spouting off how bike A will never beat bike B and so on. But day in day out it's alright to hear how a ••••••• Buell can beat every bike ever built. You know, the 1125 is probably a fantastic bike, but listening to the ridiculous guestimates around here we are constantly lead to believe anything that Buell builds is better than everything else. They aren't. Get over. Your input to this board is sometimes valued, but usually you just seem to be posting to get under peoples skin. go out and ride some modern bikes and have some fun with the sport of motorcycling away from your keyboard. I'm a firm believer in criticism. It's a rather good British trait. The end result is those on the receiving end generally do better next time out. So yeah, getting under the skin is a good thing. And by the way, I'm faster on my keyboard. Ride? You mean, actually get on one of those two wheeled contraptions? Not likely. I prefer hiking over the moors in 10ft snow drifts in nothing but lycra underpants. Now that's what I call fun. This is supposed to be fun, not a pissing contest. It is fun, and the pissing is good stimulation for the brain. Not to mention it gives the fingers a good work out. Now there's a thing. Such could improve your sex life. Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
No it would not be more correct, Rocketman, in fact it would be wrong to say that, which of course wouldn't stop you. How absurd to say we were forced into anything. So you're saying you could have made the 1125 more aerodynamic but you chose not to? Any buffoon with a modicum of knowledge about motorcycle design can see where the design constraint lies. Steep steering angle and short wheelbase. Big fat muffler. Oil cooler. No place left for a radiator, right? Those goofy pods and side mounted radiators are a compromise over what is ideal, and that is also the reason the top half of the fairing has been concentrated on for allegedly better flow. Argue it another way. Why not as others have suggested, put a full fairing on the 1125 and call it a sportsbike? Could it be that not only would it not sell to the Buell demographic, it would get its arse kicked against the litre bikes? Whatever Buell can do, they can't bullshit me. Then to top it all, you want me to believe the Japanese can't do aerodynamics? Oh man, there's no wonder these arguments flare up with you guys. You're so full of yourselves it's pitiful. Build a freaking Buell the world wants. Not some compromise of shoehorning an ill at ease engine in the wrong chassis. Put the freaking engine in a tube frame and quit screwing around trying to prove the dumb XB chassis works. The world accepts the XB for what it is. It proved it can make a relatively underpowered engine work well in a cool chassis. Now duck it off and build a proper bike now you've got something like a half decent motor, otherwise yet again Buell will see about as much success as a one legged man in an arse kicking contest. Rocket | ||
| Anonymous |
No we can't bullshit the king of ignorance can we? Any buffoon can see it's done wrong. Well, you are not any buffoon, you are the ultimate buffoon! Full of yourself is what YOU are not us. You are a ranting fountain of ignorance, "A Yorkshireman born and a Yorkshireman bred, may be strong in the arm, but 'e's weak in the head!" Man, you would be the poster boy for that saying! You are pathetically deluded in motorcycle design, and you prove it with these posts. | ||
| Smoore |
AMEN Anony | ||
| Rocketman |
I never once said it was done wrong. I questioned, and reasonably so, why an anonymous person would state Buell could have made the 1125 more aerodynamic, but chose, I believe was anony's word, not to. Seems everytime I speak around these parts the Buell white collars boil their heads. I can only assume these anonymous persons know how smart I am otherwise they would not go out of their way to try and ridicule me. Buell should hire me. Like Margaret Thatcher said - 'keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer.' Rocket | ||
| Socoken |
Rocket has been pissing in peoples wheaties and calling it sugar on this board for as long as I have been a member. In the time I have known of his commitment to being contrary on here, I have served In two combat tours in Iraq, moved 8 times, bought and sold four bikes and two vehicles, dated two dozen different women, and started two businesses. Thats commitment folks!! | ||
| Rocketman |
In the time I have known of his commitment to being contrary on here, I have served In two combat tours in Iraq, moved 8 times, bought and sold four bikes and two vehicles, dated two dozen different women, and started two businesses. And Ducati have rehashed the Monster. Brought a street legal Moto GP bike to market. Mass produced an entirely new super bike range. Need I mention KTM or BMW or ............the 10 pairs of Levi's I've worn out. Rocket | ||
| Ceejay |
Why would a radiator placed in front of the motor be ideal? Because most bikes do it? Its similar to cars? The reason most liter bikes do it is due to size constraints. the motor since it sits perpendicular to the bike is already wide, thus adding cooling banks to each side would make it even more fat. I'm guess it would affect handling, but I don't know as I've never ridden one built in that manner. Since the Buells are using a twin, which are inherently much slimmer, they have more room on each side in order to place the radiators. This also keeps the heat that is exchanged from blowing back onto the motor as it does when the rads are in thier typical placement. Buell decided to cover them with pods which also double as some sort of hossack lever to aid in crash worthiness. I tried to test this theory at Mid-Ohio but the engineer types wouldn't let me kick it over(understandable), and asked me to go out and push the bike hard and if I wrecked I could find out the answer to my question as to how well they worked. I decided against it  Chickenhawks come to mind as they do it the same, but those Honda engineers probably don't know anything either. The pods also probably help with keeping the heat that is dissipated from the rads from getting to the rider, as I have heard that could be a problem. As for why Buell just didn't integrate everything into a nice fairing, I dunno. I imagine that a fully faired bike would be a little more aerodynamic and it would definitely look better IMO but keeping it half faired probably has something to do with keeping the cost down, which ends up being consumer cost as well as keeping it looking Buell. | ||
| Cyclonedon |
"And Ducati have rehashed the Monster: they should have just trashed it! Ducati's are UGLY!!! | ||
| Gregtonn |
Sean, The Orkney fishwife imitation is getting quite stale. Also your attempt at humor by trying to pass as a technical expert gone near rotten, in fact it has come to smell of dead fish. id est (that's latin for i.e.)...dumb XB chassis... It proved it can make a relatively underpowered engine work well in a cool chassis. Another minor point. Perhaps you should also explain to Ferrari and McLaren that they should put the radiators in front of the engine on their GP cars so they can make the chassis longer and more efficient. Greg p.s. Don't forget to take your meds. | ||
| Buellborn |
After watching this thread morph one would guess that that dealers and employees of BMC are not comfortable in upsetting the boss man. I work for a large corporation and nothing ever gets done as everyone meets once a week to agree with the boss. I read into Rockets post a desire to be better, not just a bash. Things only get improved through open honest discussion. Honda comes out with a new Accord over and over. That keeps them on top, and the changes come through a will for more, and likely thought provoking discussions and exchanges. | ||
| Bigblock |
This is a riding impressions thread, anyone with criticisms that don't come from riding impressions should piss off and give their negativity to another thread, go start your own. SHEESH! Lots of room on badweb for your opinions, put them in a relative place. if some of you naysayers said some of this crap to me on the street while on my new bike, well, I'm betting you wouldn't. The beauty of the internet... | ||
| Cyclonedon |
"I read into Rockets post a desire to be better, not just a bash." shouldn't he wait to actually test ride one or even see it in person before making comments on the motorcycle? | ||
| Gregtonn |
After watching this thread morph one would guess that that dealers and employees of BMC are not comfortable in upsetting the boss man. If by that statement you mean Erik Buell is not willing to adapt to new technology, nothing could be farther from the real Buell design philosophy. But the new technology had better be an improvement and it damn well better work. | ||
| Tommy_2stroke |
OK, so I'll admit I haven't been on the board lately... maybe a year or more? But this Rocket fellow... he seems familiar to me somehow. Oh, I remember him now. Isn't he the same fellow who used to bitch and moan ENDLESSLY about how Buells were crap, and would continue to be crap until they built a modern water-cooled motorcycle? So Buell finally does just that (and brilliantly too) and this guy is STILL bitching and moaning without end. Unbelievable. Funny, really. Ha! But wait... isn't this the same fellow who built a hideous V-8 powered contraption-bike? And he has the nerve to publicly offer design advice to Buell? Oh my. Hope he's having fun putt-putting around his Gatso-infested little social-welfare state that used to be England. (Sorry guys, I know that was off-topic, but I have not had the opportunity to ride the 1125R yet. I've been deliberately avoiding a dealer visit. I know my will to resist would crack like a rotten melon about 10 seconds after I sat on one). | ||
| Ft_bstrd |
Honda comes out with a new Accord over and over. That keeps them on top, and the changes come through a will for more, and likely thought provoking discussions and exchanges. Damn. That's some funny shit right there. Honda has produced some of the least style forward vehicles rivaled only by GM. | ||
| Sheridan_bueller |
Anony, PPPPLease don't start smashing until mine shows up. I am a believer! I NEED an 1125R. side note...One doesn't need to look back in history to learn the cause of the War of Independence. Just read Rocketman's posts....they do say that history repeats itself. | ||
| 86129squids |
Uuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhh, ANYONE ELSE got to ride one yet???? Shaaaddddaaaapppp otherwise. Methinks y'all piss around more than me. Y'all+ Rocket. Hey man, rest up, ride one, get yer rocket off, get back to where you once belong. do tell, someday, if you make it out to the states. let's ride the American Sportbike on some real roads, right side up! Limey squid. | ||
| 86129squids |
"You are cordially invited." RIDE motherbadminton player. Anytime in my backyard. | ||
| Blake |
This thread has been interrupted for a brief message from one of your friendly BadWeB custodians. This is to those who haven't yet ridden the Buell 1125R, yet who are inexplicably irritated by expressions of enthusiasm for the Buell 1125R, or the positive riding experiences shared here by those who have, and who are then compelled to post naysaying opposition. You, the naysayers here are WAY out of line. We now return you to what should be enthusiastic and at least thoughtful BadWeB (Buell enthusiast) programming to discus riding impressions of the Buell 1125R Motorcycle. So, what if the Buell 1125R is the better road going motorcycle? How may someone who has not ridden one know that it is not the best road going motorcycle? What is "best" for one, may be entirely different for another, yes? Why do ignorant people pretend to know that which they do not? What is the "best" motorcycle? Has there ever been a street bike that beat all others? Those with riding impressions, please advise. (Message edited by blake on December 16, 2007) | ||
| Zac4mac |
Nice diatribe, Blake. Three more days and I'll have some relevant info to add. Z | ||
| Rocketman |
As long as I'm entitled to a Buell opinion on the BadWeB, I'd like to believe I'm welcome to offer it. TWO THINGS 1 It's ridiculous to claim the 1125 is capable of beating an R1 or a GSXR1000. That's a fact. Why should this fact be labelled 'naysaying' or 'calling someone a liar?' 2 I'm not alone, and certainly not the first on BadWeB to not like the 1125's appearance. I have raised the odd question about why Buell would design a motorcycle that would 'split the camp'. My comments about design constraints, and budget available etc, intended to open discussion with the Buell white collars on BadWeB only ever seem to be met with 'Rocketman's an idiot', 'Rocketman's a troll'. I'm insulted for my choice of occupation, and for the things I like, and my mental state and health is brought into question. It doesn't matter one bit to me. In fact I find it somewhat complimentary that Mr Buell and his cohorts go out of their way to address me personally. What a effing pity they don't have the bollocks from the Ivory Tower to engage in real questions and answers. Keep the personal insults coming. They prove I speak sense. Dear Mr Buell, given you know the 1125 inside out, will it beat a GSXR1000 in a straight fight? Mr Buell: No Rocket. We wouldn't want our customers and faithful fans having such a misconception over our wonderful 1125. Such can only prove to make us look ridiculous in the long run, though it's a nice thought I grant you. That said, we have built a really wonderful motorcycle, and though not super bike fast in the true sense of the word, it still remains a very fast motorcycle and perhaps could prove fun trying to run with the super bikes on any sunny Sunday. Have you test ridden one yet Rocket? Suggest you do as soon as. It will surprise you. Hope to meet you on the black top one day soon. EB. Wait, it's been a dream. Wake up Rocket  Rocket | ||
| Bearly |
Go away | ||
| Court |
>>>shouldn't he wait to actually test ride one or even see it in person before making comments on the motorcycle? Never slowed him down in the past and facts would only serve to erode the senseless rambling. >>>>I'm not alone, and certainly not the first on BadWeB to not like the 1125's appearance. You are not alone. Just like the Porsche 911 and Saab, some folks will like it and some folks won't. The only thing you are alone is is caring what you think . . . your credibility, to most, has long since melted like last years snow. | ||
| Blake |
"It's ridiculous to claim the 1125 is capable of beating an R1 or a GSXR1000." You know this how? | ||
| Jackbequick |
Well said, Blake. Those that read for content and think about the words will get it. The others will not. Jack |
