| Author | Message | ||
     Spatten1 |
So Don, you have the best handling bike on the planet and live next to the best road on the planet. You have reached Nirvana. No need to blow up a bunch of infidels to get to heaven, you are already there! | ||
| M1combat |
w00t | ||
| Rocketman |
Scott, is that your 'Brummie' mate in your profile pic? I was gonna ask you about that a long time ago. I've ridden the Colorado Rockies too, and concur, it's sportsbike territory alright. I've got your road beat Combat. Road of Death  Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
 Rocket | ||
| Rocketman |
 Rocket | ||
| Spatten1 |
Sean, that is the closest I've been to a true deity. Been a huge fan of Sabbath since I was a kid. I believe that J.P. were Brummies too. Two fine bands! | ||
| Zcat |
Guys , give this Rocket a break, he has to live in wet old England, we don't. (Message edited by zcat on December 15, 2007) | ||
| M1combat |
I wasn't really looking for the most dangerous road... I was going more for a road that would be fun on a sportbike. | ||
| Rocketman |
What's wrong with the 'road of death'? I was hoping to offer Blake we take the challenge there.  Rocket | ||
| M2nc |
I've thrashed the tits off a 1098S for a full afternoon. 175 MPH will not ruffle its feathers. I hear figures of 185 MPH though I remain sceptical. Top Speed 172mph according to 2007 Master Bike Shoot out. Claimed to be the same for the 1125R. | ||
| Rocketman |
'Claimed' being the operative word. We live in hope. Rocket | ||
| Zac4mac |
If theoretical top speed, derived from a simple crunching of tire diameter, drive gearing and engine redline rpm yields a top speed of 172, actual will be higher. If you can hit redline, the tires will expand enough from centrifugal to add a few more mph. A hot day should give another mph or two because the rubber is more resilient. Then again, if you defeat the rev-limiter, top speed is right before you blow the motor. Z | ||
| Blake |
Sean, "As for the 1098, does anyone seriously believe the 1125 is going to take the performance fight to it? Dream on." Those are your own exact words that I challenged with an open wager, so you tell me what they mean. I suppose you'll cover your behind and try to tell us that you were talking only about WSBK or other such top level mult-imillion dollar class competition. I think most folks would take your unbelievably arrogant statement to include mainly club and regional or 2nd tier competition where most all the folks are on a level playing field, using the same tires, and not having to invest fortunes just to be competitive. You clearly stated "1098" not "1098S". Speaking as a supremely fair-minded and indubitably rational person my view is that when Buell produces a high-end, higher-performance version of their $12K 1125R that is priced comparably to the 1098S it will then be reasonable and rational to include the 1098S in the wager. Of course I momentarilly forgot your <ahem-> "rational" view that the Ducati 999Rs and Aprilia "Factory" RSVs competing in Pro-Twins are under-developed near-stock machines with little invested and scant race prep, while in contrast the teams fielding Buell XBRR's and wining enjoy inordinately excessive investment and hyper-intensive gifted race preparation.  The ridiculous stuff that you have to contrive and then believe in order to maintain such a dim view of all things Buell is truly amazing. Sounds to me like Carlos (M2nc) has exposed a b;atamt lack of rationality in your riding impression of the 1098. Maybe the speedometer was a bit off? Or perhaps your faceshield was fogged?  "Riding aggressively" on open public roads is a LOT different than "Racing" on open public roads. I enjoy the latter. The former is just plain idiotic. Let's digress a bit. You said the following: "That is to say, we are all aware of exactly what the GSXR1000 is, so we can't be saying is the 1125 a better bike because it's not practical to tour Europe on a GSXR1000 but the 1125 might be practical enough to do so." Of course we can. If we and more importantly the thread initiator/author are interested in a sport bike that is comfortable to ride, then that is a supremely rational and valid question, comparison and conclusion to make. If the Buell 1125R provides superior comfort compared to the GSXR1000, then it is better in that respect. And for some, many even, that is a valid and very important aspect to consider. "The thread therefore blatantly offers the 1125 as a sports bike." It is a sports bike; actually I'd say "sport bike". "As such whoever believes there's a contest in there somewhere, well they must be dreaming." And you know this how? Because the GSXR has an extensive racing pedigree? Because it offers greater peak HP and top speed? Is peak HP and straight line speed the only rational measure you employ for gaging sport bike performance? That is not rational. A rational approach is to accept that handling, braking, tractability, aerodynamics, comfort and the significant benefits of a strong broad powerband are also very critical aspects in considering the relative performance of sport bikes. "The GSXR1000 smokes it." Again, you know this how? Because of peak HP? Ignorance is bliss. "If this upsets some so much, then remove the entire thread as it's in danger of at least one person with a brain speaking the truth. Truth hurts, right?" If rationally comparing (meaning considering more than just peak HP/speed) a Buell 1125R to a GSXR1000 upsets you too much, then leave the thread and avoid posting here. What upsets you so much that some folks might find aspects of the 1125R's performance superior to those of a GSXR1000? There is only one person here that I see who is "upset so much". God FORBID that anyone blaspheme and compare a Buell to another liter-class sport-bike! Logic comes in play here. Let's apply it shall we? How much peak HP did the 999 base model make compared to a GSXR1000? A lot less than the 1125R, yes? So I guess then that any comparison of the 999 and GSXR1000 would be out of line, and any assertion that the 999 might be better than the GSXR in some respects is in the realm of dreamers? Rational you say? 1. True or false?: In the realm of peak HP, accleration, and top speed, Buell's 1125R is superior to Ducati's 999. 2. True or false?: The Buell 1125R offers comparable, possibly superior performance to a Ducati 1098. 3. True or false?: It is reasonable to compare a Ducati 1098 to a GSXR1000. 4. True or false?: It is ridiculous and dreaming/invalid to compare the relative merits of a Buell 1125R and a GSXR1000. 5. True or false?: Only peak HP and top speed are important when comparing the performance of different sport bikes. Answer key: Logic rules. I just realized that the more some folks try to deride and belittle the Buell 1125R, the more I am attracted to it. | ||
| Vagelis46 |
Comparing a 1125R, or a 1098, to any IL4 is valid. Many people would choose the IL4, many people would go for a V-2 sportbike. | ||
| Rocketman |
NO NO YES YES NO You know what, it's easily possible to tour a GSXR1000. I think the 1125 number is confusing you Blake. The Gixxer would wax it in every way possible - even comfort and practicality. Lighten up mate. It's only wind and puff at the end of the day. Rocket | ||
| Elvis |
Rocket has stated his position very clearly. He feels the 1125R is not even in the same realm or vaguely comparable to the 1098. And Rocket believes the 1098 is comparable the GSX-R1000. Therefore the 1098 and GSX are in a realm in which the current 1125R can not even hope to compete. Am I paraphrasing you correctly, Rocket? Therefore, I think this arguement has a logical conclusion. I think we would agree independant motorcycle magazines are not stupid. They will not compare bikes that are not comparable. So the first time we have a moto-journalist comparison of the 1125R and 1098 (even if the 1098 is the "winner"), we will have independantly verifiable "proof" that the 1125R is comparable to the 1098 and Rocket is wrong. And if the 1125R actually beats the 1098 on any key variables such as speed around certain tracks or horsepower or torque, Rocket will be so clearly wrong as to lose any and all credibility he may have one time had. Fair enough? | ||
| Blake |
Indubitably. | ||
| Court |
The 1125r is an excellent motorcycle. (Message edited by court on December 16, 2007) | ||
| Rich |
"The 1125r is an excellent motorcycle." That's an accurate statement.  | ||
| Ducxl |
The 1125r is an excellent motorcycle.YUP Thanks to these boards BMC MUST know they've got to have sorted out potential problems before release. So is a GSXR-1000,i'd love to try the "Dragon" at 10000 RPM between 1st and 2nd gears.I know the ZOOK can run all day long at over 9000 RPM NO SWEAT | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
all things being equal in a perfect world this would be a dang easy thing to sort out...all things being the way they are...well...not so easy..anybody saying the big GSXR is a heap would be out of their minds..its a darn nice motorcycle...the ducati...very nice bike...almost all of them are...hasnt ducati been around a loooong time...im sure they have had their blunders..style wise and mechanical....suzuki...been around a looong time...i loved my RM80 back in the day...im no huge fan of the 1125R,,,but...in perspective if we could give mr. buell 50 years of development time, unlimited funds, a huge development team at his beck and call, and all the other many resourses that im sure the other teams have im bettin the new buell would be something of epic proportions...damn the new gixx is nice...but have ya seen the BKING up close...dont tell me thats nota blunder...not being a fan of the 1125R i can say after seeing it up close and sitting on it...im still nto a fan..but i sure am a fan of someone havin a damn good time ridin their bike..and seeing the way people reacted to the new buell was, heart lifting...really....kinda like ur ugly sister meeting a really nice rich guy ...now i saw somewhere on here someone said their 1125 ate up an R-1...i have hard time beliving anything can eat an R-1 alive...im sorry but there arent many motorcycles around that can leave one of those in dust..but the point is..there is no point...its a great step for buell, its a good bike..maybe a little style handicapped but nice...and the whole lets compare it to everything else out there is kinda stupid...its just not like everything else...but it sure has generated some buzz...like all other buells...love it or hate it..its here to stay and it will be a leathal weapon in the hands of some people....never under estimate the under dog...and never i mean never turn ur back on that kid u made fun of at school..cause he's got a mission now....carve up the competition and make them cry....im done makin fun of the 1125 cause i get he feeling no matter what i ride that guy on the 1125 has something to prove and now he has the means to do it. | ||
| Bonjoxb12s |
Well said Hatchet...... | ||
| Court |
You know . . . never once have I ever had the urge to ride or buy an R1. I know it's a fabulous motorcycle and offers tremendous performance. Why then . . . . have I never had the first inkling to buy one and now find myself thinking . . . "how do I explain a Ulysses AND an 1125r along with a couple new guitars and cameras that are finding a home here to my wife?" Explain that . . . how many of you, in defernece to the R1's superior performance are currently on a waiting list for one? | ||
| Ducxl |
how many of you, in defernece to the R1's superior performance are currently on a waiting list for one? Not me.The epitome of high performance motorcycles to me though.Comfort comes in distant to performance.I'll buy a gold wing for anything other than my choice of "Sporting" motorcycling. Besides...i have this under one of my trees. 13:1 CR,BIG cams,ported,CF wheels/w CERAMIC rotors.A very long project i've done with the "piston to head" clearance,just waiting for the appropriate Cometic base shims.Then dial(yes,dial)the cams and then the rest can happen in two weeks time.All great things take time  Merry Christmas everyone  (Message edited by ducxl on December 16, 2007) | ||
| Blake |
Someone please send MollyH a "Shift" key and some paragraphs for Christmas. If I were a fan of IL4 crotch rockets, I'd probably have the Kawi or the R1, whichever of the lot have the ugly old mufflers hidden under the tail section. Ain't anything on a motorcycle uglier than a giant soup can of a muffler let alone two of them hanging out off the side of the bike. Looking head-on, the 1125R's cooling air intakes conjure images of Harrier Jump Jet nacelles, and they look perfectly artful in comparison. From the front, they look spectacular. At least in photos I've seen. Will a racier fully faired version be coming down the pike some time in the future? I'd be surprised if not. | ||
| Molly_hatchet |
ya...punctuation n stuff really aint me forte...uur lucky u dont ever have to read something ive written by hand. | ||
| Cobralightning |
Finally got my 1125R in. I must say I love it. Although I have not raced it against a GSX-R 1000, I have rode with my neighbor on his GSX-R 750. I can say that with some spirited riding I had no problems staying right next to him and even doing some safe passing. We were not on a track and neither of use were racing! But riding around aggressive and safe when NO one else was around. I say that Both he and I had a great impression of the 1125R. I will tell you how I fair on the track against his 750 in about 3 or 4 months. But it is easy to see that the 1125R is in the same class as the  big four liter bikes. Just my two cents. | ||
| M2nc |
In the UK, the word mecca of sportsbikes, the GSXR1000 is king. There is no argument. It is the sacred cow and rightfully so. But how dare we compare the lowly 1125R to it? Well you know us Americans and our lack of respect for kings. I think the 1125 number is confusing you Blake. The Gixxer would wax it in every way possible - even comfort and practicality. At least you had the little laughing guy. Not even you could have wrote that with a straight face. As for performance, time will tell, but having the ability to sit on both I can tell you, the 1125R is a touring bike compared the Gixxer, no joke! So the first time we have a moto-journalist comparison of the 1125R and 1098 (even if the 1098 is the "winner"), we will have independantly verifiable "proof" that the 1125R is comparable to the 1098 and Rocket is wrong. Elvis is in the house! I believe that would be proof enough. One last thing. All test I have seen of the 1098 is actually the 1098S. The 2007 example cost $22,795. That is almost the cost of two 1125R. For that extra $10,800 you get 9rwhp and 10# less. I wonder if you put $10,800 worth of modifications to an 1125R, could you equal or best those advantages? (Message edited by M2nc on December 16, 2007) (Message edited by M2nc on December 16, 2007) | ||
| M1combat |
So Rocket... What were the top Q times in MotoGP vs. 250 GP? Holy COW... maybe HP isn't the answer to the race game? | ||
| Rocketman |
Pedrosa 1'38.562 Moto GP Kallio 1'44.213 250cc Your point is? Rocket |
