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Dynasport
Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 12:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ok, that's just sick.

I really don't want to read this entire thread. I have read a few pages and it has really slipped away from the original point.

So, can someone just tell me, is the RSS beneficial, harmful, or neutral to the bike?
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 01:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

In general terms it can create problems under certain conditions. Yes it can help reduce the fan run under a certain set of conditions, but it has created negative side effects under certain test circumstances.

Try one out. If you have problems, take it off. If you don't, welcome to the pro-RSS camp.

The scoop doesn't reduce rider heat, but it does tend to make the fan run less. I don't mind the fan, and if it doesn't reduce rider heat, I don't need one.

Plus, they are expensive.

Now, if it was empirically proven that the RSS helped to extend the life of Bank Angle Sensors, I might consider. : D
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 01:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think it comes down to you are not going to get answer that is backed up with data, there are a couple of riders that have put them on and said they noticed a difference. And after all the hubub, I am mounting one! And a crash cage to boot. If for no other reasoning that I like the look, it is my bike, and my money. Now, I have to go get some therapy for that Hasselhoff and puppy pic, it is wrong on so many levels
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Treadmarks
Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 01:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

mmmmmmmmmm puuuuuuppy luv.

Edit to say HAAA, I put the puppies on top of the thread.

Way to go fatty.

(Message edited by treadmarks on November 27, 2007)
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Midknyte
Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 02:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I'll see your puppies and raise you a shaved p*ssy


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Glitch
Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 02:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

y'all are just sick
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New12r
Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 02:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

y'all are just sick

My kind of folks.

Fats, You should be beaten for that photo, I just recently got it out of my head from the last fool that posted it!!

I dont support the RSS for the simple fact that I cannot measure the head temps in 20 different locations to see if I am getting uneven cooling.

Personally the bike works just fine stock and I dont have an engineering degree to argue against the experts.

Those of you arguing against the experts have yet to give me any "REAL PROOF" this improves the engine conditions needed for a GOOD RUNNING MACHINE.

YOUR SEAT OF THE PANTS DYNO APPROACH WILL NEVER CHANGE AN EDUCATED MIND.

(Message edited by new12r on November 27, 2007)
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Ccryder
Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 03:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Bradley, you made me look!

Glitch, our kind of sick.

Time2Work
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Slaughter
Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 03:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Something to think about: The fan runs off the temperature sensor. Cool the temperature sensor and the fan runs less. Does that mean you got good/even cooling?

Not necessarily.
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Slaughter
Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 03:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

and PUUuulllleeeEEEASE would our moderators TAKE THAT HASSELHOFF and Puppies picture the he!! off of this thread??!!

I just ate and am gonna be having a BAAAaaaad afternoon now.

You all be BASTIDS!
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Ustorque
Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 04:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

something to think about: hasselhoff is kept warm by the puppy on his crotch. If you remove the puppy from his crotch do you have a cooler hasselhoff?


Not necessarily.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 04:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Steve,

He IS a moderator, or as we prefer to say, a custodian. I've tried. He promised. He may be incorrigible. We may need to send him away for a month of psychological detox. You got room at your place?
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Aussie_xb12ss
Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 04:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

something to think about: hasselhoff is kept warm by the puppy on his crotch. If you remove the puppy from his crotch do you have a cooler hasselhoff?

Obviously not as he doesn’t have a Right Side Scoop.
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Midknyte
Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 04:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

is that what they call animal husbandry?




hehehehe. Now try to get that image out of your head
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Djkaplan
Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 04:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"He IS a moderator..."

I believe that is a sign of the coming pockylips.
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Bubo
Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 04:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i just got the fuel issue and the rss is said to reduce the fuel rail temps but if it is the same size of the lss it can create a problem
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Cityxslicker
Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 05:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

welcome to the debate bubo. ;) The last time Hasselhoff was "cool" might have been the first season of Knight Rider... 1981? anything after that is merely papparazi propoganda and media masturb@ation hype. the only thing worse than puppies on Hasseloffs naked body, is being the poor schmuck that has to remove them after the photo shoot. And did anyone else notice that he is flipping us all off? Thats right, he is waving the bird "Ha I am getting paid for this, I am German, you stupid teens will eat this up".... Going to go ride.
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Hexangler
Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 07:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"And did anyone else notice that he is flipping us all off?"
You looked to long if you noticed that, me thinks.
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Hexangler
Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 08:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ps. Maybe his left index finger is stuck in a fold.

Can someone please fotoshop the shocker on that man???
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Unibear12r
Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 08:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)


Yea, me too.
Sooo wrong.
I went by it fast enough to not get that good a look at the picture title and thought it was some kind of bubble gum card.
Talk about stomach turning...
Gota love the look on that cat's face tho!
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Ft_bstrd
Posted on Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 10:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The Hoff is a unifying force. We can fight like cats and dogs on the RSS issue.

I introduce The Hoff only to provide a central figure we can ALL hate.


Strange how something so horrific can provide an improvement to the overall thread discourse.

There is method to my madness.
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Superdave
Posted on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 12:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I used to experience vapor lock on a regular basis. 1953 Mercury flathead. I think it was a '53. Oh well, it was a long time ago in a land far away called high school. Sometimes it even vapor locked while on a date. How convenient was that? Very.
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Old_man
Posted on Wednesday, November 28, 2007 - 01:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

You brought back memories, my first car was a 53 Mercury.
It was a southern car (no heater) but I didn't care.
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Spiderman
Posted on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 11:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I was waiting for someone to post this but to no avail.

http://www.google.com/patents?id=sJAMAAAAEBAJ&pg=P A10&dq=erik+buell


As you can see adding a RSS would cause a "air void" over the fuel rail. IE air would be pushing together from both sides not allowing air to properly flow over said fuel rail.
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Treadmarks
Posted on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 12:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

(yaaaawn) What a booooring read.

I still did not see where it said that the RSS didn't work in south florida, where the laws of thermal dynamics cease to exist.

Gotta go...I think my fan came on.

Edited to clarify.

(Message edited by treadmarks on November 29, 2007)
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Djkaplan
Posted on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 12:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

This is all from memory (so none of it may even be remotely correct), but I remember an issue Corvettes had in the early 70's in production racing. They were overheating at speed when the front grills were opened to let more air flow in. The the extra volume was apparently backing up in the fan shroud and not letting enough through.

Check out the front grill on those Corvettes some time. Two separated openings funneling air into a central radiator with a shrouded fan behind it. The key to solving it was to remove the fan and shroud... but if you couldn't do that, I would imagine the answer would have been to close off one grill opening.

This proves nothing, of course... but I thought it was related to the topic.
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Ccryder
Posted on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 12:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Boring???? A lot of brainwaves were burnt during the creative cycle that created this design. Usually, the simpler it seems in the patent, the stronger the patent. At least that's what I have been told by the high$ lawyers at corporate.

Reading the patent gives some insight to what Abe was saying in Fuell (if you took the time to get that far) .

Time4Lunch
Neil S.
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Treadmarks
Posted on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 12:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Dude, I fell asleep halfway through it, and almost gave mysef whiplash.

I'll jes wait fer them thar cliff notes.
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Djkaplan
Posted on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 01:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Now this... is a boring abstract.

http://www.google.com/patents?id=4AEJAAAAEBAJ&dq=d aniel+kaplan+thrall+car
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Skully
Posted on Thursday, November 29, 2007 - 01:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Spidey,

Too cool! Do the cylinders look a little small in Figure 3?

Keith
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