| Author | Message | ||
     Zac4mac |
If you look at the accessories from the Firebolt pages, it says it fits the 1125 in most if not all cases(especially bags) except anything for the front fairing. Z | ||
| Buellnick |
Actually, if you want soft bags get the Cortech Sport Bags... Look good and very functional and practical. Most importantly, they come off easily and without mounting rails so you can restore the good looks. If you want hard bags, get a Uly or some other bike...some very good ones to choose from out there. The 1125r "look" will be ruined with such baggage. As a Uly alternative, I saw a XB12Ss with Uly side bags which looked acceptable... The sport touring / bagger market is tough... Leave the 1125r as an "r" and hopefully someday an "RR" What ever happened to rumors of a V-Rod motor in a HD bagger?? | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Mr. Buell squelched the idea of a sport tourer at Homecoming. Buell doesn't think there is enough of a demand for one but left open the possibility. | ||
| Bonjoxb12s |
I think if Mr. Buell has been reading from the 1125R thread, he'll quickly realize there are MANY people wanting a Sport Touring Version. | ||
| Buellnick |
Haven't seen that much interest and only mixed feelings on this thread. Mr. Buell and the market will decide. Other companies have this ST category nailed down and even they do not account for huge sales compared to other categories. | ||
| Bonjoxb12s |
Haven't seen much interest? Go read some of the other posts. I think you'll find many people are looking for an "S" or a "T" version to come out. | ||
| Bonjoxb12s |
"If you want hard bags, get a Uly or some other bike...some very good ones to choose from out there. The 1125r "look" will be ruined with such baggage. As a Uly alternative, I saw a XB12Ss with Uly side bags which looked acceptable..." Your missing the point completely. These rider's would like the Rotax engine, with a package that CAN compete with those "other brands"... the Uly isn't even comparable to the 1125. Just like you can't compare a Uly to "some other bike" like a Kawi Concourse, or the Yama's FJR's.... comparing apples to oranges there. I'd say instead of recommending alternative brands, try and push for a different version of the 1125 or push for some great modifications. | ||
| Court |
Touring versions, as much as folks (myownself included) purport to want them. . . have never sold very well. Toss in the tooling then try to amortize it over hundreds (or less) units and it becomes a very dicey business proposition. | ||
| Bonjoxb12s |
I agree, but you can't take someone asking for an 1125"T" version, and try and push them towards a Uly..... the two wouldn't even come close to being the same bike. Both are two completely different machines (or they WOULD be if both were produced). | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
Haven't seen much interest? Go read some of the other posts. I think you'll find many people are looking for an "S" or a "T" version to come out. A handful of people on the BadWeb doesn't qualify. | ||
| Buellnick |
I do not believe a bagged 1125r will compare well to an FJR1300, Concours, or BMW... The HP/Torque specs aside, these bikes strive for long haul, straight line, high speed, stability, and comfort. Look at what these bikes offer. Things like shaft drive, ABS, longer wheelbases, integral hard bags standard, and WEIGHT...heretical stuff to the holy trilogy of tech. The multi-purpose bikes (Uly and others) have done better that ST bikes. I have two ST type bikes and I can tell you that XB/1125r handling and the FUN FACTOR are simply not there...not meant to be...but they are definitely more comfortable when loaded down with a passenger and stuff. Different market and a very tough market as noted by Court. The amortization is an important business consideration. I do not want my favorite MC company going down the road of trying to please a few when the market and the company's vision is elsewhere. Keep the 1125r a superbike. I've seen some calls for a "T" and "S" If by "S" you mean a naked 1125r, that would be cool and consistent with the streetfighter hooligan part of the sport bike world. The Buell "Tuono" so to speak (Couldn't resist given the Rotax connection). I stick with position re the 1125r... If you want to go somewhere far away or carry stuff, put some Cortech bags on it temporarily and ride it like a superbike (with some extra weight). If you want the bags/mounts and high bars, there are others to choose. Just my personal opinion - of course. | ||
| Bonjoxb12s |
I'd love to see an "s" version.... as long as it retains the stance of the XB's and give us a more upright position.... I don't think bags would look too bad on an "S" version either. | ||
| Court |
If Buell decides to do it . . . it will be a superior product. I suspect that commitment of time, energy and resources is why it's not presently in the cards. There are a host of other fun things keeping folks quite busilicious. | ||
| Buellnick |
"host of other fun things..." Right now I hope they are having fun assembling my 1125r... | ||
| Jlnance |
Touring versions, as much as folks (myownself included) purport to want them. . . have never sold very well. Yet most people like the Uly for its touring abilities and not it's Adventure abilities. Perhaps if it's just not called a Touring bike ... | ||
| Jaimec |
The ability to add hard bags doesn't necessarily make the bike a sport tourer. But being able to add locking hard bags would be a plus for those of us who would find the bike comfortable enough for day long rides and would like to carry more than just a toothbrush and a gold card... | ||
| Chadhargis |
Building a "factory" sport touring bike to me means something with a big windshield, hard bags, and plenty of electronic gadgets. It also means it weights at least 650lbs and is a pig of a bike. Why? I don't know...I don't make the rules, but look at the FJR1300, Concours, BMW K1200GT, Honda ST1300, BMW 1200RT, etc...they are all overweight pigs. I think what you guys really want is a comfortable sportbike with hard bags. I'm in that group as well. Take off the bags and strafe the canyons. Give me a tall seat height and low pegs so my legs aren't cramped. Give me some upright bars, give me a top notch sportbike spec suspension, a monster motor, and keep it 500lbs or less (the lighter the better)...now THAT'S a sport tourer. Wait a minute.....Buell makes that bike already...the Ulysses! All it's missing is the monster motor....come on Buell....1125 Ulysses...do it!! DO IT!! I will buy one as soon as I can get my hands on one. | ||
| Milar |
Most of you know Ducati has dropped their sport-touring bikes and are focussing on developing the Multistrada line for touring. I wouldn't be surprised if Buell doesn't do the same thing and develop the Uly platform for touring. Perhaps use the 1125 motor and a frame mounted fairing. The "Uly GT." Steve Anderson is director of platform development. Which platform??? M | ||
| Bonjoxb12s |
Chad, I'm with you 100%!!!!!! Just make sure all of us under 6'0 can reach the ground!! | ||
| Hickey |
As I understand it, the adventure touring market is doing very well. I suspect because that is where Sport-touring dollars are going. Buell has jumped aboard with the Ulysses. So jump a little further and make something Ulysses-like out of the 1125R. This would at least tempt folks considering the KTM 990 Adventure or BMW R1200GS. However, such a bike might also lure riders away from the FJR and K1200GT. Riders who want comfort and sport, but would prefer them in the lighter package. | ||
| Gregtonn |
Wait a minute.....Buell makes that bike already...the Ulysses! All it's missing is the monster motor....come on Buell....1125 Ulysses...do it!! DO IT!! As much as some people dislike the radiator side pods, they make even more sense for an Adventure Touring bike. They keep the radiators up away from the stray rock thrown up by the front wheel. They also help protect things when the dreaded low speed tip over occurs on that rutted fire trail. Sounds like a fun bike to me! | ||
| Kuuud |
+1 on the S version. it makes a whole lot more sense. Remember the 9S came out a few months after the 9R. I bought the first S my dealer ever got (March/April I think). I traded it on the first S they got (December). I'll wait for the 1125S to come out next spring!!! (Or '09 for the X version) Bret | ||
| Kuuud |
My other reason for waiting is that if I traded or sold my 12R AND the Uly, I'd have enough to MAYBE break even on the out-the-door total on a new 1125R. | ||
| Dynasport |
Well, I am a market of only 1, but this is what I want. I want a bike I can do 300 mile days on with a bit of comfort. I want to be able to pack enough stuff so that I can carry a couple of changes of clothes, some tools, and misc. bits of other stuff. And I want a bike that is fun in the corners when I take all my stuff off the bike. I know the Uly fits these requirements, but after having test ridden one twice and gotten on and off them many other times, I don't like the height. With the hard bags I end up kicking them getting on and off. I like the height of the XB12R and XB12Ss much more. I have been thinking about an R with a touring screen (Zero Gravity makes one, I think others do as well), some Helibars, and the lower Lightning pegs. I would probably go with the Cortech bags. For more range I could go with the Ss and maybe the laminar lip for better wind protection. I just don't know yet. Which is just as well, as I don't have the money for 18 more months anyway. In the meantime I will be visiting here frequently learning all I can. | ||
| Chadhargis |
I'm saving up my new bike dollars and holding my breath for an 1125 Ulysses. As good as the Ulysses is, and my only gripe being the "shake and bake" motor, the 1125 engine in a Ulysses type chassis would set the Multistrada, GS, and Tiger on their ears. Come on Buell...give it to us for 2009!! | ||
| Rainman |
There's sport touring bikes that are really touring bikes and then sport touring which are really standard go-anywhere bikes. I prefer the latter. I want a bike I can drive in the city and put the hard bags on and take on a 12-hour jaunt either on the freeway or backroads. I don't need GPS (I have maps), I don't need a lot of doodads or gadgets and I don't want a lot of weight. I want a bike that does IT ALL, including carry a passenger on occasion. FJR, Concours, ST1300 are too heavy and too complicated with too much unnecessary stuff. I'd consider the Uly, but I can't ride it...It's just too tall and my big toes are barely on their tips to hit ground (I'm 5' 8" with a 30-inch inseam). Lowering the Uly or the TT (also too tall, although I can get all of my toes on the ground) doesn't seem like much of an option as buying a new bike and spending $2,000 on lowering and modifying suspensions and seats seems silly, especially as I'm mechanically retarded and so are most dealers. I'd love a Uly-Short or XB12Ss with Uly windshield, seat, hand protectors and power outlets or 1125s with the same set up. My next bike will be something I can tour on (that means go long distance with a weeks worth of t-shirts and jeans). I want it to be a Buell. | ||
| Baggermike |
Hey I am working on my ulysses and since I am giving it to my son I need to lower it, the front is easy and cheap, the rear would require a special shock I am trying to keep atleast 6" of travel I am also installing the rear sub frame from the sg which has a 28" seat hight, I am getting teh 1125R soon I hope just waiting for the dealer to get one I am fist on his list, so I am customizing the ulysses and if you get bar risors like the rox 2" pivot you can get the bars away from the fork legs and raise them up in the trees, unfortoinaly my bike broke in october so I had to wait for it to be fixed which was monday and now got to pick it up, I got a sg seat off ebay for 80 shipping included and buying the sup frame to but the seat on, any bike you can put a windshield on so I feel the ulysses is one of the best buells and been told by suspension builders that the bike will out handle a sport bike, with good suspension, I picked up wilburs of Germany front springs for 50 with shipping, I seen a ulysses on ebay that has a firer bolt front and a lightning rear and the suspension is not the ulysses but I will post as soon as I can how much you can lower the bike with the stock suspension. Has anyone recieved a 1125R yet? they keep pushing it back, last I heard the shipped on the 28th but not sure when they will show up or if that is true, so if anyone knows please let me know. Mike | ||
| Spike |
I love the idea of an 1125RT, but I'm a little leery about turning a sport bike into a touring bike. The Japanese have proven to be utterly incapable of doing this. For example, look at the ZX-14:  It started off delivering 170+hp and 100+ft-lbs to the rear tire (90ft-lbs of it at 4k rpm) while weighing 485lbs dry. The way I see it, it was already on the big and portly side, so all it needed was some integrated hard bags, relaxed ergos, a taller windscreen, and a revalved/resprung suspension to be a great sport tourer. Instead, we get the Concours 14:  A 606lb (dry) behemoth that only puts ~135hp and ~90ft-lbs to the rear wheel. 135rwhp is still a ton of power, but it's over 30hp down from the ZX-14. I'm sure the marketing guys would tell you the Concours motor is "tuned for torque" but it doesn't seem to be doing any better off the bottom end than the ZX-14. It really looks like they just lopped off the top of the power band. Also, what's with the weight? I understand that bags and extra seat foam are going to add a little something, but the bike gained ~120lbs!? Shaft drive is nice, but is it really 120lbs nice? For perspective, the Concours 14 is closer in weight to a Softail than it is to a ZX-14. It's within 30lbs of an FXD Super Glide. It's as if the term "sport-touring" translates to "neutered and obese" in other languages. | ||
| Chadhargis |
While the Ulysses is a tall bike, it's what makes it comfortable. If you lower it, you'll end up dragging parts on the ground in the corners. The beauty of the Ulysses is that it fits people other than the "average" person. Seems most bikes are designed for someone 5'10, 170lbs. That body type can hop on just about anything and be reasonably comfortable. I'm 6'5" with a 36" inseam. When I see someone less than 6' with an inseam at last 4" shorter than mine complain about how "uncomfortable" a sportbike is, I get a little laugh out of it. If I were 5'8" with a 30" inseam, I'd get a damn Gixxer 1000, but on some softbags and some Converti-bars and have one bad ass "sport touring" rig. It would be just as comfortable to me as my Uly is at my height. Advil and Red Bull before every ride for me!  Now...if Buell would put the 1125 motor in a bike just like the Ulysses, then at least us Sasquatch like freaks could know what's it's like to have a high performance, sharp handling bike. We really only have two options...the Multistrada and the Tiger. The Tiger has the wheelbase of a Winnebago and the Multistrada is too damn expensive and not in the league of the 1125 as far as power is concerned. I think Buell would sell all they could make if they built a Ulysses around the 1125 motor. Good Lord...it would be in a class by itself. Truly "different". Yeah, Honda put the Superhawk motor in the Veradero (should have used the RC51 motor), and Suzuki put the TL1000 motor in the V-Strom, but those bikes have odd sized tires, crumby suspension, and are "tuned for torque" versus keeping the hot setup. Screw "tuned for torque", the 1125 motor needs no such treatment. The Uly already runs standard sized street rubber. If you are so inclined to do a track day, you can even put on a set of sticky slicks and enjoy passing people at will. God that's fun on a big tall "adventure" bike. There are plenty of "dual sport" bikes out there. We don't need another one. There are plenty of tiny little sportbikes that people under 6' can ride comfortably. Buell is all about doing it differently. Give the world a hotted up Ulysses. P L E A S E ! ! ! | ||
| Eengler2 |
Did someone say 1125S...  |
