| Author | Message | ||
     Sheridan_bueller |
I'm with Anony. 1125R is gorgeous. Like nothing else. It would be extremely difficult to mistake it for ANY of the other lookalikes on the market. Even if you painted it green!!! Just my kind of bike! Way to go Anony! You did an awesome job! | ||
| Xb984r |
Sorry,I agree with Brad the 1125 looks thrown together,Firebolt rear,tupperware on the side and R1 up front.As for people calling other bikes cookie cutter and look alikes,you may want to actually look at the bikes,in no way do all full faired bikes look the same. | ||
| Ferris_von_bueller |
All the back and forth bantering over appearance is futile. The 1125 is built and thats the end of it. The truth will be told at the sales desk. If it doesn't live up to expectations, you can bet your bottom dollar Buell will be asking questions and one of them will surely be, " is it not selling because of appearance?" | ||
| Zac4mac |
From the photos I've seen, it does look like a hodge-podge. I'll reserve final judgement for when I can see it in the flesh as to how well all the parts blend. I expect everything to work well and look good too. Can't wait for my first chance to ride thru a windstorm, tucked in behind that faaaat fairing. As far as cookie cutter, they may not look the same, but none are different enough to stand out like the 1125 does. I like it and can't wait to get mine. #2 at Sun HD. Z | ||
| Reepicheep |
Nothing like seeing a row of 20 of them lined up waiting for you at a track day... they looked great. On the other hand, if I argue the other way, my 85 KLR 250 is back at the cutting edge of styling  | ||
| Brad1445 |
Ferris_von_bueller Posted on Sunday, November 11, 2007 - 09:07 am: The truth will be told at the sales desk. If it doesn't live up to expectations, you can bet your bottom dollar Buell will be asking questions and one of them will surely be, " is it not selling because of appearance?" ________________________________________ Just seems it would be cheeper to do that research before hand. Looking unique or different does not need mean ugly. There is so much butt kissing on here that this is not even close to real market conditions. I'm as big a Buell Fan as any, now on my 5th its a 2008. I have done as much to promote Buell's well being as anyone. Yes everyone has an opinion and rightly so. I have not met one person that thought it was a good looking bike out of dozenz of bikers I know, not one said nice bike from the looks. If the Empora (sp) has no cloths who is the better friend, the one who tells him that, or those that say only what he wants to hear. Due to Buells production abilities/size I'm sure the Bike will sell well enough that the true answer of what could have been will never be known for sure as the stats on the bike are so good in particular for the price point that it will likely sell every one it can build. The 'what if' is to have a bike thats looks as world class as the engineering stats. That would be an unstoppable success. I work in Marketing so I guess I always look at things as how to grow the market, that may not be the attempt here. I'm not bashing the bike, I think I may be a better friend to BMC than most as Im seriously wanting it to succeed. This forum is in no way close to market conditions it is more of a company forum and and a place to worship. I think a little truth is a good thing. I have not seen the bike but do know some who did that also have concerns that the bike looks heavy up front compared to the tail. I did not offer the photo of the KTM to show it as state of the art styling FAR FROM IT I did it to show durable two piece cooling systems can be integrated into the total looks of a bike. I love having a bike thats different from the masses. That does not mean it can not have world class looks and achieve that goal also. | ||
| Doerman |
Different evokes emotion. The difference in every sense between a GSXR, CBR, ZX10 and R1 are discernible, but small. These are bikes aimed at the masses. Buell has taken the stance that different (where different is MUCH deeper than just appearance)is a recognizable attribute of the brand. By taking that stance, it will affect number of units sold, but it translates into a sweet ownership experience for those of us that choose to buy one. Yeah, being different in every sense affects the size of the flock you attract but there is a vibrant and viable market within the minority. | ||
| Dbird29 |
"Just seems it would be cheeper to do that research before hand. Looking unique or different does not need mean ugly. There is so much butt kissing on here that this is not even close to real market conditions." How do you know they didn't do the research before hand? Kind of presumptuous for you to say that as fact without offering proof. Let's see that secret memo that says " F' the World, let's just do it as ugly as we can"!  | ||
| M2nc |
When ever you push the envelope and do not produce a "Me Too" product, many will say, "You did it wrong!" "It doesn't look like it should!" "They must have made a mistake!" So I understand the comments. They are right. The 1125R does not look like any other super bike. As a matter of fact, the front rotor doesn't look right and the muffler is in the wrong place. Oh wait, others are doing that now, so its okay now. You have the sheep and visionaries. Who is right? Well since this is a product for sale, the market will be the judge. I personally like the looks of the 1125R, even if the scoops are all wrong for the me too crowd. Then again I have aways like things that are out of the norm. | ||
| Anonymous |
Of course your opinion may vary. But we chose to style it the way we did because we love it. Our surveys did show most like the styling a lot. Just because you don't like the styling does not mean the stylists are stupid or lacking in talent. You can't rant all you want, but it looks incredibly cool, and it will both sell and win styling awards in the long run. The bike was specifically styled to have massive shoulders and a slim waist and tail, like most predatory animals. | ||
| Cochise |
An elephant is predatory? | ||
| Mcgiver |
No, and an Elephant isn't slim waisted either! | ||
| Zac4mac |
This is an elephant?  | ||
| Jammin_joules |
than this must be a herd of those quick and nimble blue-striped elephants held at bay by the mighty orange-cone pigmies found outside Salt Lake City...  | ||
| Bearly |
Well Put M2nc! Wow, I can't believe people are still complaining. Apparently not too many people under stand flow dynamics and fluid research. I just can't wait to get my beautiful 1125r. I can't wait to pass buy some of these complainers standing on the corner with their hands in their pockets. You may not be able to tell inside my helmet, but I'll have a smile on my face! I just love the bubble that they made for the rider. Looks like you all spent a lot of time in the wind tunnel. Thanks for that. I'm an ex test pilot for an aircraft manufacturer that really appreciates your work. I love the radiators and seeing the damage that can occur with the radiator behind the front wheel I think it's a perfect fit. I also appreciate and understand what a great move it was to get them into clean air (non turbulent air) and how you looked to obtain the greatest pressure delta across the exchanger. I can't wait to see it up close and see how you routed the cooling air around and inside the frame and out the back. That was a really smart move. Thanks for making it cheap to fix on a low side as well. Thanks for the great balance of Form / Function with added style that is sure to impress the masses. I've been flying too much to get to an inside pass day But remember to send at least one of the first batch to Groves Winchester Harley in VA! It will be well received. Good job Buell! WaHoo! Bear Lemley (Message edited by bearly on November 12, 2007) | ||
| Unibear12r |
I guess I'm one of those butt kissers who's mind isn't so closed so as to not broaden my horizons. | ||
| Unibear12r |
The LAST thing I'd want to do is to get in front of a pissed off elephant! | ||
| Brad1445 |
 (Message edited by brad1445 on November 11, 2007) | ||
| Zac4mac |
Call it what you want, I am calling one of the first batch MINE. I think it's gorgeous, in an evil way. sinister. Even warming to the "Bruiser" color scheme. Ya BMC you can call it that if you want. Just get it here... Z | ||
| Xbolt12 |
I guess I just really liked the XBR styling myself, but of course that's just my opinion. I certainly didn't mean to insult anyone. I was just posting up after actually seeing and riding the bike in person. It's a great bike. Personally though if I had one I would try to get back to the XBR look. XBolt12 (Message edited by XBolt12 on November 11, 2007) | ||
| Bearly |
Broaden My horizons? Thanks funny | ||
| Unibear12r |
My comment most certainly was not aimed at you Bearly!  | ||
| Jammin_joules |
The split engine straddling radiators and choice of V-twin configuration allow for choosing an optimal forward bias to the front tire. Cornering is phenomenal on this bike because of it. Further CFD design verification resulted in off-setting the mono-shock which allows for air flow through the chassis and exits underneath the tail piece, away from the riders leg, due to the benefits of low pressure designed in there. That the shrouds are defacto sliders, as brought out by the insurance advisors in QFD, saves us from higher insurance costs too. | ||
| Chadhargis |
I really don't understand why some people carry on about how a bike looks. If you want butt jewelry, get your anus pierced. If you wanna ride to the local hangout and pose, there are plenty of crotch rockets and cruisers to choose from. If you want something that's functional, works well, and is engineered from the ground up to perform, then the 1125r is your bike. I like how there is nothing on the bike that doesn't serve a purpose. I wouldn't care if the thing was painted a metallic pink because it reflected engine heat or something...as long as it works that's all that matters. I admire Buell for what they have created. I've seen it first hand, and it's a nice looking bike. I've ridden with some guys that have "rat" bikes that have been pieced together from junk yards and eBay parts and those guys can ride the hell out of those bikes and ride circles around just about anyone here if I had my guess. They don't care what you think about how their bike looks, since most people only see the rear of the bike for a few seconds every 4 or 5 laps or so. I hope someone, in some design meeting at Buell, uttered this phrase regarding the design of the 1125, "You can please some of the people some of the time....F**K the rest of 'em!". LOL! | ||
| Ducxl |
If you want something that's functional, works well, and is engineered from the ground up to perform, then the 1125r is your bike. uhh,isn't the 1125r marketed by Buell as "From the rider down"? Not From the ground up? | ||
| Brad1445 |
Chadhargis Posted on Monday, November 12, 2007 - 07:32 pm: 1. I really don't understand why some people carry on about how a bike looks. 2. I've ridden with some guys that have "rat" bikes 3. I hope someone, in some design meeting at Buell, uttered this phrase regarding the design of the 1125, "You can please some of the people some of the time....F**K the rest of 'em!".. _________________________________________ 1. Because over many years we spent ten's of thousands of dollars waiting for this bike from our favorite bike manufacture, thats a long time to wait for a christmas present that did not look like you had hoped when you open the box. 2. Rat Bikes are fugging cool, If I get the 1125R I will be pulling off parts like the Roommba vacuum cleaners on the sides and switching to a bikini fairing I would love that. 3. I have no doubt that is own of two things that were said for certain, the other is pass me that joint. (Message edited by brad1445 on November 12, 2007) | ||
| Garrett2 |
brad - switching to a bikini fairing doesnt mean rat bike google rat bike, then you'll see what hes talking about | ||
| Unibear12r |
Well, well, well... Before he was through Dumbo turned out to be quite a guy. Hard start but turned out to be smart, a leader, and fly! He could float and turn like a hummingbird and soar higher and faster than an eagle. Quite a compliment.  Sense engineering something to be both good looking and functional has been brought up can somebody tell me why Duc has put the most ugly tube frame I've ever seen on the Monsters? Looks like a butt ugly bridge with wheels. And why such a wide open and ugly looking 90V twin? Oh, I understand about the crankshaft balance but hell a tighter and more compact engine looks sooo much better and 'sides thats what engineering balance shafts and iso mounts are for! Besides that's part of the reason that the Ducs are known for their ball, back, arm and neck bruising ergos is from shoehorning that long engine in their frames and stretching out the rider. Why does Ducati build all their street bikes with those tight sexy fairings that only provide aero for only a perfect sized 150 lb racer body instead of sized for the reality of its customers sizes? Why does Ducati still put those ugly undersized out of balanced tail sections on their bikes? Ones that still have the exhaust and cats under them that their riders have been complaining about the heat from for years now? In 35 years of motorcycling the one thing I can tell you about Ducati is that they are not driven by engineering but by IMAGE!!! Engineering is a part of the persona they efface but it's NOT what drives them. The only other company that is as deep into image is HD. A company that is interested in sweating the small stuff right up to a new models build date may not be the best business model but they are driven by engineering. A company that is willing to that to the point it might stall production is definitely into its customers in a way that I've NEVER seen Ducati be, or Japan Inc either. That's costing Buell some bucks! My individual opinion is no more or less important that anybody else's on this board and has the same amount of worth. If somebody is not man enough to handle a true, factual, opposing point of view he needs to grow a pair. | ||
| Crusty |
Why does Ducati still put those ugly undersized out of balanced tail sections on their bikes? Ones that still have the exhaust and cats under them that their riders have been complaining about the heat from for years now? Some people like having burning hot objects stuck | ||
| Court |
It's the same reason the Mercedes-Benz builds the McLaren. It makes no sense for the street at $497,000 but they sell like hot cakes . . . IMAGE. I confess to being one of the folks who totally digs LOOKING at Ducatis . . . have owned one . . . have ridden a few. My concern, in the real world, still comes back to the pain in the butt of owning and riding one. Frankly, in my mind, it is an exercise in tolerance and compromise. Buell too has some of these issues. . . just much fewer and more easily resolved. Who do you call when you want a part for your 1998 Monster and find it's obsolete? I admire the styling, love the Tri-colore 1098 the kid who works for me bought and the MH900E Hailwood that Vick's cousin bought. . . but they ride like 50 miles a month. I prefer to get on a bike before the sunrises and come home after it sets. It's largely a matter of personal preference. . . I also enjoy the fact that the Monster and the new BMW's were designed by classmates at the same design school in the United States . . . the world capital of motorcycle design. |
