| Author | Message | ||
     Bill0351 |
I just went out to implement the advice I was given on adjusting my primary. The checking went easy enough. It's out of spec at just about 1 1/8 inch of freeplay. When I went to adjust it, I looked under the case and there isn't the chain adjuster screw and locknut that the factory manual shows. Instead, there is a round headed cap screw that was completely bottomed out into a nylon washer. I put a small amount of torque on the screw to see if it would move, but it didn't. I could loosen it, but not tighten it. WTF? What should have been an easy adjustment has me totally confused. Is the primary non-adjustable on the '02 Cyclone? Or, is this some non-factory mod that was done to clearance the V&H pipe? Any help would be appreciated. Bill | ||
| Buellistic |
Bill0351: By your description someone has put a Hayden M-6 Primary Chain Adjuster in ... They work fine if you are going forward, "BUT" IF YOU USE THE ENGINE AS A BRAKE, AS IN GEARING DOWN, THE PRIMARY CHAIN COMPRESSES THE TENSION SPRING ALLOWING THE PRIMARY CHAIN TO HIT THE CASES WHICH MAKES A RATTLING SOUND ... IMHO the OEM Primary Chain Adjuster has the most control of the chain tension which should be adjusted to 3/4 inch play on the chain tight spot ... In BUELLing LaFayette | ||
| Bill0351 |
AHHH! And I have just taken a Hayden M-6 primary (non) tensioner out! Thanks for the heads up! It looks like it didn't line up with the chain properly and that created a burr. That burr then made it so the tensioner wouldn't slide up and down anymore. The result is a sloppy chain that made tons of noise and chewed up the inside of the primary cover. I guess it is off to Appleton HD on Monday to get or order the OEM replacement parts. I wish our local HD dealer in Green Bay was better, but McCoy has to be in contention for the worst dealer in the country. I also need to get a new gasket since whoever put the M6 in there used a paper one. They also must have pounded the shifter seal in with a rock because of how buggered up it was when I took it out. Oh well... It was a nice night of wrenching, and a rattling noise like I was hearing could have ended up being a lot more expensive than what it turned out to be. Bill | ||
| Guell |
lafayette, does the new improved tensioner just bolt in without removing the chain? i have one sitting in my garage and was curious. | ||
| Ratbuell |
You usually can't replace the tensioner unless your chain is reallllly stretched. You have to move the tensioner up like you're tensioning the chain, in order to remove it. Usually if I put the chain full-loose I can get the clutch basket off and pull the adjuster that way, without having to mess with the stator. | ||
| Bluzm2 |
No need to remove ths chain, just back off the tensioner and remove the cover. On occasion, I've had to pull the cover a tad and use a plastic stick to lift the chain. That was on one of the old style tensioners that was really worn. | ||
| Smoke |
bill, just ask your local dealer for a same year sportster primary chain tensioner and primary gasket and maybe shifter shaft seal, then ride the bike to Appleton. dress warm!!! tim | ||
| Buellistic |
Guell: There was nothing wrong with the SHOE ASM. PN 39970-91(one in your 97 Model) if the PRIMARY CHAIN was adjusted properly, "BUT" the H-D technicians did know(as far as "i" know they still do not) how to adjust the PRIMARY CHAIN correctly, so to off set this problem the Motor Company just made a STRONGER "SHOE ASM. PN 39975-90A !!! To replace it you only have to remove your Primary Chain Cover to install it ... IF IT IS BROKEN YOU NEED TO REPLACE IT AND THE ONLY WAY TO FIND OUT IS BROKEN YOU HAVE TO REMOVE THE PRIMARY CHAIN COVER ... In BUELLing LaFayette | ||
| Guell |
thanks again, i have the gasket and the shoe, guess its time to remove the cover. | ||
| Cyclonecharlie |
Matt, How you coming with the primary cover? Im in Minnesota (Maple Grove), be back on wed. if you get in a bind we can put it on the lift...Charlie | ||
| Guell |
Havnt started on it yet Charlie, ive been sick for the last few days and wasnt up to opening it up yet. Ill let ya know. Matt | ||
| Ratbuell |
A tip for when you have the cover off - the bolts are different lengths based on where they go in the cover. I kept an old gasket for any time I have the cover off, and put the bolt in its location on the old gasket as soon as I take it out of the bike, so I'm not trying to put a long bolt in a short hole or vice versa at reassembly time. | ||
| Onahog |
Definetly get the updated thicker plate adjuster ...While yer in there, check to see if ya got the updated shifter Cam...HB | ||
| Onahog |
Also, the Muller EZ clutch kit is a definit bonus to add as well..Hb | ||
| Bluzm2 |
Charlie, You're in Maple Grove? That's my stomping grounds! Where about the Grove are you? We need to grab a burger and or beer sometime soon! Brad | ||
| Bill0351 |
Matt, I just put my bike back together after replacing the Hayden M-POS-6 with the OEM tensioner. The only real trick to the whole repair was getting the gasket to line up. Once I relaxed and thought that one out, even that wasn't that tough. Any complications were courtesy of whoever put that M-6 in there. The threads on the Hayden were badly buggered up and chewed up the adjusting boss. I spent at least 1/2 hour chasing those threads and deciding whether they needed a helicoil. Whoever put in the shifter shaft seal had pounded it in crooked so it cut a big ridge into the recess in the primary cover. It took another 1/2 hour with emery paper on the end of a pencil to repair that. All in all.... That M-6 cost me about $60.00 and 4 hours of my life to remove. Of course, I got to do the repair myself which was pretty cool, and I like to wrench. The repair went well. Without any complications, I bet you could get it done in 2 hours easy. Good luck. I hope it goes well for you. Bill | ||
| Cyclonecharlie |
Brad,(Bluzm2) Didn't know there was anybody nearby,I was only there for the weekend. I live in SC. My younger son lives in Maple Grove, Jonquil St.(I think) He does software development of some sort. You live in a really nice place(Maple Grove)But you need open season on those Canadian Geese, what a mess those things make.LOL I should be coming back when the Tundra thaws, around March(spring break for the grandkids)I'll take you up on the burger and beer.......Charlie | ||
| Bluzm2 |
Charlie, Look me up when your back in town. I was really confused by some of your comments above then checking your profile and seeing SC. Then came the Maple Grove part. Too much to figure out late at night.... Does your son ride? Does he also have Buell desease? Brad | ||
| Cyclonecharlie |
Brad, My younger son is strickly a cager. We burnt him out on bikes when he was little.Too much hauling him from race track to race track. My older son and I still do the dirt track stuff, but much smaller scale....Charlie | ||
| Standingdeadwood |
I'm always a day late. I just put in a Hayden M-6. Haven't ridden the bike yet, but I do have one tip when replacing the primary gasket. Cut two pieces of 1/4"-20 all thread about three inches long. Thread these into the holes with the dowel pin bushings at each end of the case. Slide the dowel pin bushings over the all thread and then the gasket. This will hold the gasket in place while putting the primary cover on. After the primary cover is bolted in place, then slide the shifter shaft seal on and seat it with the appropriate size deep well socket. Remove the all thread and install the last two screws. I have heard good things about the automatic chain tensioner from Harley guys, but if I hear noise I'll put the OEM back in. | ||
| Bill0351 |
After seeing what the M6 was doing inside my primary, and after seeing all the negative posts on this site, my advice would be to just take the M-6 out before you even fire the thing up. Why install a time-bomb into a perfectly good bike? I don't know how you ride, but I like road trips. I sure don't want to hear the death noises of a Hayden M-6 when it's a Sunday afternoon and I am 300 miles from home. Besides, setting the tension manually was simple. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
Do those M6 things work at all? I mean in normal sportsters. | ||
| Blake |
Wrong question. The issue is that they fail to perform as advertised causing problems all too often, yes, including on Sportsters. Does each and every one end up causing trouble? No. | ||
| Rich |
I ran a M-6 for years, had no trouble with it, it worked well. A friend had told me to put both springs in, and I did. When I replaced a shift fork, years later, I found that the springs had weakened enough that the chain was hitting the inside of the cover. I removed it and replaced it with the original '91 shoe, which is in it right now. | ||
| Buellistic |
All BUELLers do not ride the same due to rider experance ... So some of these will break or cause trouble while others are trouble free ... Rick is correct on the TWO SPRINGS,"BUT" the DIRECTIONS do not say this !!! The average ride would not have a clue to do this ??? The rule to go by is, "IF IT IS NOT IN A RACE ENGINE YOU SHOULD LEAVE WELL ENOUGH ALONE !!!" .... In BUELLing LaFayette |
