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Birdy
| | Posted on Monday, November 05, 2007 - 05:08 pm: | 
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Froggy the more I look at the photos the more I am amazed you weren't hurt worse. Looking at you helmet is a good case for ATGATT.
Birdy |
Court
| | Posted on Monday, November 05, 2007 - 05:33 pm: |
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>>>Court, technically it’s not the shock that broke, it was the swing arm.
I agree.
>>>I'm aware of that covers freakish failures like this.
I'm unaware of any "freakish failure". I'm trying to see how this differs from the uato accident that my cousin was in and they found the driveshaft broken. I think we've got cause and effect reversed.
I don't know, but frankly no one else does either. There is a FAR GREATER probability that the CRASH caused the broken swingarm than a braken swingarm caused a crash.
>>>but I got nothing compared to you Court.
Two different bikes, two differnet designs. On the tuber frame bike a shock failure allows the rear tire to come in contact with the rear inner fender. Of course, all I was thinking was the plastic oil resevoir and waiting for the spin to start. It's unrelated to skill for the most part. As a pilot, I precaticed recovery from "unusual attitudes" and there is some of the same techniques involved. . . in terms of recovery sequence. For the most part it's a frantic effort to save your ass.
Wearing all the gear all the time is always smart. . . I'm still ad advocate of your insurnace being predicated on being geared up.
Get recovered quickly . . . I know where there are more bikes. |
Newfie_buell
| | Posted on Monday, November 05, 2007 - 06:27 pm: |
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Didn't the old tube frame bikes have a shock eye recall at some point.
If there is a flat spot and signs of the shock mount breaking chances are that could be the cause.
No matter how experienced we are freakish things happen. |
Spiderman
| | Posted on Monday, November 05, 2007 - 06:43 pm: |
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If it looks like it had been yanked, IE it looks like pulled taffy it was a result of the crash.
If it looks clean and pours like a volcano rock or the rocks that used to be in gas grills then it may have caused the accident or it may have been a coincidence, that happened at the same time.
It is hard to say and I am not a expert and I wasn't there. Nor have I seen any pics regarding this case. I will leave it to the Pros, just my 2 cents. |
X1glider
| | Posted on Monday, November 05, 2007 - 07:23 pm: |
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Judging by this statement by Froggy:
"I was still pulling away from a light and was only doing about 50mph at the time, when the bike suddenly went into a skid, and i low-sided.
I'd say the shock had something to do with his crash. What else, besides a locked up tranny or a piece of rebar shoved through his spokes would do this?
Another statement by him:
I take a closer look at the bike and i noticed that the rear shock broke off from the swing-arm and was stuck against the tire, therefor acting like a brake.
Since the tire was rolling forward, this would appear to have guided the shock between the inside of the swing arm and tire, as he said, acting like a (wedge) brake. Perfect for locking up a wheel and sending him into a skid. |
Damnut
| | Posted on Monday, November 05, 2007 - 09:39 pm: |
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Froggy..... if you decide to buy you bike back I can help you put it back together. I totally wrecked my bike 2 years ago and put it back together with NO problems. I have no problems coming out on weekends and giving you a hand fixing it up.
Here's what it looked like after the crash......
what those pictures don't show is the rear subframe that is snapped at the frame. there was A LOT more damage than you can see in those pics. It's not that hard to put them back together and it's much cheaper than any just about any other bike out there.
and after putting it back together......
The one good thing about rebuilding your bike is you can build it the way YOU want it built. |
Nevrenuf
| | Posted on Monday, November 05, 2007 - 09:57 pm: |
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keep up the good spirits there froggy. at least your young enough to recover quicker. my foot is still a little swollen(had trouble getting on the engineers boots over the weekend. trying to get the other boot repaired) plus my shoulder is still out of wack. but you still haven't told my of the 2nd mishap. and if you do try and keep the bike, the only thing i have for an xb is the heal guards. there yours if you want them. |
Tod662
| | Posted on Monday, November 05, 2007 - 10:45 pm: |
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I feel there have been several statements made in this thread that are aimed towards corporate damage control. Moreover I feel that most members of this community would be chastised for making equivocal testimony,(my problem isn't with the expertise shared but with the tone I perceive as to be stating that there is a zero percent chance that this was a mechanical failure) remind me to tell you the rest of my unsubstantiated theory someday. |
Spiderman
| | Posted on Monday, November 05, 2007 - 10:59 pm: |
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What else, besides a locked up tranny or a piece of rebar shoved through his spokes would do this?
Locked up rear caliper...
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Diablobrian
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2007 - 12:07 am: |
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There are many ways to lock up a motorcycle's rear wheel. Why don't we leave it to the people
that have actually laid eyes on it?
Everything else is just guessing and people are getting worked up over it. If Froggy wants
ideas on what may have happened it's one thing, but unsolicited advice (yes, even mine)
is causing more harm than good in this case.
Heal up quickly Froggy and hopefully you'll be able to swing a deal on a bike to get you
back on two (Buell) wheels! If I can help in any way let me know. |
Sanchez
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2007 - 07:49 am: |
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Even if it was the tranny or rear caliper that locked up the back tire and not the shock, it's still a mechanical failure that shouldn't have occurred, yeah? The shock mount is just the most unusual of the possibilities. |
Sanchez
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2007 - 07:54 am: |
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> Why don't we leave it to the people that have actually laid eyes on it?
Because wild speculation is the whole purpose of the internet!  Personally, I think George Bush fired a missile into Froggy's rear tire to cast doubt on Buell in preparation for an invasion of Wisconsin. |
Spiderman
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2007 - 08:33 am: |
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Everything else is just guessing and people are getting worked up over it.
Thank you DB, that is a great point. Starting to put mechanical blame into this without actually seeing or handling said parts and calling for someones head is just plane stupid.
But I like Sanchez'e guess best.
"George Bush doesn't care about Froggy people!"
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Coal400
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2007 - 08:51 am: |
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^
Hey... Its Austin Powers. Call 1-800... Hyeaaa Baby, Hyeaaa  |
Froggy
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2007 - 08:53 pm: |
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Damnut, I thought about your bike first after starting to consider the options. I was hoping the insurance was going to fix it and I can use it as an excuse for things like the new blue rims, chrome sprocket, micron exhaust, and 08 forks and so on.
I have my mom and dad helping me out with this and they called the insurance and were told $2500 for the bike, but the insurance guy told them that the bike isn’t worth fixing. He mentioned something about it leaking gas after he fired it up and also that the estimate to repair the bike was $10k. I am going to call them back and try to get a list of what he said needs fixing, because I don’t see how that is even possible. I am going to try and get someone to come with me to look at the bike and do our own estimate, because I assume the list included little things that were beat up off roading like the mirrors.
Nevrenuf, I had a minor spill a week before this wreck. I hit a slick spot getting on the highway right next to my dealer. Next to no damage, just bent the brake lever and ruined a fork slider. I hope you get better soon.
Sanchez, they don’t have missiles that can keep up with me. |
Nevrenuf
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2007 - 09:58 pm: |
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i hope you do the same froggy.
you should try and talk them down from the 2500. they have no use for that bike and unless they own a buell, they have no idea what they have. and one day maybe they will come up with a missle that can keep up with ya. |
Ulywife
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2007 - 10:06 pm: |
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Froggy - our original estimate for Carlos' Uly was 7 pages long and totaled $7,200. As you said, they had EVERYTHING on the estimate that had the smallest scratch on it. Hell, they even had the tires on the estimate. I marked stuff off left and right and I think we spent maybe $1,500 in parts (minus bags) and had it back up and running. Consider all your options and decide what works best for you.
Unlike Neil, we didn't have any problems from our insurance carrier about it being a totaled bike. Of course, the state has sent us the original title. Who knows what it will be if we ever decide to sell it. |
Damnut
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2007 - 11:26 pm: |
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Froggy.. If you need someone to go down and to get a second look at the bike with you, just let me know. I don't need much of an excuse to take a ride on my bike.
You would be AMAZED how little you actually need to spend to rebuild these bikes. I could almost bet that you could fix your bike with no problems. I did an endo with mine at ~55 mph, yea she flipped a couple times. That was at 5K, my bike has over 21K on it now.
Like Neil said, try to talk them down a little. |
Crusty
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2007 - 06:33 am: |
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I just read this thread for the first time.
Froggy; I'm glad you're going to be O.K. Whether you decide to fix the bike, or figure a way to get another bike, I'm looking forward to the day when I can show you the place to get a great burger. (This time I'm buying) |
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