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M1combat
| | Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 01:45 pm: | 
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"I guess it would be preferable that we pretend that didn't happen and just ship the early belts?!"
When in Rome...
That's what everybody ELSE does Anony...
The LEAST you could do is what everybody else does...
J/K ;). |
Spatten1
| | Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 02:00 pm: |
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The new ISO9000 system is completely different than the earlier consistency-based version. ISO is now based on customer satisfaction
That is good to hear on two fronts. First, ISO recognized the shortcomings in their certification. And, more importantly, that Buell is performing well under such system. |
Court
| | Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 02:59 pm: |
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>>>"I guess it would be preferable that we pretend that didn't happen and just ship the early belts?!"
Try telling that to Erik Buell.
HINT: Do it from a distance and make certain the stapler is not within his reach.
Not gonna happen. |
Jaimec
| | Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 05:36 pm: |
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Here's a good one for you: According to a friend of mine, the reason there is a rash of reports of belts snapping is that all the "good" Kevlar is being snapped up to create body armor for our troops overseas, leaving the "crap" Kevlar for civilian use... |
Ratbuell
| | Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 05:52 pm: |
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...are there "grades" of kevlar? I thought it was a fiber; the weave is where you get strength.
Given the option...if it's true, I'll keep snapping belts until our troops come home.
Oh, wait...I haven't snapped one yet. Sorry. |
Bob_thompson
| | Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 06:24 pm: |
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Just some insight from actual experience. I once bought Kevlar fishing line for casting and after a season of the line being in the sun it had deteriorated to the point where it snapped with my first cast loosing a nice bait. I understand LEO's are supposed to keep their vests in the trunk of their patrol cars out of sunlight. One of Kevlar's problems.There are other microfibers that are not prone to this happening like micro-dynema (sp) to name one. Just maybe the original Buell belts used the old technology with Kevlar and it was the reason for some failures in that bikes are in the sun a lot. Not for our troops to worry though, the manufacturers are probably using the new fibers and the flak vests are under cover of outer garments mostly as is the composite plates they use. Any fiber engineers out there with comments? Bob |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 06:39 pm: |
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Kevlar is a trade name for a particular brand of aramid fiber. Buell/Goodyear does not use Kevlar in the final drive belt construction. Same thing only different... |
Slaughter
| | Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 06:45 pm: |
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Besides - WHATEVER fiber - Kevlar, Twaron, Spectra, Dyneema - in a belt they are ALL encased in BLACK material - therefore assuming a carbon-black filler - NONE of the fibers are exposed to UV. Carbon BLOCKS Ultraviolet.
I work with this materials stuff all the time - but am ONLY an observer/rider of things belted. |
Doerman
| | Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 07:20 pm: |
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I wonder.....
Will the Buell 1125R be the most powerful commercially produced belt final drive motorcycle?
If so.. that must yield some bragging right for the belt supplier. |
Spatten1
| | Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 08:04 pm: |
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Doerman,
As far as I know, no one has ever used a belt on a motorcycle that makes modern sportbike power.
I think that is the reason for concern by some. |
Smadd
| | Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 10:55 pm: |
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From Motorcycle.com's Boss Hoss (502HP, 567 ft-lb) review:
"power to the rear wheel via a wide Gates belt. Still worried about the belt on your 90hp Buell wearing out? Boss Hoss describes the belt as "bulletproof"."
No... not a sport bike... but that's probably pretty much power put to a belt... doncha think? Stop worrying about the belt. |
Imonabuss
| | Posted on Monday, October 29, 2007 - 11:42 pm: |
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Oh my, and no one else building sportbikes puts fuel in the frame, or oil in the swingarm or uses as an ISO single disc, or an 8 piston caliper, or makes 155 RWHP out of a Sportster engine, or uses an underslung exhaust (whoops, cross that one out)...
"Lions and tigers and bears, oh my!" |
Doerman
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 12:00 am: |
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I have these quote to offer in all of this:
"Anxiety must be abandoned. The disappointments hardest to bear are those which never come."
..and here's another one:
"Progress demands development of individuality; mediocrity seeks perpetuation in standardization"
Authors unknown
(Message edited by doerman on October 30, 2007) |
M1combat
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 01:06 am: |
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"Lions and tigers and bears, oh my!""
LOL  |
Xb984r
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 01:20 am: |
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Imonabuss,few things.No other sportbike manufacturer has needed to put the oil in the swingarm,and the 1125 doesn't have oil in the swingarm.As for fuel in the frame,that is definitely an advantage on a bike with a V-Twin.I sure wouldn't call the XBRR engine a "Sportster Engine",would you,in fact I have seen many state the contrary when it came to the XB engine,let alone the XBRR engine.Other sportbikes have 2 calipers so no need for eight piston calipers.Buell has a brake setup they like and many people like it's performance as do many people who have the typical 2 disk setup.I like the belt on my 03 and have never had a problem with them breaking,even without the belt guards. |
Trojan
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 05:30 am: |
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Sorry, but fixing the chain when you are sitting in the chicane watching the race wind down is not an option. And if you go to a track without a spare belt or a spare chain, you are a fool or a moocher (even worse!).
My point was not that you can fix the chain at the side of the track during a race, which you obviously cannot, neither can you fix a belt in the same circumstances. What I meant was that in a normal club racing scenario you will have a number of races each day and it is very easy to fit a replacement chain between races and extremely easy to obtain one if you happen to need one. Even if you broke 6 chains in a weekend (and there really would be something wrong there!) you could still buy as many replacements as you need at the track.
BTW, The reason that we didn't have a spare belt that day was that not one UK dealer had the correct belt in stock when I tried to buy one (06 Ulysses) prior to the race in question. Unfortunately waiting the 2 weeks for a backorder wasn't an option for us. I was lucky to get the replacement I got 100 miles away because the dealer obligingly took it from a showroom bike for me. |
Jaimec
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 07:17 am: |
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Matt, good to see I'm not the ONLY one who has to wait two weeks for parts to get ordered... |
Rick_a
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 09:03 am: |
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quote:Perhaps it's because a lot of Buell riders come from H-D and want everything to stay the same?
Harley's have continual development like anyone else. They just tend to look much the same. |
Valmacmiami
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 05:31 pm: |
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Just ordered new 1125r from HD Miami
I am number three on list wonder when they will deliver
I am not home until December away playing in the sand at present. |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 05:34 pm: |
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Val,
The elves here will have your Christmas present for you as soon as we can! Take care over there. |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 06:44 pm: |
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quote:whoops! Cross that one off.
LOL! That about sums it up. |
M_singer
| | Posted on Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 09:37 pm: |
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I think that the v-8 powered Boss Hoss http://www.bosshoss.net/Default.asp would be the most powerful belt driven motorcycle. |
Bearly
| | Posted on Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 10:24 pm: |
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Valmacmiami,
Dude, thanks for serving and fighting for our safety. Be safe yourself. Hope to ride with you some day on our 1125r's! |
