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     Stealthxb  |
Nice avatar Ebear!!! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Blake |
I second that Eric! It's one reason why I'm willing to part with some of my hard earned money. Even Hals and Kosko, and the other more familiar teams are not getting anywhere near the level of support that say HRC is providing for Miguel's team. It really is amazing to see the Buell dealership teams out there dicing it up with the HRC teams. For the guys like Walt who are doing it for the pure love of racing, it's even more impressive and more gratifying to see. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Ebear  |
Here's a few I found on my Computer at work!   The Gratuitous Umbrella Girl Shot...  Go Walt!! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| José_quiñones  |
Blake, I think that instead of doing a whole AMA season, it might be better to only offer contingency at selected AMA and FUSA events, with higher payouts. For the AMA, do the three events where there will already be a Buell fan base via BRAG: Daytona Laguna Seca and Road America. For FUSA, either the Spring or Fall Daytona Events would be good, Summit Point or VIR would be good too, but I'm biased toward those two tracks cause they are the closest to me. just a thought | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Macbuell  |
Blake, put me down for $100. This is a great idea and I am happy to lend my support. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| SouthernMarine  |
Put me in for $100, just need to know who, where, to mail it in to. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Rex  |
yep, go ahead and give us a place to send the money to, and what you want the check to made out to...REX | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Smoke |
i think that ama fx has the most exposure potential for badweb if brought to the attention of the right audience. tim | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Timbo  |
Put me in for $100 too. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Newxb9er  |
Blake, put me in for a $100.00. I've been slipping. Didn't see this thread!! Just get me the details!! Good luck!! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Blake |
JQ, Could sure use your help. You up for it? Based upon the fact that you and a true Buell enthusiast I respect have suggested the exact same scenario, I figure it might be worth looking into. The AMA will not administer such a program. We'd have to do it through the track management. To tell you the truth, for the ease of arrangements and the deal for tickets, I think the AMA route is the way to go for now. I would like to raise some more support though. It would be nice to get enough to lay out some serious awards for each race. Am waiting for a sponsor to step up and join the effort.  And it sure doesn't take $50 or $100 to help out, if that is too tough on the budget, please don't be shy about offering whatever you can. Five Buell enthusiasts giving $20 each is as good at one giving $100 as far as the fund is concerned. It sure would be cool to be able to say that we have 1,000 contributors. Come on guys!  Let's show the world how much we dig our Buells. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Blake |
I have a better quality photo of Walt. Wanna see it? Here it is.  | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Ethanr  |
Re a logo, what about something simple, like  I'm sure some of the graphics gurus on this board could make something simple look great! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Blake |
Logo Topic... http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/4062/10272.html | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Court |
Morning Blake, glad to see I am not the only one who rises at 3:00AM! I have an idea . . . We've now passed the hat the first round at the $100, dandy. I'm thinking back to Econ 101 and the theory of elasticity. Perhaps at the $25 level we can draw a bigger crowd. Anyway, Let's try starting a round of $25 pledges....put me down for the first $25 pledge. I like Jose's idea about the 3 races. Jose', give us your thoughts on which three. Court | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Smoke |
i can go for 2 $25 pledges, also. i like even numbers. tim | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| José_quiñones |
I quote myself again from above to answer Court's question
Blake what kind of help do you need? Making phone calls, etc? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Jerry_haughton  |
Blake, a favor? the $100 that you show for me in the tally is actually a joint contribution from both myself and Denise. as such, would you change the name to "Jerry and Denise", please? thanks. and to make it worth your while, we'll each chip in $75, making our combined contribution $150. keep up the great work, i like José's idea, and GO BUELL!!! FB&D | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Reepicheep  |
I'm in for $25. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Walt221 |
Thanks everybody for the kind words. The pics look cool as well. I am planning on being at Laguna Seca, as long as they race the Formula Xtreme class there. That is still in doubt at the moment. I hope by the time the AMA decides, all the hotel rooms in the area won't be sold out! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Ebear |
Being a MotoGP weekend that already happened...However I know of somebody with 3 rooms that might not be able to come....I'll call once the Sun rises...  | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Blublak  |
While I understand Joses point about the races, I still think we should put up for the whole series. I know, it's 11 races, and on the surface the amounts seem small. Using the total at the top as I type this, it's $563 per race. If we use the 'basic' idea for the formula we'd talked about earlier.. It would look something like this.. First Buell Across the Line (no podium) $200 Second Buell Across the Line (no podium) $150 Third Buell Across the Line (no podium) $100 Leaving $113 for that race unpaid - That money is now rolled into the 'points leader' fund for the leading Buell rider at the end of the season. Now we add a $75 premium for the podium. First Bike - Say, $50 for second podium, and $25 for third podium. Still leaving us some money for the points pool. Of course, if there are no Buells racing in a given race.. then that money rolls into the points pool. That way pay-outs for each preceding and consecutive race will remain constant. Ok, where am I going with this? Over a period of time, there is more chance for more Buell teams/riders to get something from us, thereby supporting more Buell racing. On the other hand, if say "Blakes' BadWeb Buell Race Team" leads all other Buells' racing for 7 races.. even if they don't podium, they will still get the lions share of the money. As opposed to say, they enter one race, take 1/3 of all the money and never appear again this season. For me, it's more about helping encourage MORE racing, not just select tracks here and there. Phew.. ok, I'm done commenting for now.. Thoughts? Later, | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Ebear |
Blake ....I think the Idea of selected AMA races gives us the best exposure and the best purse amounts per race....Unless this pot gets alot bigger....Then Blublaks idea looks better! just my 2 cents! (Message edited by ebear on January 26, 2005) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Josh_  |
I'm in for at least $25 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Loki  |
Put me in the hat for a $50. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Ingemar |
FWIW, I like Blubak's idea. We're not done raising money yet so the pot is still growing. Until now we are averaging over a 100 bucks a person, but that's not a fixed requirement. 10 or 15 bucks will do just fine I think. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Blake |
JQ, If you could get in touch with the folks at Daytona and ascertain what might be possible in the way of contingency or other awards through them outside of dealing with AMAPR, that would be great. Peter (Blublak) and all interested parties, AMAPR requires a minimum available payout of $500 per race, with a minimum available payout of $1,000 per event (comprising all four AMAPR series). Most contingencies of course span all four series or at least two out of Superbike, Superstock, Supersport, and Formula Xtreme. AMAPR has been kind enough to waive the $1,000/event requirement for us since we are only interested in offering an award for the FX series races. I kinda like the idea of offering some added incentive for placing well and if that award goes unearned then rolling it over to the next race. By mid-season we could have a very significant purse built up. By season's end it could be very significant. Just a thought is all. I'm hopeful that our fund drive will continue to generate enthusiastic interest and get us up to at least the $1,000 per race level of funded/endowed contingency award. Then we might consider the following awards scenario... Maybe something like $500 for the top Podium finishing Buell in addition to the normal awards? In the case where there is no Buell racer on the podium, the $500 rolls over to the next race making it a $1,000 award for the top podium Buell and so on and so forth through the entire season. Conceivably by the end of the season, the top podium Buell award could be as high •••••,500. If the top podium Buell award goes unearned all season, we roll it or part of it over to the next year's series. Daytona '06 could then commence with as much as a $6,000 award for the top finishing Buell in a podium position (top three). Hmmm... just got word from AMAPR that they currently have no existing program to describe the rolling-over of contingency awards, but the AMAPR representative who contacted me is going to see what they can do. Stay tuned on that then. I hate to say this because it basically entails betting against the Buell racers, but we could probably offer some serious awards for podium positions, as they are not likely to be earned on a regular or even frequent basis this year by Buell racers. Man it hurts to say that.  The point that it is never the case that all of a contingency fund's total possible awards are payed out was raised by the AMAPR representative as well. If for instance Yamaha were to advertise a $10M AMAPR racer contingency program, they would not expect nor ever actually pay out that entire sum. To do so, Yamaha racers would need to sweep through whatever finishing position the awards program is stated to cover and in every single race. Best case (for the racers) would be more like one Yamaha in the top three with another in the top five, and a couple more in the top ten, so only four out of the top ten positions, and that would be extremely unlikely. Anyway, you hopefully get the idea. As an example here follows a press release by Husqvarna; note the extreme $11M figure:
Obviously they don't expect to pay out even a majority of that program's total possible award. Along those lines, and just throwing out some wild arse guessing, we might offer the following for outright Buell finishes...
Again, the above is just a crazy wild illustration. Way too risky to sign up too with only $10K, though maybe not if we had $20K of pledges. Such an award plan for eleven races would comprise a contingency program worth $107,250 where we most likely end up actually awarding $20,000 or so. Do we have any actuaries here who would be willing to help evaluate this issue? Here's another example, this time from KTM:
Keep the comments coming. Do we want to plan to award all funds this year, or do we want to establish an endowment where at some point we won't have to contribute any further unless we want to increase the awards or scope? Thank all. I'm now off to update the tally sheet. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Wyckedflesh  |
Blake, I know I haven't kicked in yet but finances at the moment are beyond extremely tight. BUT a possible suggestion is offer the $500 for a podium finishing Buell OR $250 for the highest placing Buell with the remainder being a roll over. So if the highest finishing Buell at Daytona is 5th they get $250 but at the next race there is $750 available for a podium finish or $375 for the highest finisher. Do a half deal if there isn't a podium finisher. I know its dependant on the roll over deal, but still I think it shows that even in a Buell doesn't hit the podium we are still showing our willingness to help out with a smaller contingency for the highest finisher. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| M1combat  |
I like the idea of a roll-over, but I'm not so sure we should place any roll-over points on a podium finish. How about lowering that to top 7-8 (just ahead of where they have been in the past). Anyone finishing behind those positions will not receive anything, and that money rolls over to be paid to the highest finisher at the next race (as long as they finish above the roll-over position). I think as it pans out, this will end up giving the highest finishers a good portion of the money. Maybe we could roll all of the unclaimed money into a podium pot... Where it just sits there until someone finishes in the top three and then they claim it. If that never happens, then the top finisher for the series takes it. I think we would see the Buells really going after podium finishes about mid season (once that pot gets attractive) if we did that. I always liked the old F1 points system where a win was worth 10 points and second was worth 6. It placed a real premium on a win (which in our case should be scaled back to a good finish IMO) but if you were consistent enough with good finishes, you could still get enough points for a championship (as long as no one was dominating with wins every weekend of course). | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Blake |
Would you please put those scenarios into a rules based format that the AMA can publish and racers will understand? |
