| Author | Message | ||
     Hughlysses |
Posted on their official Facebook page this week:  | ||
| Cmmagnussen |
Uhhh.... April Fool's? | ||
| Twirlin |
still fairly vague, but I'll choose to hope. | ||
| Stevel |
I wish they would quit screwing around and get out of the way. We need a list of their parts suppliers. | ||
| Johndd |
Whoever is doing their Facebook has indicated the following: “We are still an operational business. Licensed EPA & CARB 2018 & We actually just finished our 2019 application to EPA.” I thought they got rid of all production equipment.... | ||
| Hughlysses |
I think the production equipment mostly consisted of carts and similar equipment to make mass production efficient. All the components are provided by outside suppliers. If they were to only build limited quantities of new bikes, they may not need that stuff, at least not at first. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
As good as it is, if they are still pushing the SX and RX then I doubt things will go any different. | ||
| Crusty |
If EBR does make a comeback and if they build a Black Lightning, I'll go nuts trying to figure out how to come up with the money to buy one. And if I do figure out how buy one, I'll go nuts trying to figure out how to mount Hepco & Becker Junior bags to it. And if I do get that hurdle jumped, I'll go nuts trying to come up with the money to ride it to Tuktoyaktuk. It probably helps that I'm nuts already. For me, it would be a dream come true to ride a bike like that to the Arctic Ocean. However, having raised my hopes each time there's been a comeback, I don't think it'll happen; as much as I'd like it to. (Message edited by Crusty on July 10, 2018) | ||
| Twirlin |
Crusty, that's a lof of "ifs"....but sadly, I'm right there with ya. I want to believe, I just am not sure I can confidently do so. Court, I wish I knew what you knew when you mention what's in their cards.... | ||
| Hughlysses |
As good as it is, if they are still pushing the SX and RX then I doubt things will go any different. Erik mentioned a medium weight new bike several times, and Steve Anderson provided additional details in a couple of posts here. Sounds like it would be a competitor to the KTM 790 Duke and Yamaha FZ-09. According to a quote attributed to Erik in Cycle World a few years ago it was nearly ready for production prior to the first shut down in 2015. | ||
| Jaimec |
Stop teasing me. It's not nice. | ||
| Mnscrounger |
My only insight to what might have been, and could still be, was when I picked up the DDB bike from the auction. The rep from LAP referenced a boxful of starters as, "for a bike we never produced". It made me wonder why you would need an entire box of EBR part numbered starters if you were just evaluating them for a future model. An outside possibility could be the short run of 250cc Hero bikes mentioned by an anonymous insider posting earlier on these forums. Another possibility could be there actually might be a fair amount of inventory for a limited run of an as yet unreleased EBR bike. That would explain why truckloads of stuff went to Michigan, ostensibly to support the roughly only 1300 bikes built. Fingers crossed, but I doubt Erik would be a part of a re release. He seems to have shifted his focus on to the next corner. Oh and Crusty, the 1190SCG is listed on their 2018 CARB certificate....... | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
Id love to see a middle weight bike to compete with the FZ09 etc Something more upright position, some power but not insane, and similar price point. They release it right now I'd sign up (depending on style, though Ive loved everything so far Buell/EBR has done minus the Hero transformers looking ones). But Im not holding my breath on it. | ||
| 1313 |
The latest news from LAP! Yeah I gotta admit, it's kinda like a Rickroll... It's just the latest LAP liquidation auction of some 'Famous' motorcycle business... Seriously what does LAP (who owns the EBR brand) know about what H-D is going to do with the Buell brand (which, if anyone remembers, is owned by H-D)? | ||
| Hughlysses |
Seriously what does LAP (who owns the EBR brand) know about what H-D is going to do with the Buell brand (which, if anyone remembers, is owned by H-D)? I'd guess both the questioner and the responder made the common mistake of considering Buell and EBR to be the same company. | ||
| Johndd |
Another cryptic message on EBR Facebook: Operation 35 - 1 Operation 35 - 6 | ||
| Hughlysses |
^ I saw that this weekend. Somebody responded that "Operation 35" referred to the first atomic bomb that was dropped. That's the only guess I've even seen. If so, that could be extremely promising. Hope springs eternal. | ||
| Jaimec |
Stop teasing me. It's not nice. | ||
| Rsh |
Very few people purchased EBR RX/SX bikes at full price. People jumped on board when prices were drastically reduced, what will be different this time if in fact EBR starts production again? The majority on this board do not seem to want a sportbike and clamor for a Uly replacement or sub 1000cc offering. Unless EBR goes on an entirely different route and has secured a lot of operating capital I unfortunately do not see much hope in a resurrection. | ||
| Hughlysses |
The one promising EBR design that never saw the light of day was their middle weight new bike. Shortly after the original closure in 2016 (?), Erik was quoted in Cycle World as saying this bike was months away from being ready for production. LAP hinted this bike would be shown at the motorcycle shows in early 2017, but they shut down motorcycle production before that happened and didn't go to the two winter 2017 shows. Steve Anderson has provided very interesting details about the bike here in several posts. It would be similar in size and power to the KTM Duke 800 but likely better on both counts. A bike like that might have what it would take to revive the company, but it would have some major hurdles to cross. It would have to get insanely great reviews, the price would have to be right, and the dealership network would have to be rebuilt from scratch, a gargantuan task given their history. IIRC, LAP posted on Facebook that they have renewed the EPA and DOT certifications for EBR for next year, so they can theoretically, at least from a legal standpoint, go back into production any time they chose. All it would take is the will to do it and a cubic crap ton of dollars. | ||
| Shoggin |
So whats the difference between a legitimate manufacturer that goes through the hoops of EPA and DOT certification to make not very many, but awesome bikes... and one that slaps together 1000's of cruisers with chinese metal frames and S&S crate motors? Looking at you OCC...they have their own title, not even with 'special construction' tags? I'm an enquiring mind and I want to know!  | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
IF they tried to come back, how many would avoid them based on the past 8 years of hardships? Two shutdowns will remain in people's minds Not just customers, but dealers too | ||
| Mog |
 EBR Bike Maker 1. Extremely well designed with VR/AI assembly vid.. 2. Initially XB9S or Helicon based similar to 1125R (next 1190RS) 3. Sub assemblies completed but offered as a kit. 4. Kit comes with needed special tools. 5. Computer (PC&MAC) replete diagnostics. 6. On line pro help. 7. UPS & FedEx ship & returns. 8. Sub assembly warranty program. 9. Value added assembler/reseller program. 10. On line EBR University for certified assemblers & discounts. 11. Comply with US Federal limited production company vehicle producers environmental/safety (reduced) requirements. Start simple, build builder/cottage base, increase selection, accentuate robustness & involve the user. | ||
| Hughlysses |
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| Classicbuells |
Sorry to sound a pessimist here. But if EBR couldn't be successful building 1190cc premium price "super bikes", how on earth can anyone expect them to be successful building commodity 800cc class machines? Myself, I would hate to have them to "do a Benelli" and build "Italian" bikes in China. Now way would I buy an EBR or a Buell built that way. (Message edited by classicbuells on October 20, 2018) (Message edited by classicbuells on October 20, 2018) | ||
| Mnscrounger |
Mog: Cool idea, a kit bike you build yourself might skirt regulations that kill small manufacturers. But I think there are a lot of half finished chopper kit projects out there. This would just be a more expensive version of them. While the SX Beta is growing on me, I doubt Id be interested in a revival if Erik isn't involved. At least not beyond using the tech/parts support for the longevity of the bike I already own. | ||
| Hughlysses |
IIRC, Court hinted that something like that was being considered when EBR went into receivership. | ||
| Mog |
Classicbuells. Never did I suggest any foreign building practices. Erik knows where the suppliers are, costs, start up quantities, etc. Indian, H-D and others are building$13,000 bikes that cannot flick quick enough to get out of the way of a 2003 XB9S. And forget about 'self' repairs to those new bikes as well as the 520 pound weight. At the tender age near 60 this is what I started my track days with and it is still the ultimate track day/commute bike... plus I can repair it myself if I want. I sold the 9R a few years back, this was even better with the bars up and I gave the 1125R to our son (very happy that he did not buy an Aprilia or Ducati). As a kit "Fox in a Box", there is no way the moto blogs could not love this as a get serious, affordable canyon carver.  | ||
| Shoggin |
I've got those same knee pucks...  | ||
| Hughlysses |
On a related note, EBR has posted three posts on their Facebook page in the last few days showing the process of assembling an ET-V2 engine. It is kind of curious that they're bothering to post any updates at this point. |
