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Buellcruiser20
Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 12:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

hey wuts up everyone?

i swear to god with my buell m2 cyclone all its been is problems. i dont see how you guys even keep up with the maintence on these things. for some reason now my starter is broken and the bike only has 8000 miles on the bike. sapposedly the starter clutch is shot and a guy wants to charge me 150 to fix it. does that sound correct?
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Outrider
Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 01:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Doesn't sound like a common everyday problem, but the price to fix sounds fair.
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 02:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well if you decide to throw it in the garbage, I have a can in front of my house it will fit nicely in. Price out a new starter then decide if the $150 is fair after you figure out what that price is covering. Does that include R&R from the bike, is that an off bike price for just teh repair? Is it a repair you could do from the manual? Think about all these things. Also is the starter problem related to the clutch problem you had? Could the damage to the starter happened becuase of the clutch issue? Things to ponder.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 02:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Try replacing your battery first. A battery with low voltage will cause the starter to sound like the clutch is going out.
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Iamike
Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 02:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Andrew,
Even tho I didn't have teething issues with mine there were several recalls and other people with problems that caused me worry.
I settled down, got the recalls taken care of, worked on my bike myself, and learned to love it.
I am now approaching 50,000mi. and have only been left on the side of the road once, when the stator died. I have confidence to fix most problems and feel at one with my machine while on the road.
Any bike can die at any time. Just learn to work on yours and where to get parts and then ride the bugger. Good luck and good riding.
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Newfie_buell
Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 02:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A loose battery or ground cable will also give a problem thats similar to a bad battery.

You have to realize you had most of the bike apart in some way to fix the broken belt. Its not a small job especially doing this for a first time.

Here is a picture of my bike in the Garage of a fellow Badwebber OZZ666 when my isolators blew out while going through Michigan in August 2003. I was amazed what the two of us could do with only a few tools, packing crates and the online S1 manual.

isolator

I now have a Paper Service Manual that I bought from the retailer, a copy of the online manual kept on an old computer in the garage as well a copy of the manual on my laptop.

By far one of the best manuals I have ever read.
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Bomber
Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 02:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

coughbuyaservicemanualcough

cruiser -- the number of probelms you are experiencing lead me to believe that you really do need to slow down, buy a service manual, and go through the bike slowly and deliberatly -- before you say you can't afford a manual, tracking the issues you've had, and the money you've spent replacing parts that likely didn't need it, I think you've already spent several times what the book would have cost.

slow down, bud, think troubleshooting, not part replacement, and get better results.

finally, what Blake said -- check your battery
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Fullpower
Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 02:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

also please be advised, that is a real tough starter. it is capable of spinning over a 502 cubic inch big block chevy engine. it has replaceable components, the starter solenoid parts are easily replaced, and in-expensive, also you can put a new drive clutch in yourself without too much trouble. look for a local auto electric shop in your area, they can likely fix you up.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 03:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

To replace / repair it, you do have to pull the headers and primary cover. Not a terrible job, but will take some time.

I agree with the "check the battery charge" comments. If you jump it from a car battery, does it ever do it?
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1320
Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 04:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've been running the same stock starter from a 95 S2 for 5 yrs drag racing with motors as much as 14/1 compression and no compression releases without any problems with the starter. Hook up a FULLY charged battery straight to the starter and try it...
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M1combat
Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 04:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Don't try to jump it fro ma car though..
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Reepicheep
Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 04:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Why not? Volts are volts.

Just the normal "don't blow it up or short things out" concerns that always apply when jumping any two vehicles.
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Crashm1
Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 06:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've jumped my bikes with a car several times. Car engine off, connect cables, start bike, disconnect cables. No sweat and that way I don't worry about cramming too many electrons through the bikes battery.
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Buells Rule!
(Dyna in disguise)

Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2004 - 07:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The starter clutches can & will go out. If you buy a replacement one it can run you anywhere from $50-150 depending what brand you get & if its for a big twin or the sporty based motor.

The main cause of them puking is by running the starter too long. If you keep hammering on the starter continuosly during cold weather you will shorten the life of it.

I have had 2 of them crap out on me in the 8 years I have had my HD..both times it was during cold weather..big twins & cold weather combined with 50 weight oil just dont like to start too well when its 20 degrees out.
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Buellcruiser20
Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 12:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

yeah man i actually took it took the guy that i usually go to and it was the starter clutch. right as i hit the button boom it turned right on. also bomber i did finally buy a manuel and also i do have the online one now too for the s1 which is basically the same bike. but it starts up like a champ now and runs like a champ. just my next objective is to quiet the sucker down lol. open exhuasts rule lol hehehehhehe. naw but i guess from starting it so much it finally wore down on it. thanx for all ur help u guys. also everyone i do my own work right outa my garage when i changed my belt i did it myself when i did my rockerbox gaskets i did them myself to. when i first started to take it apart i really didnt know wut i was doing but i finally got the hang of taking apart the bike and it isnt that bad i took apart my primary and my clutch in like 30 minutes and put it back together in like 20 so its not so bad working on a bike compaired to a car. but aight everyone goodnight. i gotta wake up early in the morning the g/f just bought a buell m2 also so were gonna go for a ride. aight everyone ride safe and enjoy ur ride.
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Newfie_buell
Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 08:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Belt Replacement is no small job and anyone that even attempts it is brave.

A lot of crap has to be either removed or let go to get the frame from the top of the engine assembly.

Keep the faith - you will always have to wrench the Buell. BUT its like any other mechanical system/vehicle - they require maintenance. You choose to either do your own or pay someone.

I prefer to do my own.
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Buellcruiser20
Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 08:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

yeah i realized that newfie that doing the belt job was no easy task it took me about 4 hours to do my belt all together. but like my friend over at harley told me he was like damn youve almost taken apart the whole bike and u havent even gone to school for it. like i told him some people are talented like that. that they know exactly wut there doing right off of the bat. lol. but yeah man i know wutcha mean. thanx for all the help everyone but im going out riding. peace
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Mr_grumpy
Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 - 05:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just think of the fun you've had learning about your bike & all the lovely people on here so willing to help.

If you hadn't had any problems;

a. Your life would be less fulfilled from the satisfaction of overcoming them.

b. You wouldn't be riding a Buell.

It's all part of the experience mate, my M2 oilpump drive crapped out the day I bought it but I still love the beast.
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