| Author | Message | ||
     Xb9srider |
I sold the Ducati (too single focused) and am considering an SV1000S as a replacement. The leftover '03's in copper are plentiful and cheap. It might be a good alrounder/weekender. I will probably add the full fairing, Heli bars, and street slip ons from Yosh. I really liked the CycleWorld article a few months back. Has anyone ridden one? Mark  Never Give Up! PS. The XB stays. Don't worry. | ||
| Buells Rule! |
Someone here owns one. I have riddne one & while it had plenty of grunt, for the seating position & the ergos sucked. Very uncomfortable to me. Only bike I have been on that was worse is a Duc 900SS. | ||
| Tpoppa |
My riding buddy has an 03 SV1000s in silver. That bike got some undeserved bad reviews. It's plenty fast, and handles better that you might expect. The riding position is pretty aggressive, not that far from a GSXR. The stock exhaust it way too quiet for a V-twin. | ||
| Xb9srider |
Yeah, the Heli Bars, Slip ons, and their gel seat may fix some of those issues. It seems like a viable, V-Twin alternative to a VFR after I put on the previously mentioned parts. I don't like the new VFR and had enough of the idea of goofy, expensive valve adjustments with the Ducati. That CycleWorld article was pretty good. I sat on one and would definitely have to get Heli Bars for it. Thanks. Never Give Up! | ||
| Lovematt |
I have an SV1000S as well as an XB9R...both 2003 models. Both bikes are equally enjoyable but the SV is used more for longer trips/commuting and the XB is more for the fun rides on the twisties. "Spiritually" I am more attached to the Buell in terms of my heart but the fun factor is pretty high with both bikes. | ||
| Trenchtractor |
Two words, bad ergos. But like I keep saying, I really love my super motards... Other than the ergo's I loved the SV thou. I was dissapointed that the Local Suzi gimps didn't have a nude version in. They say the naked one won't sell. I bought a 12S instead, though. Test rode a 620 monster for a mate of mine yesterday. I had gone no more than 100 meters and I dragged the sidestand through a left hander. What the...? Ground clearance was rather poor... Those things handle really nice and it should be a good bike for him since he's on a VTR250 ATM. It was fun to get on something with a 160 rear tyre and great handling again, I had a ball. But I really think he'd be fitting a sidestand off a S4R and a set of high pipes... It has loads of potential but so needs more clearance. Any thoughts?? | ||
| Tucsonxb9s |
If he's stuck on Ducatis...2005 Ducati Monster S2R...single sided swing arm and dual high mount exhausts like the S4R, but only the 800cc and a lot less money. $8495 US.  | ||
| Kowpow225 |
I haven't ridden one but am interested as well. I hear they have the old TL-1000 mill in them. That CAN'T be a bad thing. Too bad they didn't borrow the seating position as well. The old TLs were pretty spacious for us guys around the 6 foot and over group. Can't beat that in a SPORT bike. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Just know what to expect... the SV1000 is not an SV-650 with a 1000cc TLR motor, it is a TL-1000s with SV styling (IMHO). Not that it is necessarily a bad thing, just know what to expect. I am 6'2", and my XB9sx fits me perfectly. I (again, IMHO) really like as compact a bike as is comfortable for a sport bike. | ||
| Glitch |
Not going to put the SV down. I rode one before I bought the XB. For how I ride and where I ride, it wasn't for me. Reminded me too much of the TLS, so I'm with Reep on that view. Try to find one you can ride, and be sure you like how it does in lean to lean transitions. | ||
| Blake |
Ever look at the inboard side of the frame on the SV machines? | ||
| Glitch |
 Not very impressive looking. It is very stiff though. New molding technique, makes them much stiffer than the older frame style. | ||
| Keith |
Road Racing World gave the SV1000 a good review a couple of months ago. The one I heard sounded really good. It all depends on what you are looking for. Keith | ||
| Blake |
Thanks Glitch. You nailed it with that picture. That is what in engineering we call design for manufacture, or design for cost, or in layman's terms... "cheap". The "molding technique" cannot make a structure more stiff. Only material and geometry can make a difference in structural stiffness. I do not like that frame at all. Just my personal preference though; I'm averse to having a myriad of exposed yet hidden cavities like that. Most sport bike frames use beefy closed sections for a good reason. If the SV's would use a simple round tube truss design, I would like it. But doing so is a LOT more expensive compared to a die casting. | ||
| Glitch |
The classic SV frame is a tube truss. The molding technique is supposed to have less air introduced to the metal. More mass for strength. I'm with you though. You'd think they would have at least figured out how to seal that up rather than having it look like an unfinished plastic model part. | ||
| Starter |
Damn you guys are picky. | ||
| Stealthxb |
Where does the gas go? | ||
| Josh_ |
>Where does the gas go? Actually it's very quaint - this bike has a metal tank that bolts on top of the frame and motor to hold the gas. How 20th century!  | ||
| Glitch |
Damn you guys are picky. Comes with the territory. Where does the gas go? In a big jug that sits on top of the engine. Don't sound too safe do it? | ||
| Budo |
The SV board here http://www.sv1000.zyns.com/ has lots of usefull info. A buddy of mine has the SV1000 nakked. I like it alot. Lots of torque and power, sounds great with Microns on it. Great price. Really you can't go wrong for the money. | ||
| Buells Rule! \-2{(Dyna in disguise)} |
The "molding technique" cannot make a structure more stiff. Only material and geometry can make a difference in structural stiffness. Old theory. The molding technique is supposed to have less air introduced to the metal. More mass for strength. New theory. Controlled fill die casting they call it. Couple different manufacturers are using the process now. It allows them to produce swingarms & frames that are superlightweight yet very strong. | ||
| Blake |
Greg. While it is old, it is no mere "theory." It is exactly as I stated above. Any structural casting containing enough porosity to noticeably reduce its stiffness would be wholly unsuitable for use as any strength critical structural component. Such a casting would be commonly known as "pot metal." It is crap. Stiffness and strength are two entirely different properties. The truth is that if manufacturers could figure out how to uniformly entrain porosity within the interior of a cast structural component, they would be ecstatic. If they could do that, they could simply use thicker wall sections and avoid all the expensive webbing you see in the SV frame. That webbing is there mainly to provide support for the channel section's web and flanges to keep them from buckling. If the web and flanges could be made thicker even with entrained porosity, they would no longer need the stability enhancing webbing. | ||
| Blake |
Think honeycomb sandwich panel. We did play around with some titanium structure on the B2 that would blow your mind. Take two sheets of 6AL4V titanium alloy, electron weld them face to face in a maze pattern, heat them up real hot between two flat confining surfaces, and blast high pressure nitrogen between them into the mazelike pattern formed by the welds. The sheets separate, the welded areas flow plastically, and you have a pure titanium alloy sandwich panel. The bounding/confining surfaces determine the final thickness of the trick new 100% contiguous 100% titanium, no adhesive, honeycomb panels. | ||
| Glitch |
Wow trick new 100% contiguous 100% titanium Just wow. All I know of metal molding is what was said in class, or I've read. My knowledge (limited) is in plastic injection molding. The way I understood it Suzuki is on to something with this molding technique. Of course the main goal with Suzuki is mass production and it's cost. | ||
| BadS1 |
Porosity is a problem in all diecasting.Air is not a big problem,it in keeping a constant temp in between shot's and spraying off the die correctly between each shot and making sure you have all water/lube off the die before closing it up.If you don't keep water off the die or if you spray to long in a area you'll cause porosity.They usually will X-Ray a part every 25 shots or so on something of size as a XB frame/tank. | ||
| Bigj |
The SV1000 is apparently gonna have some significant changes for '05. IMHO, a very under rated bike.  | ||
| Budo |
Yep, a great bike but sales are low. I think it is because the magazines have ignored it. The SV1000 nakked was only inported in 2003. Some dealers still have them new on the floor for $5,999! Also left over 2004 SV1000s are common. | ||
| Buells Rule! Dyna in disguise) |
Stiffness and strength are two entirely different properties. I understand now, for a second I was confusing the 2. Something can be stiff yet still be quite weak. | ||
| Buells Rule! Dyna in disguise) |
Yep, a great bike but sales are low. I think it is because the magazines have ignored it. The SV1000 nakked was only inported in 2003. Some dealers still have them new on the floor for $5,999! Also left over 2004 SV1000s are common. From what I have seen..or rather not seen...I would agree that the SV1000 is a huge loser in the sales dept. Personally I think the SV lineup lost its charm when it went away from the tube style frame & went with the hideous frame they now use. I think an SV1000 with the tube frame & a little better ergos would be a much better seller. | ||
| BadS1 |
Judging by the inside of the SV's frame that would be a big candidate for porosity because of all the thin bracing in the inside. | ||
| Blake |
What Glitch said about the improved metal casting methods being perfected is true in that they do allow much thinner sections not previously possible. Yamaha was touting this same casting tech a year or two ago. | ||
| BadS1 |
Blake don't think for a second though that they don't have alot of crap casting those frames.I'd say they do.What I'm seeing is alot of area's that can hold alot of water from the sprayer.Its up tO the operator to make adjustments to the sprayer head and its blowoff.I've was a aluminum diecaster for 6 years.I'll tell ya just by look'n at that frame...that one ain't easy.It also looks like a ejection pin breaker.I don't miss the job...HOT,HUMID,and you breathe the worst of crap.You should smell anti seize when its burning.YUK!!! | ||
| Al_lighton |
Ever look on the inside of the XB-S tail rails? They aren't a lot different than those SV frame members. But the casting quality is excellent. I get them polished to sell with the polished XB-S bobbed tail. Haven't seen any evidence of casting porosity on any we've stripped and polished yet. Al | ||
| BadS1 |
I just Bobbed my tail on mine and found a couple spots but it wasn't anything some filler couldn't fix.The company's that have things casted alway's have a fine line on what they will except depending on the nature of what the casting is used for. | ||
| Chgojim |
i had a SV650, my first bike, and loved it. this was a good website for info, http://www.svrider.com/ | ||
| Xb9srider |
Holy crap! I just got back from a 3 day trip and my simple question has over 30 responses. Well, I have to watch It's The Great Pumpkin Charlie Brown with my wife son. I'll get caught up later. Ride safe and thanks. Never Give Up! | ||
| Starter |
Yamaha was claiming tobe the first onces doing it using a vacuum. |
