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Mfell2112
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - 08:06 pm: | 
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ROTFL! Good one Buellkowski. An Edsel is good looking compared to that.
Mike |
Brucelee
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - 08:21 pm: |
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Selected references on French cars.
Still crap if you count actually working as a criterion!
http://www.reliabilityindex.co.uk/trends7.html?apc=31382522333596
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/the_company_file/359122.stm
http://www.whatcar.com/News_SpecialReport.asp?NA_ID=207800&EL_ID=3061018 |
Buells Rule!
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - 09:22 pm: |
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Had some guy in a 911 Carrera attempt to race me on I-94 about 3 weeks ago. That wasnt you Brucee was it? That would explain your sour attitude, sorry to have spanked your expensive "sports" car with a $10K rice burner |
Brucelee
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - 09:57 pm: |
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Well, Greg/Dyna whatever?
Yes, you know I bought this $90K sports car because I thought I would like to race retarded older guys from Wisconsin on a garish blue motorcycle.
You are so sad. Try night school, get a hint of an education, perhaps a non-factory job? This might help. Mozart at night is a good thing too!
Then, you may not feel so inferior and have to race cars that you know you are faster than! That is so pathetic!
BTW-the point of the original post (you forgot, your attention span is very limited) was that French cars are crap. It had nothing to do with cheap but fast, Jap bikes.
I notice you ignored the JD Powers data and other survey data. I guess the actual OWNERS of french cars don't feel so good about them but you KNOW better than they do!
BTW-did you notice Nissan in 11th place in quality data? Hmmm.
What a child! |
Tom_b
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 19, 2004 - 10:54 pm: |
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Grumpy, I lived in france for a short time. was not too impressed with the cars, or country in general. Paris is WAY overrated. Liked Athens, Madrid, Naples, even Istanbul much more. I lived in those places too by the way.I had a worn out Renault R5 was ok, liked my Fiat 131 sedan much better, or my mini cooper or my Lancia Zagato. |
Sooner
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 09:41 am: |
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Well Gents, I imagine you are a group of bottom line guys.
So, here is the bottom line. I have proven on several occasions that all cars go exactly the same speed.
As you plummett over a cliff and fall 800 feet.
What really matters is the style of your coffin.
I want mine painted with flames, and to have fuzzy dice hanging on the handles.
Now thats a fast vehicle. |
Grndskpr
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 01:37 pm: |
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http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0308scc_renault/
just for fun, take a look
Oh and Brucelee, since i dont feel the need to go to night school, and am lower than a factory job, and think classical music blows
I must be of an even lower caliber, thank you very much, cant wait to meet you some day
R |
Buelluk
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 02:37 pm: |
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I have had a Citroen 2CV -looks like a mobile outhouse, Citroen AX and a Peugeot 309 and 405, they were all great cars ,...all of the French manufacturers build great cars.
I even saw a 2CV on I-684 in NY State a couple of weeks ago...had to rub my eyes !...I took my 2CV over the Pyrenees inot Spain one year...it didnt start one morning , so a local mechanic hit the starter motor with a brick and it spun right up ! |
Buellkowski
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 02:57 pm: |
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Anyone want U.S. titled 2CV's? I got connections you may be interested in.  |
Mikej
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 03:30 pm: |
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This is a Citroen 2CV, which might be fun to drive, and which I believe DaveGess has an example of:
And this is what I'd have to do with one after a few winter's worth of Wisconsin driving:
Images found at:
http://www.avonhill.com/thumbnails/sedan_imported/1969_Citroen_2CV_B.jpeg
http://www.cats-citroen.net/citroen_museum/azu_55/azu55_67.jpg
Buellkowski,
What kind of prices are you talking? |
Newfie_buell
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 03:38 pm: |
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I got friends in low places...........
I have always wanted to say that,thanks Roger for being there!!!
That little Renault looks like a whole lot of fun.
WOW |
Kaudette
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 04:32 pm: |
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hate to break it to you guys but French cars don't "suck".
take a modern Peugeot for a drive - 307/406 - they are among the best handling front wheel drive cars out there - I've owned BMW, Alfa, Ford, GM, Mercedes, driven Porsche, Aston, Renault, Peugeot and the Peugeot 406 wasn't that far off a 3 series BMW with a sports package in terms of handling.
Build quality & materials on the new cars are very comparable to a typical US car - still doesn't approach the German manufacturers.
Motors are still a bit weak, however they are improving - still very strong on Diesels - gas powered are a bit weak.
The cars of the 80's were crap, no doubt about it. |
Buells Rule!
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 04:45 pm: |
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The cars of the 80's were crap, no doubt about it.
So were the american cars. Complete piles of crap...well most of em anyways. Thanks to the foreign competition they had no choice but to get their act together & start producing quality vehicles. |
Newfie_buell
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 05:01 pm: |
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I bet you remember the Chevette??? |
Firebolt020283
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 05:02 pm: |
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take that back you cant beat a good 80's model truck: steal made out of metal, still carborated, no dumb air bags still same old good solid running power plants (dodge and chevy anyway). and what about the monte carlos, grand prixs ect of the early 80's those are awsome cars. |
Buells Rule!
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 05:11 pm: |
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They were rustbuckets & had no balls. The Montes & Gran Prixs of the 80's were gutless. Monte Carlo SS with the 305 V8 would have its @ss handed to it by any number of front wheel drive 6 bangers & quite a few 4cylinder cars.
And no dumb air bags?? I hope you are kidding about that. I see air bags as being a very positive device that can potentially save lives. |
Brucelee
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 05:16 pm: |
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The 80s BMW series 3 were nice cars, especially the later 80s, BMW 325IS.
Have to agree with Dyna that many 80s cars were just terrible. |
Buellkowski
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 05:22 pm: |
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Mikej, perhaps $5K for an unrestored 2CV6. A restored Charleston (your pic) has been known to go for in excess of $10K. I also have a line on 2CV parts. |
BadS1
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 05:23 pm: |
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I agree with Dyna and Brucelee also.The clean ones you see running around now are sporting 22 inch spinner wheels and big subwoofers in the trunks and puffing smoke out the tailpipe's. |
Davegess
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 05:34 pm: |
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My 2CV cost 9400 bucks delivered to my door. Not restored but a very clean low milage car with a new chassis. The frames rot in about two weeks, very little salt on the roads in 1948 so the designs didn't worry about water getting inside of frame rails.
Neat car, slow, lot's of fun, so far except for having to adjust the valves (remove fenders, remove side panels, pull up a stool, adjust. The whole job including the fenders and the head scratching took about 3 hours. Next time it will be an hour) trouble free.
Need to respray the bottom with waxoyl one of these weekends so it survives another winter. Neat to experience 1940's style motoring.
Davw |
Buells Rule!
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 05:34 pm: |
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Proof of how bad the 80's were
Can you imagine someone actually buying that pile & thinking "man I got me a sweet @ssed convertible"? |
Buells Rule!
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 05:35 pm: |
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Or just remember Delorean....thats about as bad as it gets. |
Buells Rule!
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 05:37 pm: |
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Dana...there was a a mid 80's Caprice sitting at Best Buy yesterday that had either 22's or possibly even the new 24's on it. gayest looking thing I have seen so far. It sat up so high it looked like it was 4wd. |
Uwgriz
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 05:42 pm: |
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Hey, don't be makin fun of K cars, I had two of them (and 4 engines). A complete brake failure killed the first one (actually the demo I ran it in really finished it off) and a deer ended the seconds stint. |
BadS1
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 05:54 pm: |
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Dyna what made me think of my last post was last Sunday. I was coming home from work and there was six of them driving single file with one another playing the same song and the trunk's were vibrating so much on one of them that I could visually see it at a Stop light.LOL As I pulled away from them I put my hand out the window and signaled for them to toot there horn's kinda like they were semi's.It lokoed like a frigg'n pimp'n convoy. |
Wyckedflesh
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 07:56 pm: |
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Buick Grand National...Kenne Bell Edition
As I said I got to drive one of the Renault R5's on a Slalom course. It beat the hell out of my Datsun 510/289HiPo. I know he had it pumped up over 200hp and at the minimal curb weight it just FLEW. |
Smitty
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 08:02 pm: |
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Yes The R5 Alpine rocked.
They even had it in a Bond movie.
Tim |
Fullpower
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 08:08 pm: |
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speaking of cheep american made junk, we ice race here on a frozen lake , middle of town. races have been going on since the 1940's. only 2 classes: stock and modified. i have been running a stocker since 2000. the FULLPOWER car (#55) is a 4 cylinder chevy celebrity. all stock except methanol injection. we dominated the stock class for 3 years, finally got beat last year, by another 4 cyl celebrity. we race against v-8's, sixes, even a 3 cylinder out there. front and rear wheel drive all run together, and for whatever reason i can not fathom nothing can beat a celebrity on the ice. i have not the foggiest idea why.my kid has been winning the kids class, wife stomps in the powder puff races, and i can beat every car out there except another celebrity. took it out on the road a couple times to be in a parade, what a piece of crap car, under powered, horrible suspension, just junk, but on ice it carries the checkered flag more than any other car out there. go figure. |
Rocketman
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 08:59 pm: |
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I've owned several French cars too over the years and like their country they're laid back.
Any big size Peugeot is like taking your living room for a drive.
Any older big Citroen is complicated beyond belief, but it's rewarding when you've put it right, if it ever goes wrong. All super to drive.
Ask yourself why a Maserati engine would find its way into a Citroen. Ask yourself why a Maserati Bora used the Citroen hydropneumatic braking system, and Rolls Royce copied Citroen's hydropneumatic's for their suspension.
Ah, the 2CV bless its cotton socks. Probably the only car I'll ever experience two wheeled motoring in, and still recover it. No I wasn't the driver at the time! My step mum has a corrugated 1957 2CV van. Wonderful work horse. Are they really fetching that much money over the pond? There's an opening there.
Renault, Peugeot, what's the difference? Still great cars. The 17 was simply fantastic, and fast for its day. Very understated that one, and I wish I could find one now.
Don't forget the Alpine 110 either. Fabulous car.
Panhard, anyone heard of them? Stunning designs.
Oh man there's loads of French cars the worlds forgotten. Quirky French maybe, but they've been building cars since time began.
French cars I've owned....
Citroen 2CV
Citroen 1150GS Pallas
Citroen 1200GS
Citroen XM 2500 diesel
Citroen ZX 1.4 Biaritz
Renault 18TL
Peugeot 405 1.9L
Peugeot 405 1.9 diesel estate
Peugeot 205 1.6 GTi
Peugeot 306 diesel
Rocket |
Sandblast
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 09:36 pm: |
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Dyna, my Dad would totally buy that convertible and then try to pawn it off on me! |
Buells Rule!
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 09:37 pm: |
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I tried to find a pic of one that had the hideous "woodgrain" sides. Truly an abomination. |
Bigdaddy
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 11:34 pm: |
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My very first every brand spanking new ride was a 1984 Saab 900T Rose Quartz and I loved it for 220,000 miles. It had two failures in all the years I owned it -- master cylinder/ hydraulic resevoir and the wife left the sun roon open and it rained, heavily, in the console/ignition switch. The energizer bunny had nothing on it. It did like tires.
At the same time we had a 1984 Dodge Charger Shelby deal and it couldn't have sucked any worse.
Not thread killing, but I had one good one in the 80's and one PITA /POS. Nothing French. |
Buellkowski
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 20, 2004 - 11:38 pm: |
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Here's your abomination, Dyna. |
Firebolt020283
| | Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2004 - 05:54 am: |
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They were rustbuckets & had no balls
dare any one to put modern truck up aginst my 85 dodge (with the exeption of may be the the new srt10 or the ford lighting)} |
Firebolt020283
| | Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2004 - 05:57 am: |
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oh and the ss 454 of the early 90's forgot about that one |
Mikej
| | Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2004 - 09:12 am: |
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Thanks for the followup Buellkowski, a bit out of my price range currently. Back to looking for a project car.... |
Buellkowski
| | Posted on Thursday, October 21, 2004 - 02:26 pm: |
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Dave G., looks like I had a hand in your last 2CV transaction.  I just met with Axel and he remembered your car, and the one it replaced. |
Davegess
| | Posted on Friday, October 22, 2004 - 06:04 pm: |
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Both are still running great. Axel is a character that is for sure and very serious aobut 2CV's. Are you the fellow helping him get these cars? Not a subject for a BBS methinks.
Dave |
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