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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 08:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

...that the lowside bent the shift fork enough I have to take the trans apart to fix it :'(

I am going to pull the motor out and see if I can find someone to fix the trans. Its not a warranty deal since its obvious the lowside did it. I could file a claim but with a $500 deductable I may as well do it myself. This will save on the insurance in the long run. So I need to figure out something for the mean time to get me back up and running for a while...
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Ingemar
Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 07:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That stinks. Shifter was stuck before you lowsided, but I guess there is no way to prove that after the crash and bent shifter fork.

Good luck with it man!
Ingemar.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 10:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Are you sure Mike? I have not been inside an XB primary before, but I don't think they are that much different then a tuber. Based on what I saw in the tuber, you could pretty much rip the shifter from the bike and only damage stuff that is accessible through the primary cover, nothing that requires pulling the engine.

Pop off the primary cover, pop off the stator and clutch pack and primary chain all together as a unit, and I *believe* the bent bits will all be right there waiting to be unbolted and replaced.

I could imagine it being easy to trash the hole in the primary cover where the shifter shaft came out though, from the pictures it looked like you did a pretty good number on it...
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 11:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Reep, I did that yesterday. It is definately an internal issue.
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Glitch
Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 11:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No trap door on the XBs.
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 11:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yup, I know damnit. I could totally use a trapdoor trans right now. On and once I get the clutch pack apart, I will take pics to show how glazed the fibers and steels are.
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Mikej
Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 11:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It is possible to convert an XB engine case to accept a trap-door tranny, but you have to know who to contact, and they may need some sort of clearance or permissions to do it. A local shop here can do it, but they prefer to get the clearance to do so first. Costly though.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 01:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wow. So how did it manage to bend a fork? I still have a hard time imagining how the mech in there could force anything hard enough to bend a fork without breaking first. I did not think any of those parts are that beefy.

Are you sure there are not just broken pieces worked into the tranny (though I suppose that is nearly as bad)? And with that shaft sheared, how did you manage to try and excercise the shifter? As I recall, I could never get the thing to move unless I pulled out shifter parts and remounted them to try and move anything.

I am not implying you are wrong, just trying to make sure the easy stuff gets covered before you drop a lot of money and time. We had at least one other person here pull an engine to address what turned out to be a loose nut that was accessible through the primary.
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 01:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

With the clutch basket and primary gear removed, a little jiggling of the shift arms on the outside of the case we were able to get it to shift gears again. It turns out that the below "Culprit" had popped out of position and jammed the shifter drum. By out of position it had moved itself to inside the pins on the shifter drum. Popped the little spring off, moved the lever and put the spring back on and it would shift. Though as I said it still would catch in 4th and have to be worked back and forth to get it to shift again.

I haven't gotten everything put back together due to the fried clutch. The steels are warped well out of spec as well as being glazed badly, and the fibre plates look like this

2.098mm is the average thickness of the low end of the specs(16.789mm for all 8 as a pack). As you can see this plate which measured the THICKEST of them is only 2.032mm. With rest coming in between 1.900mm to 2.010mm in thickness.

Once I get a new clutch in place, I can test out the trans. Again it is shifting by hand rather roughly but not certain if that is due to it not really spinning at speed as we are shifting it or not. It still wants to catch on 4th gear.
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 03:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm amazed that your clutch has gone out already.
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 03:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Canyon roads, slow traffic and an XB12 stuck in 4th gear Hootowl.
Details here: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/32777/77852.html?1096936111
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M1combat
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 03:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah, the traffic really did in that clutch. The grade he was on goes from about 2000 to 5200 feet elevation over about 8 miles. VERY tight roads with very few places to get enough space to pass. Especially starting from 25 MPH in fourth using the clutch.
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Hootowl
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 04:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What's a new set of clutches go for?

Hey, at least you're not in Houston...flat as a pancake.
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Ingemar
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 04:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well, that must take a load of your back I would think. At least the shifter drum is oke so you won't be splitting the cases etc.

Are you gonna go with the factory clutch plates or an after market?
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Wyckedflesh
Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 07:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

hrmmm...roughly $140 for the factory fibre plates alone...or $69 for 1320's recommendation that includes the steel plates AND a stiffer diaghram spring...
http://energyoneclutches.com/sportxtra.htm
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