| Author | Message | ||
     Rdkingryder |
Hi all. As you may remember, I have just replaced the crank on my '07. It seems to be running hot, so i've been playing with the timing. I cannot get a timing light to clamp onto the plug wire and the service manual recommends static timing it, but asking you to use Digital Technician. The service manual doesn't even list that in the tools section. Anyway to static time the engine without any special tools? I just put it back where the marks were on the plate. | ||
| Raceautobody |
http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/327 77/113649.html | ||
| Froggy |
You can use ECMspy to check the timing. | ||
| Rdkingryder |
Thanks Race. I don't have ECM spy Froggy, do I need it for anything else? | ||
| Uly_man |
"I don't have ECM spy Froggy, do I need it for anything else?" Yes for TPS re-sets on pre 08 bikes. A lead will pay for itself on the first TPS reset over a dealer charge. | ||
| Garrcano |
It's also an easier way to se the diagnostic/error codes and to perform some test like fan, fuel pump and active exhaust for example. | ||
| Rdkingryder |
Thanks guys, I'll look into it. Does anyone know if it will work with an Ipad? | ||
| Reepicheep |
Not that I am aware of. It's a PC (and a long time ago a Palm Pilot app). | ||
| Garrcano |
There is a PalmOs version. Not all the Palm models work, they must be TTL capable. E2 and Tx are two examples. No adapter needed, only the correct connector for the diagnostic port. Look at www.ecmspy.com P.D. But I don't know if it is possible to check timing with the Palm version. (Message edited by garrcano on May 09, 2012) | ||
| Hughlysses |
Since it's apparently running reasonably well already, you could just use the trial-and-error method. A hot engine due to improper ignition timing can be caused by having the spark either too advanced or (more likely) too retarded. If the engine is running hot and you're not getting spark knock, it probably means your ignition timing is too retarded. The retarded spark doesn't light the fuel mixture "early" enough in the power stroke so the fuel/air mixture is still burning when it gets shoved out the header pipes. Try advancing the ignition a little at a time until either you're happy with the performance or it starts knocking under load. If it starts knocking under load, back off the timing just a little until it doesn't. | ||
| Pontlee77 |
if you have the Ecm spy i can guide you on the best way to adjust it, as a good friend explained me and it's not complicated just you have to be very precise, and a pair of hands to help would be good too. | ||
| Electraglider_1997 |
I used to static time my old points ignition bikes with a spare turn signal. I checked my 06' ULY timing with ECMSpy and found it to be spot on. I remember it being a bear to turn the engine over by turning the rear wheel why simultaneously looking at the Spy screen and the timing mark. | ||
| Rdkingryder |
Thanks everyone for the suggestions. I'll have a look at it this weekend and see what I come up with. Still have the popping out of gear that's bugging me.  | ||
| Froggy |
ECMspy is a must have, it is vital for doing diagnostics and maintenance. The free version, which is compatible with your bike, is only available on Windows and Palm. There is a paid version which will also work on your bike, that one will work on Windows/Mac/Linux, but nothing will work on a ipad. | ||
| Rdkingryder |
Update, tried again today to static time it and for the life of me, could not. Then it dawned on me that my '08 crank may not have the timing mark as the '07 crank.  | ||
| Garrcano |
Procedure that I use (only suggestion of course): Put the rear wheel in the air by a stand or similar. Take out the spark plugs for reduce compression opposition. Take out the plug which hides the crank position mark between the jugs. Connect the EcmSpy to the bike. Option A: spin the rear wheel with the helping hand from a mate. Option B: take away the sprocket cover and with a big 1-7/8" wrench at the main shaft nut rotate the engine. | ||
| Natexlh1000 |
"Then it dawned on me that my '08 crank may not have the timing mark as the '07 crank." Oh yeah. that would make sense because you are not able to adjust the timing mechanically at all anymore since the 2008s use a sensor right off the flywheel. I thought you could use a volt meter to probe the sensor to tell you when the "points" have closed/opened. | ||
| Rdkingryder |
How are the '08s static timed? | ||
| Hughlysses |
The timing is fixed (non-adjustable) on the 08-up bikes. The timing is trigered directly off the crank so adjustment is not necessary. | ||
| Rdkingryder |
Ok, should have thought to look at my pictures before I went to all the trouble. 07 crank,the see mark?  08 crank, no mark. Bad picture, doesn't really show the whole crank.  Ok, here's a picture from Mike's engine build I borrowed to show, or is that not show the timing mark.  http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii309/Mikef5000/92529f02.jpg (Message edited by rdkingryder on May 19, 2012) |
