| Author | Message | ||
     M1combat |
I've heard of people putting the 9 ECM on a 12 with dire consequences. It ran, but bad stuff happened. | ||
| Buellgator |
M1 did they do it for the extra rev limit? Was that the only thing that they did because I would think you'd need a FI computer PCIII, or something. | ||
| M1combat |
I'm not sure. I would guess the same thing as you though. The way I see it is that it's the same V angle so all you "should" need would be more fuel and maybe different timing. I think that the Cam Position Sensor may need to be affected in some way as well, but I'm not sure. I still think that the best setup may indeed be the stock ECM, stock pipe and a PCIII. I can't imagine that the exhaust valve isn't the proper way to do it if you can keep it. I think that the race ECM (for the 12) should have the functionality of operating the stepper motor if it detects one. You could then tune around it. I suppose it would be difficult to do seems as how the stepper motor operates somewhat eratically, but the 12 race ECM (in my dream world) would just operate it linearly based on RPM. The stepper motor and valve themselves wouldn't be as effective as they are now, but I can't imagine it would be worse than a properly tuned exhaust with a race ECM and no valve. I suppose though, we don't have the option of finding out because of the way the stepper motor works with the stock ECM. | ||
| Opto |
M1, it's not a stepper motor, it's an actuator motor and can only ever be in one of two positions - open or closed. Just for your info. | ||
| Yeahcmon |
FELLAS, LETS LOOK AT THE ENGINE '01 YZF-R1 (4CYL, 5 VALVES PER CYL, 4 CARBS, POWER VALVE, RED LINE OF 11750, DID I MENTION OVERHEAD CAMS! LETS LOOK AT BUELL(2 CYL, 2 VALVES PER CYL, 1DDFI, PUSHROD ENGINE, 7500 REDLINE. WHO DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO PUT OUT MORE POWER? COMPARING THE R1 AND THE XB'S IS RIDICULOUS. IF YOU WANT A FAST POWERFULL BIKE THAT SOUNDS LIKE A MONKEY SUCKIN OFF A COFFEE CAN BUY AN R1. IF YOU WANT A BIKE THAT TURNS SOME HEADS AND SOUNDS LIKE A CAMMED UP SMALL BLOCK WITH STRAIT PIPES BUY A BUELL. | ||
| Josh_ |
"sounds like a monkey suckin off a coffee can"? "Angry bumblebee" is one thing, but where the hell have you heard a monkey sucking on a coffee can and how does that sound like a 11,500RPM smallbore motor? | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
"sounds like a monkey suckin off a coffee can"? You havent heard any litre bikes have you? Ask the folks who I passed what my bike sounds like when I wick it up. its loud & screams. And what you describe sounds like poser crap. Turning heads & sound? BTW, I get just as many looks if not more on my sexy R1 | ||
| M1combat |
"I get just as many looks if not more on my sexy R1 " You've spent a good deal of time riding an XB then? Yeahcmon - We weren't talking about power. It's pretty obvious that the R1 will put out more power. A lot more. We were talking about magazines comparing XB's to bikes that they weren't meant to compete with. As far as turning heads and sounding like a small block... I could care less. I want it to enter, apex and exit corners with the best of them. It does. Keep in mind Dyna, I didn't say better than the best, but with the best. Opto - Oh... Well, that makes life a little easier then, but It still opens and closes at variable RPM's which may be hard to tune around. I still think it's the best solution, although the Drummer does indeed look quite nice on a 12. | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
I have spent a lot of time riding with folks on them & when we stop my bike gets the ohhs & ahhs. | ||
| 420at145mph |
lol AS IF R1's are EVERYWERE lost in the crowd type bike nothing special or anything to ooh OR ahh about i ride with ppl on 04 R1's ZX10's and even a fireblade when we stop the BUELL is the one surrounded by ppl asking questions | ||
| Kaudette |
For once I have to agree with something 420 had to say... Ouch, never thought I would write that!  The 04 model R1 is a really sweet looking bike but is doesn't nearly have the "what the hell - that's cool" factor of the XB. I ride with an SP2, Speed3, R6, CBRR, and a bunch of more mild streetbikes, and the 12S takes top dog in looks & mumbling. | ||
| Gonen60 |
, I get just as many looks if not more on my sexy R1 Dyna, you have been in the Sun for to long. The R1, is very cool, but not the head turner and eyeball magnet the XB is. Come on now, fess up! | ||
| Tatsu |
Ah there is truth in that statement 420. The group I ride with R1s and GSXR. All 30 line up at the lookout one day and the Buell got the most questions and looks. It's a different bike, no doubt about it. | ||
| M1combat |
Every time I pull into Woody's at the end of the "Spars" all the different groups of sport bikers walk over to my bike and look/chat. I've sat there for 30 minutes at a time. Other bikes or groups pull up and they all walk over to the XB, then walk back over to their bikes not generally giving even a glance at any of the others. One group of Aprilia riders were upset about this phenomenon enough that they all stood up and pushed their bikes over next to my 12R  . I laughed out loud . I was standing at a "Giant" gas station once in another town and walked up to a group of four guys on 600's (three different makes) and started talking to them about how they liked them. Within about one minute one of them said "OK, enough about our bikes" and promptly walked over to mine (that was sitting at a pump). The others followed and I didn't get out of there for half an hour. EVERY time I go to Taco Bell for lunch I see at least 70% of the people that notice my bike go out of their way to walk over to it, stand there looking for a second and then walk in. They do the same thing if they're headed to their car. I've walked out of Albertson's so many times and had people (three or four unrelated people) standing there tanking to each other about my bike. Heck, it's even a good way for OTHER people to meet OTHER people... Sheesh. | ||
| Austinrider |
M1 - I know the feeling. We have a large group of riders at work (we have motorcycle parking so we all get to see each others bikes). My desk's view is of the Bike parking. Im always flattered at how many folks come over and check out my bike. I get asked about it all the time. From the Harley/Cruiser crowd to the IL4 race replica crowd, everybody has the same message "We've heard nothing but good things about this Bike" I think the biggest compliment I got was 2 days ago. I went to the local bike performance shop (who happen to be a group of CMRA Racers) and I got all kinds of questions about the bike. How they were happy that Buell's were racing and doing well, how amazing it is to have all that unsprung weight and the genius of Erik for his design. It was nice to have folks whose living is made by supping up Aprilla's and Jap bikes compliment my Buell. The level of knowledge they had about the XB was really amazing. Oh yeah, I get guys asking (inderectly usually) if they can take it out for a session at the track to see what it handles like. Im usually very polite and let them know nobody rides my Buellie-Mae but me. --Austinrider | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
Gonen..read my post again. Around here the R1's arent everywhere. As a matter of fact I have yet to see another 04 R1 or even a ZX10R on the street so far. Whereas when I do the group riding deal I am usually with a group of Buellers. Hmmm what gets more attention, 10 Buells that all look the same in a group or the one R1 that definitely stands out? Now switch it around & make the Buell be the lone bike in a pack of Gixxers & yes it will get more attention because its not the same as the others. The average non rider really doesnt have a clue about bikes & to them they all look the same. But put 1 oddball bike in a group of sameness & thats the one they can pick out. | ||
| Hogs |
Dyna ..Theres alot of truth what you just said there for sure..... However I wd. still think that there are a whole lot more bikes out there that look like a R1,zx10r, and the list goes on and on that ppl. see going on a day to day basis... But no wheres near the amount of bikes that look like a Xb correct me if i`m wrong :-). | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
I agree with you on that. Hell I cant even tell the difference between a lot of bikes from more than 20' away. But the XB9 & 12R are getting real close to looking like any other bike. Throw on a lower fairing & blend right in. | ||
| 420at145mph |
if only it sounded like a civic with a 3 inch pipe then that statement would be semi true | ||
| M1combat |
Throw in a lower fairing and they wouldn't stand out... Yeah... They'd still sound better , and I LIKE the sound of RPM's. I don't see how you can even begin to say that they are "getting real close to looking like every other bike". They are an air cooled V-twin. They have fins. They have NO exhaust to clutter the tail section. They run a belt. They have a ZTL brake setup. They have an ENTIRELY different looking frame. Face it, they are different, ricers are not. | ||
| 420at145mph |
hes just fishing for an argument blake musta won the stupid one about tires n now the troll needs fed | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
M1, throw on a black lower fairing on the XB12R & the frame just about disappears. And hell even without a fairing you cant even see the entire top half of the motor because its tucked up inside the frame. | ||
| Glitch |
Not to mention how small they are next to most race replicas. | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
LOL, im still waiting for Blakes response on the tire thread. Aint 5hit won or decided until RA next year. | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
Not to mention how small they are next to most race replicas. Glitch, park an XB12R next to a ZX10R or an 04R1 & see if you can actually tell which bike is smaller. Sure the XB has a slightly shorter wheelbase..primarily due to the extreme rake. But there is more to bike size than just wheelbase. Height, width, seat height, etc. | ||
| 420at145mph |
people please STOP FEEDING THE TROLL!!!!! u dont even ride a buell anymore all u do is start STUPID arguments cant u find a diffrent board to pollute? theres GOTTA be at least a gajillion R1 boards | ||
| Kaudette |
The big difference here is that the Buell attracts ALL rides - from the sportsbike guys all the way to the cruiser types - something you just don't see on most bikes... When's the last time you saw a guy riding a 996 asking questions about a Sportster or vice versa.?. The Buell attracts them both. | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
STFU Donnie. | ||
| M1combat |
But Dyna... They don't come with a fairing. You're talking about ADDING parts to make a bike blend in... Maybe while I'm at it I should hang a fake exhaust off the tail? How about taking OFF your fairing so yours has a chance at standing out. Oh, yeah, because it would then look quite ugly... At least a Buell looks good either way . I'd MUCH rather have something that looks good with AND without clothes. As far as size the R1 looks a good deal bigger because of the fairing (to me anyway). Thank you, Drive through. | ||
| M1combat |
"theres GOTTA be at least a gajillion R1 boards" That's because there's a gajillion R1's... |
