| Author | Message | ||
     R1DynaSquid |
Keep in mind that the M1's and the Diablo's are the same carcass.Just different thread pattern. From what I have read thats an internet myth. | ||
| Bads1 |
No thats the truth.Pirelli owns Metzeler | ||
| Ortegakid |
And de's da same race tyres,rennsport or supercorsa! | ||
| Bads1 |
Not likely. | ||
| Sshbsn |
WAHOO!!! After Dunlop 207s and then 208s, I put on M1s today and what a difference! Metzeler =  Dunlop =  I should have taken all the advice about those tires more seriously. Better late than never, thank you to all who recommended M1s! | ||
| Easyflier |
I can't think of anyone here that went back to Dunlops after riding Diablos or M1s. The Diablos were first recomended to me by riders in England, they like tires that can handle the wet. I think they were spot on. | ||
| Trenchtractor |
The Diablo and the M1 ARE NOT THE SAME CARCASS. The technology is the same, however, it's not like they are identical with different tread pattern. That is a far too literal interpretation of the truth. It's a case of chinese whispers, I think. I'll concede they are very similar, but not the same. Sorry Bads Pirelli ACTUALLY bought out Metzler for their CABLE (as in data) manufacture technology and the tyre side of it just came as part of that deal. That's not to say they aren't great tyres, but I have sort of been listening to the claim they are the same in silence for too long. Besides that, my local tyre guru reckons no one he sells tyres to replaces Pirelli's with Pirelli's at his shop.} Let's all aggree that different tyres are good on different bikes, But I kinda trust him. He's been selling nothing but motorcycle tyres for close to as long as I've been alive. Also, I've run Pirelli's on 2 bikes I've owned and thought they were good. Having said that I was also guilty of not replacing them with Pirelli's. | ||
| Bads1 |
Ask your tire guru what the difference is then.You put these two tires side by side and you look at them what you see is the same tire different tread. | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
Dana, just because the tires look similar doesnt mean squat. Rubber compound formulation, the way the carcass is wound, etc, etc cant be seen by just looking at them. Hell I could pick out 10 different truck tires from different manufacturers that look the same only with different tread, does this mean there is no difference? As I said before, that is an internet myth. | ||
| Buelluk |
To answer Fed's question ,I have no idea how the Pirelli's work in the rain, i don't ride in the rain .....too wet ! | ||
| Xb9er |
I had the M-1 and Pirelli Diablo (off the bike) side by side. As Bads1 said they look identical inside and out, except for the tread pattern. And they are radically different from the Dunlops, obviously. But the Diablo and M-1 are both stamped "Made in Germany" as well as having similar markings that I don't know how to decipher. The carcass winding looks identical (pattern inside tire and the color and texture of the matrix the cords are embedded in). The compounds are probably slightly different because I would guess that different teams would have developed each tire separately. It would not surprise me if the tires do actually come out of the same plant. None of you has anything tangible to back up your claims that this is a tire myth. But that's beside the point, the Dunlops put on XB's are inferior. This is kind of a stupid argument to have anyway, I mean a Bueller just died and asinine me arguing about meaningless stuff like tire truths/myths...... The M-1's work great in rain, I've been caught in three downpours. Mike. | ||
| Stealthxb |
Anyone have any info about the PirelliŽ ScorpionŽ Sync Tires? | ||
| Blake |
I always read with interest those accounts of riders switching tires and proclaiming their new choice to be significantly better. I wonder on what do they base such an observation. Pretty much any new sport tire is going to be a hell of a lot better than any used up sport tire. I've run various name brand street tires and have yet to find one that is noticeably better than any other. That said, I've not run the Metzelers on the street. Their race tires did fine. I'd be surprised if, being owned by the same corporation, Metzeler and Pirelli have not consolidated their tire manufacturing and design businesses. That is CEO 101 where I come from. I beleive the Metzeler and Pirelli tires are the same animal with different tread. Not 100% sure though. | ||
| 420at145mph |
after almost double the miles that i had on the stocker my metzlers still stick 100% better than the duplops EVER did | ||
| Sshbsn |
Blake: I base my tire observation on the fact that at 4K miles I am on my fourth (yes, fourth) set of tires. None of them yet has been "used up," and what I noticed after 840 miles on my 208s is that the M1s are "significantly better." | ||
| Bads1 |
Blake I to have tried several tire in the past on various bikes and some have lasted longer then others but haven't seen huge diff's in performance.But you haven't had any or should I say lengthly time on a XB have you???The DUNLOPS make this bike stand up under braking and with the tire change thats gone with a tire that has a rounder crown. | ||
| Blake |
"significantly better"? Do tell Sshbsn. How so? Dana, I've heard that. If that is what the poster is talking about then I can understand. I didn't take the post that way. I took it that he found Dunlop tires to be inferior in general, not just in interaction with the XB and the OEM D207 ZR front tire. So 420, your Dunlops lost grip and slid out from under you? I find that hard to believe seeing as how I've repeatedly taken a set of D205 sport touring tires to the edge. I imagine the D207 would perform even better. Y'all are free to hold your opinion, but from an objective view, there are simply way too many variables and unknowns riding on the street for anyone to reliably ascertain the relative performance of one sport tire versus any other. Road type, road surface condition, road surface temperature, moisture, tire temperature, tire pressure, tire wear, riding style, speed, wind... I'd be interested to know what exactly leads some to interpret that one tire make/model performs better than another. As I said in my first post above... "I wonder on what do they base such an observation." | ||
| 420at145mph |
my 207s felt like they were gonna slide out EVERY TIME id go low i couldnt go ANYWERE NEAR as low as i can on the sport tecs try a pair n ull shut it i base this on the fact that i can scrape my knee whenever i want now n wouldnt have dared to even try on the dunlops edited by 420at145mph on July 16, 2004 | ||
| Easyflier |
When I shed the 207s for the Diablos it changed the whole personality of the XB. I don't know if it would be as dramatic with other bikes but it sure makes a difference on an XB. Has anyone switched back to the 207s after trying another tire? | ||
| R1DynaSquid |
I beleive the Metzeler and Pirelli tires are the same animal with different tread. Not 100% sure though. Nope, different tread, different compound & slightly different profile. I emailed metzler & pirelli for the info. | ||
| Opto |
The 207's that came stock on my bike stuck like glue, they'd near bead up just sitting in the sun. Didn't like the standing up under brakes which was caused almost entirely by the front tyre (I know because I changed only the front tyre), but now the bike's starting to do it again more and more noticeably as the Bridgestones (BT012) currently fitted start to wear out, they're only half worn now, might try the M1's next time. | ||
| Easyflier |
Opto, out of curiousity, what temperature range do you usually ride in? | ||
| Bads1 |
Dyna if thats the info you got from them great but to the naked eye I like to know where the profile change is.You can't tell them apart. | ||
| Buelluk |
Totally agree with Easy: When I shed the 207s for the Diablos it changed the whole personality of the XB. I don't know if it would be as dramatic with other bikes but it sure makes a difference on an XB. I feel the same about the Pirelli's, I can see where Blake is coming from , I felt the D207 were OK, but I never felt entirely confident in them,the Pirelli's are a different ballgame. | ||
| Glitch |
"I wonder on what do they base such an observation." IMHO I have ridden my bike with the stock Dunlops (207s) for 500 miles. Hardly enough to ware the tires out. Switched out to M1s because I have a friend in the tire business and I could get them for a song, and I wanted to see if what everyone here was saying was true. Same bike, same roads, close to the same 500 miles. The difference (again IMHO) is amazing. What I said before I stand behind and will recommend to those who ask my opinion. Haven't tried the Diablos. Also haven't tried the M1s on any other bike. So there you have it, take it for what you will, info from the internet. | ||
| Blake |
Most likely, besides being heavier the new tires that you all found so significantly affected the character of your bike... they probably slightly altered the geometry of your bike due to larger or smaller tire diameters. You most likely could have achieved a similar result by adjusting the sag/preload of your front and rear suspension. That can make a HUGE difference in the handling of XB. I'm not sure 420 what you are talking about when you say it "felt like they were gonna slide out." I mean if they didn't actually slide on you, how do you know? Again, it was likely the effect of altering the geometry of the bike through the small but significant variation in tire diameter. You are dragging your knee riding on the street? I've never done that, only on the track, but I did do it on a set of well worn D205 sport touring tires. I've also slid them a bit. It ain't something I enjoy. Can you say "major creasing of the seat"? | ||
| Blake |
Dyna, Thanks for the solid info on the Pirelli versus Metzeler tires. Now we know. | ||
| Sshbsn |
Blake, I don't want to bicker with you over tires. Why don't you go to your local HD dealer, test ride an XB with Dunlops, then borrow an XB with M1s and see for yourself? I really only responded to your post because it struck me as condescending... | ||
| 420at145mph |
the anal one just likes to btch about anything then when people get out of hand he threatens a ban sshbsn has a good idea tho why dont u try it n see for yourself | ||
| BadS1 |
Thats kinda my thoughts also Blake.The 207 that come on the bike don't belong on it if other tire give it better handling charcteristics.It funny when Mike Cicotto and Barnes singned the frame on my bike,Mike said looks like you getting ready for a set of tire's I said yeah.He said try some pirellis you'll like the way they handle on your XB way more then the Dunlops.I bought M1's instead but I'm sure they aren't much different.As far as adjusting the sag I had Wes aka RacerX1 adjust out my suspension with me and that didn't help those tires in the least.I'm not saying there junk but there much better on the tubers were I used them and had great experience's with them. |
