| Author | Message | ||
     Blake |
Somebody please name a motorcycle that doesn't get hot sitting on sun-baked pavement in the middle of a hot sunny Summer day. | ||
| Blake |
This place never ceases to entertain. | ||
| Blake |
Bryan (Ratgin), Please don't take my sarcasm above as an attack on you. The change in behavior with your bike after having it worked on is a valid concern. Who is your servicing dealer? | ||
| Georgehitch17 |
I love this heat in the winters months!!!! | ||
| Avc8130 |
Blake, Do you own an 1125? I didn't post in this thread to complain. Only to see if anyone else had some solutions. The 1125 is by far the hottest bike I have ever ridden. This includes Ducati 848s which are notorious for cooking eggs on the seat. My SV650 would NEVER get this hot and would NEVER cook me. Now jump all over me for that being a girls bike and not being "high performance" but you only said to name a motorcycle that didn't get this hot. My GS450 was air cooled and it was cooler on the rider stopped than my 09 1125. There, that is 2. Come to think of it, my wife's Speed Triple doesn't cook the rider either in traffic/stopped. Sure, the coolant temp goes up, but this is relatively unknown to the rider except the gauge says so. I don't think you have personally experienced the heat off an 1125. It is INTENSE. Everyone that has ever ridden my 09 has commmented about it. It isn't something you just glass over. The thing that gets me, is how much COOLER my 08 feels. The 09 has the frame insulation. I understand the properties of insulation. My point is that once your "system" reaches a temp it isn't getting any cooler. What are the known differences between the 08 and 09? Frame insulation to COMBAT the heat is the one that comes to mind... Most other bikes I have owned might get warm in stop and go or sitting at lights...but they always cooled off VERY quickly once underway again. The 09 1125 doesn't seem to do this. It pretty much stays cooking until I shut it off and let it cool. ac | ||
| Eece_ret |
My old 954 would cook my thighs through a full set of leathers. The 1125 is no different. Personally I think this would be pretty common on machines with motors set as stressed members, lots of engine to frame surface area for the xfer. The question I would ask myself? Is this behavior worse after the stator work. Personally, I don't usually see CT above 190's, never above 212, thats on 105+ days through the canyons with parade pace once back in town. Voltages will go all over the place but the temps seem to stay very well in check. (Message edited by eece_ret on July 11, 2011) | ||
| 1324 |
My 1125R was also unbearable, and I'm pretty tolerant of heat. So hot in fact, I'd rather ride in a car than on the bike during the summer. My VFR was quite warm, but it paled in comparison to the 1125. FWIW, I just did a cooling system flush on my Triumph S3 this past weekend. Upon disassembly, I verified proper operation of my thermostat. Rated at 88C (190F), mine actually came in on the high side of the +/-5C window at 92C. So in essence, this bike operates around at least 198F, but I'd never know it. The difference between the 1125 and every other bike I've ridden is unreal in terms of heat. If only we could derive a useful way to harness the heat. Integrated tire warmers perhaps? Either way, 1125's make nice winter bikes. | ||
| Blake |
That the bike may get hot is not what makes me chuckle. It's the rewriting of the laws of physics that does that. I've heard the same complaints about heat since BadWeB began back in 1998. It bothers some folks a lot. I'd get rid of a bike and get another if it bother me that much. One guy here says he cannot ride when temperatures are over 80F. The internet is funny as are people. Some are more tender than others physically and mentally. | ||
| 1324 |
Blake, you're from TX. I lived in Houston for 12 HOT months. While I did acclimate, you folks are 'different'. Different also meaning that the puffy coats came out when the temps dipped in the 50's!  | ||
| Jdugger |
I'm down here, and I like it hot, too. It was over 100F this weekend, and I felt very comfortable on the track. Yes, it's very hot, yes you sweat like a pig, but as long as you starting drinking plenty of water the day before you would be surprised how comfortable you really are. My 1125r does run warm -- perhaps a bit warmer than other sportbikes I've owned when in stock trim. The Flexi-Glass bodywork cures that problem, though, and I highly recommend it. Scrap the pods and fans, which at speed only inhibit cooling airflow, and run straight water + water wetter. At constant WOT, I run a bit above 200F, even in 100F ambient temps, and the race bike is waaaay cooler than my stock bike. In the paddock, if you don't have a good fan on it, you get a temp light (250+F) in a real hurry. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
mine is an 08 they came with none and i couldn't persuade my dealer into installing it under warranty although they did do the cali can for me. i do have the headers wrapped completely and a couple layers thick in a few spots. that seemed to help a bit but not much. the heat doesn't really bother me so much(my blood thinned after 2 summers in iraq) | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
my honda(cruiser) with no gauges didn't feel as hot to me as the buell does on the left. the right is about the same due to exhaust. granted completely different architecture involved and when the cooling fan would come on the hot air would def blow on me but not nearly as 'bad' as the buell. also helps that there was only 1/3rd the power to keep cool and i swear the radiator on the honda was as big as both ours put together, no oil cooler though. chrome=not hot? not on this planet. chrome parts get as hot as anything else does. jajaja Dugger the rest of us ride the street so...lol believe me i would love to have that as a solution but i can't tote a hurricane fan with me everywhere i go and use it when i stop in traffic. i'm kinda with blake on this one, i live in ne floriduh with high humidity and pretty high temps to boot and avoid rush hour as best i can because sitting still on top of a gas fueled oven is never fun no matter what brand it is. | ||
| Sl33py |
It stays pretty cool in PNW, so no issues so far. Ridden in 100*F and it was hot, but mostly due to leather jacket. I can boil my gas in the frame, but just don't squeeze with my legs - a bit more room and all is fine. Though most of the time temps are definitely below 80... but i'm comfortable in jeans or chinos while riding. stock 09, stock ECM and exhaust. | ||
| Avc8130 |
The bike is hot. Very hot. Even the original "professional" reviews said so. Many test riders complained of their right feet burning in their boots. Of course people are "tender". Any good cooked meat is. ac | ||
| Jdugger |
> Many test riders complained of their right feet burning in their boots. Yea, it comes off the header and also from the rear cyl. That's the purpose of that goofy plastic piece just above the right rear set. Ironically, you don't get that heat dump nearly as bad when you go to a full fairing setup. | ||
| Eece_ret |
You could also grab a set of TechSpec grip pads for the frame. They work and look great with the possible side effect/benefit of some added insulation between the thighs... Honestly I have never thought about it as I never felt this bike got any hotter than other sport bikes I have ridden. | ||
| Avc8130 |
I have the Tech Spec on my bike. I thought it would help for insulation...but again, once everything is soaked "to temp"...there ain't much that's gonna help. | ||
| Brumbear |
I put on my barker and never had a problem since. I am not saying that is a cure all or even something you should do. It stands to reason trading a 19 pound hunk of steel witch dissipates heat much slower than aluminum and replacing it with a 4 pound aluminum piece and I have never had the problem reoccur until I put the stock can back on last year when I broke the Barker.I am also skeptical about the gaskets at the header they seem to leak a bit of heat right at your leg. I also think that helped with the clutch weep problem I had devoloped last year. But thats just me | ||
| Milt |
I wear leathers in the summer to keep my legs relatively cool. Go figure. | ||
| Freight_dog |
Somebody please name a motorcycle that doesn't get hot sitting on sun-baked pavement in the middle of a hot sunny Summer day. My 2004 air cooled Suzuki Katana. Regardless of the outside temp, the fuel tank and fairing stay cool to the touch. Sure it gets hot in leathers and a helmet, but the biggest source of heat is the sun, not the bike. I wouldn't complain if I didn't have a frame of reference. (Message edited by Freight_dog on July 11, 2011) | ||
| Ratgin |
Eece_ret "Personally, I don't usually see CT above 190's, never above 212, thats on 105+ days through the canyons with parade pace once back in town." All stock? Mine is stock, runs antifreeze and i saw 104C on it today and wasn't a sunny day, Dealer is pointing at the fairing and claiming that the bike was designed without them and that's likely the cause. /bangs head When i told him many dealers sold them with the factory Buell side fairings he didn't know. I don't blame the dealer as they have only ever seen three of them in the shop. its a rare bike up here. Ive the only one left on the road in this area. its been bumped to district service manager for HD. Left it there for them to pull the code that popped, Hope to here soon whats going on. Im disappointed.. its making an XR1200 look like a trade up -( | ||
| Avc8130 |
The part that baffles me is that I don't see the coolant temps. My bike has NEVER been above 202F on the CT gauge. However, at 185F there have been days that it cooked me alive. There is little consistency. I know it doesn't make sense. I have added a Fluke infrared thermometer to my tail bag. I am going to take frame temps when the bike is cooking me (assuming I can "get" it to). Today it was 92F on my ride home. Typical ride home. CT was right around 185F. Bike was comfy. Stopped at a light after some highway. CT went up to 196F. Bike got only a tad warmer. It definitely takes longer to shed heat than make heat. | ||
| Froggy |
I've noticed the same. I brought an infrared thermometer with me on rides last summer to check frame temperatures after my various commutes. My observations was that the frame temperature says consistent in relation to ambient temp. Most parts of the frame would be about 20-30°F hotter than the air temp, regardless if it was 70 or 100 out. I didn't notice any difference between my 08 and 09, but I never though to use the thermometer and compare. Still, both of them are lightyears cooler than my XB. Ratgin, I do believe something is wrong with your bike, while they all can get toasty in some situations, yours is extreme. Blake, my Blast is my choice for summer commuting due to it being the most tolerable in my fleet in terms of heat, but the lack of a rear cylinder is probably the cause of that. | ||
| Avc8130 |
Froggy, So you noticed it was inconsistent by your "feel", but the "science" proved it was dead consistent? Ironically, a buddy's XB was generally cooler than my CR. My 08R is MUCH different. That is the part that gets me. The 08 is due for its valve adjustment. I am debating the merits of frame insulation. My 09 with the factory insulation is hotter than the 08 with NONE. ac | ||
| Froggy |
Yep that is correct. Neither of my bikes are scorchers or will risk burning me, but they can get a bit on the toasty side when stopped. I do believe that there is more to it than just the bike itself based on my observations. The bike can feel like its putting off more heat one day than the other, yet CTs were all in the same neck of the woods, and frame temperatures were pretty much unchanged. Being that your CR is pumping off more heat than your 08 and a XB, I believe you also are having the same type of heat issue that Rat is having, but not as extreme. | ||
| Blake |
Just a slight change in ambient breeze, even it's direction can make a bike feel like it is hotter or cooler. In one case the heat is shed away from the rider, or frame, or what have you, in another it is shed onto the rider or frame, or what have you. There is not a motorcycle made that won't get hot parked on pavement in the middle of a hot sunny Summer day. Air cooled or liquid cooled makes little difference. The heat must be shed. It's not that one doesn't produce heat, it just may not put as much onto the rider or surfaces with which he/she comes into contact. Lots of highly empirical opinion here. I appreciate information like Frank presents, actually having measured temperatures. For instance the statement by Avc should more responsibly read "my 09 with the factory insulation Perceptions can be influenced by all kinds of variables. | ||
| Blake |
Is is conceivable that insulation on the frame might increase heat shed onto the rider, while at the same time reducing the temperature of the frame, which was the intent of the insulation. | ||
| Avc8130 |
Nah, I maintain that my bike with factory installed insulation IS hotter than my 08 with none. I can watch coolant temp and tell you that...empircally. Is is conceivable that insulation on the frame might increase heat shed onto the rider, while at the same time reducing the temperature of the frame, which was the intent of the insulation. FINALLY...the whole point of the thread! Although...at some point when the insulation has reached full temperature it isn't doing anything. Heat is transferring right through. If anything, the METAL of the frame out in the breeze along with some air flow would most likely help frame temps more than insulation. Insulation is designed to SLOW the transfer of heat along its width. Not allowing the heat to transfer to the frame means it must go somewhere...where does it go? The rider's seat sure FEELS like one of the primary spots. That is my contention: According to Buell literature, the cooling system is designed to take air from the scoops, pass it through the radiators, along the frame next to the motor and run it out under the tail. Insulation on the frame in this area may be limiting this airflow and not allowing the motor to cool as efficiently. Air can only come in and through the radiators as efficiently as it can leave. ac | ||
| Blake |
>>> The bike is hot. Very hot. Even the original "professional" reviews said so. Many test riders complained of their right feet burning in their boots. That was resolved with the heat shield. No test rider ever complained about any other hot spot that I know of. Let's try to be better about stating the facts, shall we. Twisting one specific hot spot, since rectified via heat shield as evidence of some kind of overall issue is simply not honest. I'm sensing a pattern. It seems you like to go out of your way to badmouth the bike playing loosey-goosey with the facts. Hope I'm wrong. If I am, then let's try to do better shall we? If your intent is to smear the bike, then just leave. | ||
| Avc8130 |
Blake, What does a heat shield do exactly? It certainly doesn't get "rid" of the heat. It stops it from affecting that one spot so greatly. Adding a shield has relocated the heat...not eliminated it. Smear the bike? I have 2. I am not out to smear the bike. But I am also not out to sing praises that don't exist. You don't own an 1125...at all. This bike is HOT. My 09 is HOTTER than my 08. There MUST be a reason for that. MANY other people on the board have discussed how warm these bikes are. I have provided many THEORIES (and they are just that, theories...my personal ramblings and ideas) on how we might be able to combat this (notice I didn't say repair as nothing is TECHNICALLY broken). I didn't come to this thread looking to sue for 2nd degree burns or because my garage burned down with my cat in it when the fuel boiled over and caught on fire. Everyone in this thread is looking for the same thing: methods to reduce heat on the rider...except YOU. You are in this thread calling us "tender" and down-playing our experience. How about HELPING? Being constructive? Offering some solutions other than "there is no problem"? ac |
