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Kirb
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 09:14 am: | 
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I actually prefer being the only controller in charge of my motorcycle. It's one of the more appealing aspects of riding for me. But I don't like to ride around pretending that I'm a superstock racer.
I have not sampled the S1000, but the people who have that are not superstock racers do say it lowers lap times and makes them a better rider. Everyone would like to think they are the best at controlling the world around them, but a good control system will always be better than a human's inconsistancies. It's just a matter of varibles and how you process them. BMW seems to have done a decent job.
I do have to say that the reviews are impressive. They seem to have topped the competition on just about every aspect of a sport bike. This will have the Japanese in scramble mode to catch up. |
Dktechguy112
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 11:27 am: |
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The s1k is the only bike that no one wrecked on at the press release. The traction control system is second to none, and race abs, how can that be anything but helpful.
And bmw's are know as being reliable, but they are expesive to work on. I know a couple people that have. Over 150k miles on their Bmw motorcycles(k1200lt). I have a k1200r and it is impressive, I can't imagine how much better the s1k is. |
Kirb
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 11:48 am: |
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And bmw's are know as being reliable, but they are expesive to work on
BMW's have their own problems which are well documented online. They are quite tight lipped about them, so you end up finding out about them through forums.
The GS driveline failures are some of the more famous ones. |
Jaimec
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 11:54 am: |
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FYI: Since switching from the Kawasaki ZX-6 bikes to the BMW S1000RR, California Superbike School reported class-day crashes on school bikes have DECREASED 50%... this despite the fact the S1000RR is the most powerful production motorcycle you can buy.
The electronics WORK. |
Jaimec
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 11:57 am: |
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Kirb, Online forums are a poor place to determine reliability. The people who DON'T have problems rarely post... only the ones WITH problems do.
I have a first-year model K1200LT. I suffered two of the well-documented issues with the bike... shift-linkage snapped at about 18,000 miles (fixed under warranty and never broke again) and the rear bearing failure at 40,000 miles (fixed under warranty and never broke again). The bike is at nearly 147,000 miles to date.
I only WISH the three Buells I've owned in that same time had as many problems as I've had with my K1200LT. |
Tippster
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 12:24 pm: |
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...the S1000RR is the most powerful production motorcycle you can buy.
Well, besides Suzuki’s Hayabusa or Kawasaki’s ZZR1400.
(Message edited by Tippster on January 31, 2011) |
Kirb
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 01:43 pm: |
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Kirb, Online forums are a poor place to determine reliability. The people who DON'T have problems rarely post... only the ones WITH problems do.
It's all about what you do with the information given...The person who picked up my 1125 was armed with questions about the stator, clutch leak, or heat issues. Ask a BMW dealer about driveline failures and you usually get 'I've never seen one' or 'we only had one'. Not exactly good information.
A person can come here and see quite a few stator failures decide that there are: A- more stator failures than are posted here as not all owners post. B- there are quite a few failures for the number of bikes made. Using this information one could come to the conclusion that a stator failure could be a likely problem down the road...out of warranty.
You have had (2) documented (online, I'm sure) issues and none since. Doesn't that prove the point I was making? BMW bikes do have issues. They are not bullet proof.
There is enough documented bikes out there getting very high mileage which does point to a particular brand's reliability. On average, Honda, BMW, and even in some cases Moto Guzzi are know for very high mileage with low failure rate bikes. Hell, there are plenty of 200k+ Harleys out there as well (I'm sure they are in the minority since most are lucky to put 3k miles a year on them) |
Jaimec
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 06:38 pm: |
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Tippster: Have you seen the horsepower numbers? The S1000RR whomps even those two on the top end. And weighs almost 100 lbs less to boot. |
Jaimec
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 06:39 pm: |
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Kirb: Two problems in 147,000 miles? I'd take that in ANY vehicle. I wish my CARS were that reliable. |
Duphuckincati
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 07:04 pm: |
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Tippster, are typing high?
http://www.superstreetbike.com/features/1009_sbkp_ horsepower_shootout_bmw_s1000rr_vs_world/index.htm l |
Tippster
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 07:12 pm: |
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Jaimec:
2011 BMW: 193 HP, 83 ft/lbs of Torque
2011 Hayabusa: 197HP, 103ft/lbs
2011 Ninja ZX-14R: 190HP (200 at 120mph due to Ram Jet) 113 ft/lbs
Not much "whomping."
Dude, I'm in as love with the Bimmer as anyone else but let's leave it at "most powerful Liter bike." That torque makes up for a lot of the extra weight the other two carry, especially since the Kawi is only 20lbs heavier. That's negligible since I weigh at least that much more than you (I need to lose weight... ) |
Court
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 09:15 pm: |
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Good Lord . . am I reading that 100mph - 150mph chart properly?
It appears the BMW is in a class by itself if I am.
That's pretty amazing if it's accurate. The BMW would be nearly out of sight of the 2nd fastest bike.
When I was a kid that's what we called a good old fashioned ass kickin' . . . |
Fireboltxb9r
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 09:17 pm: |
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Well, I don't own, nor have I ever owned a BMW, but this new S1000RR has really caught my attention. I must also add I'm quite impressed with the BMW HP2 Sport as well. I'm sure to get some time in the saddle on the RR as I have a buddy with a 2010 and another who just picked up an 2011 on Saturday.
Been a huge Buell fan since '02 when I bought an '03 XB9R (still own it) and really love my '09 1125R I bought last April. Can't wait till spring to rack up some new miles! I've got no plans of getting rid of the 1125R but if the BMW S1000RR is any indication of where this sport is going, I'm definitely going to stay tuned. And now with BMW's introduction of the worlds lightest and most narrow inline 6 (160HP), how can one not take interest? Take a look at this irresistible concept model and I beg you to differ! 2012? We can only hope!!
http://www.ohaithere.com/seemore/seemore.php?url=h ttp://www.upscaleswagger.com/wp-content/uploads/20 09/11/bmw-concept-60027.jpg |
Court
| | Posted on Monday, January 31, 2011 - 10:30 pm: |
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Grizzly has an HP2 Sport and can't say enough good things about it. |
Blake
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - 12:02 am: |
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HP 2 is real. |
Kirb
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - 08:40 am: |
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}Kirb: Two problems in 147,000 miles? I'd take that in ANY vehicle. I wish my CARS were that reliable.
Point missed because you don't read what I posted.
Bravo on your K bike's mileage. All the world shall bow down to BMW's near perfect bikes and the shameless (and humble) riders who pilot them. We all should be as lucky as the people smart enough to buy BMW....
Is ~THAT~ better? |
Court
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - 10:50 am: |
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A rather famous . . . . . well at least to terrorists in Europe . . Badwebber had ridden the HP2 with some success in competition.
But sometimes even the most successful folks just don't seem to share the love . . . .
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Reepicheep
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - 12:49 pm: |
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That's one BMW I wouldn't mind having sitting out in my garage. In fact given the choice of that or a hypermotard, I think I would take that.
I'm sure they are stupid expensive though... |
Court
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - 04:01 pm: |
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>>>I'm sure they are stupid expensive though...
They are . . those guys are about as expensive, almost by accident, as you can get.
One quit working, started racing and continues to go faster and faster not seeming to have a care in the world about how hard the rest of us are working.
Another . . . built the most spectacular bike operating room I've seen, parked his bikes in it and dove, quite literally, into SCUBA mask over fins . . to the point he's having top end personalized multiple tank racks made.
Another . . well. . . also up and quit his job and moved to another continent. The weather has him wondering, on pretty much a weekly basis, if he made the right choice. I'm not sure we'll see him in the Paris-Dakar (after political insurgents and gun fire disrupted the last one) but what the heck . . kids are growing and he's plenty busy.
One bought the Ponderosa . . . THOUGHT he was going to retire when someone dangled the "it's impossible, but we need someone to try" job offer. It's old hat now, how he seems to excel at these things but . . anyway . . he put together a hand picked team of about 40 of the best engineers in the world and they made history . . . again. Not sure if it was burn out, "off-the-gridedness" or whatever . . but he's hiding in what looks to be a 9,000SF cabin on a gorgeous lake about 30 miles from civilization. How could you not love someone who just sent you a hard drive with like 900,000 songs on it last week?
Trouble seems to find yet another. . . he got sucked into the musical vortex. ABout 30 guitars and 15 amps later (he can't stop stacking AC30's) and . . oh yes, a smoke machine . . he ended up adding a complete recording studio with a performance area to the house. Started a new band and had been gigging. Wore that out so he's off to "test sail" his newly acquired, not shit, YACHT, next week with 2 journalists from LA who are flying in to write about it. He has a habit, even leaves clothes and stuff here, of showing up at my house, hanging out for a week, getting in a car, hanging out with a friend in WI for a week and then disappearing . . no clue as to what part of the world he's in on any given day.
You can see why the Badweb of old was so much trouble . . these guys . . .each and everyone of them are nothing but juvenile delinquents who have aged.
These guys . . . I'll tell you . . , are PURE TROUBLE with a capital "T".
I feel lucky to have talked to nearly all of them in the last 2 weeks and to keep in touch.
Someday I wanna get in trouble too . . I . . as their moral custodian . . am ready!
The "Old" Badweb was quite an interesting place. |
Rogue_biker
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 01, 2011 - 06:28 pm: |
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I admire sportbikes of all makes. As impressive as the BMW s1000r is, it kind of begs the question: where would you use all that power?
Back in 1997 I bought a ZX11D. Remember those? Yup. It was the fastest thing in production. I used all that power sparingly and only to put my buddie's XX back in its place!
In 2000 I bought a Hayabusa. I was the king of the world. That bike was so fast and handled so well for its time. Even then, I rarely used all that power. Maybe twice! I used maybe 80%.
Today's liter class bikes will whoop the Hayabusa. I can't imagine where on this Earth anyone would use that kind of power. It's like a Bugatti Veriyon with its 1000 bhp and active aerodynamics that allow it to go 223 mph. You can't even use that in the Autobahn! The only realistic place to use that power is if it had wings and you can fly! LOL!
So although I'm impressed by the huge steps in power delivery and management, I have no desire to buy a bike simply due to those merits. I would say for me, 120-130 bhp is plenty because that I would use for passing and accelerating where I ride. Anything more and it's just sort of waisted on me. |
Jaimec
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - 10:24 am: |
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Court, I had the opportunity to ride my friend's HP2 Sport and I have to say it is the most impressive bike I've EVER thrown a leg over. Absolutely amazing. Would I pay $30K for one? Oh HELL no! But if I can ride one every now and then for free, sign me up! |
Duphuckincati
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - 12:43 pm: |
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One of the things I like about the CR is the lower gearing so I am usually below 90 mph. I live in an area with plenty of open and mostly unpatrolled roads. Some of my previous liter class bikes had me over 120 quite a bit, too much maybe. Lucky I never got arrested or hurt. Which leads me to my thoughts of that open class sportbikes will do one of the following-
1. If you know how to use the power and do, you will end up hurt, dead, or arrested.
2. If you know how to use the power and don't because of the above, you're frustrated.
3. If you don't know how to use the power, you're a bit of a poser. As much as I love the big power and speed, no more open class bikes for me. Unless I find I only have a few months to live or something anyway. |
Rogue_biker
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - 03:04 pm: |
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Excellent points Duph. All true. |
Fast1075
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - 03:21 pm: |
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I am in two sportbike clubs...the guys respect my lowly Lightning...you can only use so much power on the street. |
Jaimec
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - 04:35 pm: |
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quote:you can only use so much power on the street.
I think everyone who owns a Buell knows and understands that. Sadly, we're in the minority... |
Rogue_biker
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 02, 2011 - 04:52 pm: |
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Most knowledgeable riders understand that. But they still want to buy the most powerful. I was there once and I can understand the attraction. Knowing you have the fastest is a powerful mind-altering drug. LOL!
When I owned my Hayabusa some people I didn't even know came up to talk to me because they worshipped the bike and what it represented. It crossed all ages and genders too. My riding buddies called them "Hayabusa Groupies". LOL!
(Message edited by rogue_biker on February 02, 2011) |
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