| Author | Message | ||
     G4string |
First off, let me say that I have absolutely zero experience with ECMSpy. In all actuality; I have zero experience with any remote, computer based tuning software. I mean; I know the basic premise, basic purpose, and basic theory.....but I have never used the program. As far as mods that I plan on doing to my bike (07' XB12STT); I plan on doing a Drummer, KN, open air box, de-snorkel, and of course an ECM. Maybe somewhere down the road a port/polish and bolt-on big bore kit. If I do go that way, that is atleast 2-3 seasons down the road. I know the EB Race ECM is about $225. I can get it pre-mapped for Drummer and KN. As far as the cost involved with ECMSpy, I have no idea what "gear" I would need to tune. I do know I have a Mac, so I would need to run Boot Camp. I am of the understanding that ECMSpy needs Windows, not Mac. How easy is it for a ECMSpy newbie to interrogate the program and successfully tune a bike. Is it more economical to just buy the Race ECM or get the ECMSpy and tune yourself?? Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!!! PS....I forgot about TPS resets. Can ECMSPy do TPS resets?? Can I do my own TPS reset on an 07' with out the dealer or do I still need an external program for that?? (Message edited by g4string on August 20, 2010) | ||
| Brightbuell |
I would reccomind that you get your Drummer, KN, open air box, de-snorkel first. See how it runs and if you feel it needs help then come back and ask about tunning with ecmspy, or Erik Buell Racing Race ECM. By the time you complete those mods you will have much more knowledge for the next step. you do have an ECM in your bike. it just depends on how much you know when your ready to take that step. You might end up just buying a race ECM. Just beware, Erik Buell Racing Race ECM's dont always fix everyones problems. | ||
| G4string |
Brightbuell, No offense, but wouldn't doing all of the mods I plan on doing cause the bike to run lean w/ a potential un-even fuel map. I have always been under the impression that once you alter the way air enters and leaves an engine that you need to alter fuel delivery.....hence the ECM tune or race ECM. (Message edited by g4string on August 21, 2010) | ||
| Brightbuell |
What year do you have? My 09 does auto tune with in a respectable range. I rode my bike after those mods just like every one else before tunning or buying a race ecm. Im just saying before you buy something for $250. I told you the best thing to do. I tuned my own bike with a map from a buddy ecmspy and tunnerpro. You dont know what your optinons are, or what you need untill you see how your bike acts after your mods. I rode mine for a year with all those mods before tunning my bike. So again once you get to that point you will have a better understanding that I cant teach you in one post. Your altitude also plays a part in how your bike will react and how much your bike will compinsate for the changes. If you have an 07 or older, and you may want to clarify the years but if you have an older xb it will not auto tune to help compensate. You probley will need to do one or the other but in order to tune your one bike with ecmspy you will need to be able to comunicate with fellow buellers that have an open mind to that as an option and the guys here dont like to learn how to do that. In order to find someone to help you like i did you will need to go to buellxb.com. Thats what I did and thats how mine turned out great. so start your mods and keep researching. My main point is that there are at least 10,000 people with moded buells just like you want, with slight vareations and they dont have a race ecm, and they have not tunned with ecmspy. They are all riding and a lot of them are very happy with the way it is, so dont get ahead of yourself. you can buy it a week after you buy the mods just wait to see how it runs. You will be able to ride it. (Message edited by brightbuell on August 21, 2010) (Message edited by brightbuell on August 21, 2010) | ||
| G4string |
BB, I here where you are coming from....makes sense. For clarification, my bike is an 07' STT. I am currently in LV, NV (2000ft) but plan on getting back to the midwest real soon(elev 600-800 feet). I will head over to buellxb.com. The permormance mods are "winter" prtojects. I am in no hurry, I just want to to start my research now, while I have time. Thanks! JG | ||
| Delta_one |
I think the Erik Buell Racing ecm would be the one to buy, mapped tuned, and ready to go. with ecm spy you will need to data log use the mapping program, it would take several runs to get it right. (not sure how many, I have heard of people doing it over a weekend and others taking several weeks to get it done) guess it depends on money and convenience and what is worth more to you, time or money. sounds like Ill catch you on BuellXb.com too cheers | ||
| Brightbuell |
With ecm spy you could get a map from a friend whos bike is running great with the same mods as yours. If he has spent the money tunning his there would be no reason to pay to tune yours. There would be no reason to pay $250 when you have an Ecm that you can flash with that good map from your buddy. I had no problems but the reason I say to wait is to see how comfotable you are with computers and your bike. If your freaking out about it do what Delta one said, if your a wise educated person that can take his time and fallow steps then i recomind flashing a map onto your ECM. You can save your original and if your not completely happy with the map you get from a buddy you can put your map right back on in 5 min. You can try as many diff maps as you want. I want every one to know there will be people who resist this cause someone is loosing money when you learn you can fix your own bike. By flashing a good map that works great on the same bike with the same mods you only pay for the cable. So think about when you first got your computer back in the 90's and you would pay someone to do what now seams so simple cause it is. Its the same thing. You dont have to learn to tune anything. Get a map from someone who learned already. Just like you dont have to write a program to remove spywear or a virus, you just have to install the antivirus disc and fallow direction and take your time. Same thing so dont let people intimadate you. $250 is not a huge amount of money, but its also not 100% that is going to be great. It could be ok. It could be crappy. It could be great. Its not 100%, and ask them if it does not work can you return it. HELL NO YOU CANT RETURN IT! Ask them if you can bring it by to have them fine tune it if its not what you expected. You will wait in a huge line and pay big bucks. So I just want to make that clear. If I had $10,000 laying around, I would have bought one, i dont and i figured mine out with help from other buellers and im glad i waited a few more days. Also just because it says race in the name does not mean its a race ECM. Its just an ECM from Erik Buell Racing with a map on it. You have an ECM in every one of your bikes. You have a map on it, you just need to put another map on it for the changes made by the mods. Some years are easer then others. So do your home work first. If it seams way over your head support Erik Buell Racing and buy their Erik Buell Racing ECM the odds are good that it will work fine. Just make sure you ask them in an email about the what if's. I am not making any money posting this, im telling you all what I did. I did email them with many questions. if you want to sent it back after you buy it to have them adjust it they charge $50. yes, they charge you $50 to make an adjustment to the Erik Buell Racing ECM you just paid $250 for and didnt work like you thought. Am i beating a dead horse? I just want to cover everything. I love my buell and I want the best for it. I need to know whats best for my bike for life. Im not going to guess your odds for an Erik Buell Racing ECM to work on your bike, but if your mods are done correct i would emagin they are pretty good it will work. Im not trying to scare you away im just trying to give you some facts. One more thing, I did ask why they just couldent flash the map onto my EcM and they said that theres has a for race use only on it. Well why dont they just put a sticker on mine and flash a map on it and charge me $50. They said mine was not a $700 tuneable ECM. Well they know just as well as I do the $700 tunable ECM is just an ECM with a tunning program. If I can use Ecm spy and Tunner pro to flash a map in 5 min for free why cant they do it for $50? Because $250 fills your pocket faster then $50. They might say they dont have the rights to make money off of ecm spy and tunner pro, and that might be true, but if they gave ecm spy and tuner pro 20% of their proffit then Erik Buell Racing, you, me, ecm spy, and tunner pro would save and make money. We would all win, but Erik Buell Racing would not win as much as they do by charging $250. I thing by being loyal to buell, buell should be loyal to us and cut us this break. (Message edited by brightbuell on August 22, 2010) | ||
| Buelltroll |
GOD DAMN! man your a long winded mutha fu***. I THINK HE'S GOT IT! | ||
| Brightbuell |
Dont be a trolling, wait sorry didnt see the name.  | ||
| Brightbuell |
I know its a little over kill. Im trying to get a point across that there are options. Im not trying to sound like a dick. Sorry if I came off like a dick. (Message edited by brightbuell on August 22, 2010) | ||
| Froggy |
It is very easy. Hardest part in your case will be getting ECMspy to fire up, as you will have to jump through hoops and Bootcamp. We can walk you through the rest.
It is easier to buy the Race ECM and go that route, but tuning the stock ECM is still doable. Either way, you will need ECMspy to reset the TPS.
That would be quite generous of them for sure!
Ummm what?
I assume you are referring to the Race ECM. There is no 100% guarantee anything in life will be perfect the first time. Hell, even copying a map off another ECM can go horribly wrong and not write correctly, resulting in the bike not running life. If something doesn't work, get it fixed. So far every case I have seen with a bike not working good with a Race ECM was not due to a ECM issue. Similar to how changing your turn signals will not fix a flat tire.
Rubbish.
Wait, you are telling me you want someone to spend several hours on a dyno custom tuning your bike for you, and do it for free? Get real, find any tuner that will do that.
Sooooo, its a Race ECM then! What else did you expect it to do, shave your beard?  Also, its more than just a different fuel map.
Rubbish again, its $25.
No, you got it wrong again. If something isn't working right, they will get you straightened out. If you change your pipe and want a different map, or want to change the fan programming, or idle, or so on, then yes you will be charged a small fee for their time.
The $250 Race ECM is aimed at trackday riders, so they can swap it out for the track and then put the stock one back in to remain street legal.
Legal liability, they very well might be able to do that if they knew the bike was going to remain a track bike, and not just a street bike with the headlight taped off.
It is a fantastic tuning program too, and given the cost of development for it, it is a bargain. Look up the cost of specialty software, like AutoCAD. ECMspy and Tunerpro are both projects that are done by a small team of volunteers in their free time, hence why they are free programs, but they aren't as polished as the Buell tuner. Tunerpro will do 99% of what most people want to do, and it is fantastic for that.
Legal liabilities, plus software licensing restrictions, I am mostly certain it says somewhere that Tunerpro is not for commercial use.
I bet you are waiting for Obama to pay your moragage too!  (Message edited by froggy on August 22, 2010) | ||
| Brightbuell |
I just like to stir up shit when the board gets a little slow. It makes people think and it gives you Froggy an opportunity to show how knowledgeable you are. Nothing wrong with that. As far as the mortgage ,no, but a free back surgery would be great. |
