| Author | Message | ||
     Ingemar |
No, I don't want to start another oil thread...really, I don't!  Does anyone has any experience with red line oil? I wanted to get mobil 1 but for some stupid reason no one has it over here (Netherlands). Even called Exxon HQ to ask about it and they claimed it should be in nearly every mobil/Esso/Exxon gas station. Well, they're wrong! It's not and the stations claim they can't even order it! So now I'm looking at red line but it's a lot more expensive. A complete oil change, filter and trans would cost me 'bout 120 bucks. Worth it? I doubt it to be honest. | ||
| Bud |
yep ido wanna see my crack bearings after 25ooo km  i love the redline stuff, your engine will run cooler but i believe any good 20/50 synth. will do fine | ||
| Bomber |
I can't imagine that any oil would be worth that much . . . .. you guys have a number of good synth oiuls available in Europe . . . . any one them (in the proper weight) should be more than good enough . . . .. gor 120 bucks, it should change itself and clean up afterwards! | ||
| Ortegakid |
try motul,you should be able to get that there. | ||
| 420at145mph |
royal purple supposedly ADDS POWER | ||
| Ingemar |
by adding negative friction additives?  | ||
| M1combat |
No, it's the little royal purple gnomes that help to push on the flywheel. | ||
| Ingemar |
HAHAHA!  | ||
| 420at145mph |
heh i dont know how but it supposedly does | ||
| M1combat |
I just told you . It MAYBE robs less HP to start with but I can't imagine that it would be any better than a good synthetic of the proper weight. | ||
| Hootowl |
Redline is good oil, just keep the heavy shockproof as far from your tranny as possible. You should be able to order Redline oil (about US$8 a quart) from a variety of online stores, but since oil is classified as a hazardous material, you may not be able to ship it by air. Jeff | ||
| Yeahcmon |
I'm with 420 on this one, royal purple has been proven to add power. Buddy of mine put it in his built 355 small block and it produced 25+ more horsepower than the mobile 1 super syn he was running previously. I've got some on order!!!! | ||
| Ortegakid |
Hootowl,why no shockproof?,we ran this stuff in our race cars for years and it was fantastic.And royal purple and miletec were our secret sauce race winning secret for years! | ||
| Ingemar |
Yeah, why not the shockproof? | ||
| Whodom |
The shockproof stuff is intended for use in auto rear ends. It is evidently viscous enough to prevent metal-to-metal contact between the rear end gears even in drag racing starts (~8,000 RPM, massive slicks, side-step the clutch, etc.). A guy I work with says the stuff is amazing. His drag car was destroying ring and pinion gears on a regular basis until he switched to the Redline shockproof. Hasn't lost one since. That said, I can't imagine it's what you'd want to put in your Buell's transmission. | ||
| Ingemar |
Thanx for the info on red line guys. For those interested, I've been looking into that royal purple stuff, and I'd steer far far away from it. Its use is mainly for race and drag purposes, and has additives banned by any other oil producer. It contains solids to reduce friction (like graphite). Its these solids that can come clear and could clog the oil lines and destroy oil pumps. Many tests I've seen so far don't even put royal purple on top. It appears that the performance gains are only under very specific circumstances, and in the following test its even the worst performing. http://www.performanceoilnews.com/oils_against_oils.shtml I'm gonna try BP visco 5000 and Energear SHX-M 75w90 trans, both full synth. Widely available over here, cheap and tested as second best (for what that's worth). | ||
| Bud |
i used red line HD shockproof in my trany, after 6ooo miles my clutch was sticking, the build up off goo in side the clutch spring diaphragm, prevented the clutch from coming free removed the goo, and every thing was fine again. the HD shockproof is specially designed to fix an hold down any wear/metal material from the gears and bearings, what i think is a very good property, side effect it deposits it in the clutch and alternator ( and can cause alternator failure if not cleaned out every now and then ) it's like Whodom sayed btw. the stopped promoting it for the xl/buell trany and recommend the light shockproof now edited by bud on May 26, 2004 edited by bud on May 26, 2004 | ||
| Hootowl |
Yup. The shockproof is GREAT in car diffs. The solids in it tend to collect in the clutch plates and stator windings of our engines though. I have first had experience with that. And like Bud said, Redline no longer recommends the heavy shockproof for Buell/Sportster trannys. I use Mobil 15W50 in the engine these days, simply because it is readily available. I have to order the Redline from Summit. I switched back to HD sportrans for the tranny. I had to change to tranny fluid three times before it stopped coming out pink. | ||
| Ingemar |
I'm flabbergasted. Went to 8 different places today to get oil and NOWHERE do they have want I want. 20W50 isn't even available in synth. It's all 10w40, 5w40 0w30 or half synth or it has stupid additives, or brands I don't want. Besides, the prices here are more than double than those in the states. Getting the cheapest synth is saving me 15 bucks over the red line oil (4qt engine, 1qt tranny). So, I decided to go for the redline. Picking it up tonight. I talked with the man and he says although red line advices against the heavy tranny fluid in the buell, the advantages over the light are obvious. Tranny gets much more quiet and shifts smoother with it than the light. He's been using the heavy in gearboxes all the time and rarely have problems (apart from bud  ). He did over 10.000 kays on his own bike without problems. | ||
| M1combat |
Don't put the heavy stuff in the tranny... The people here know what they're talking about. Ortega - Where do you get your Militec? I used it for a long time as gun oil but ran out and the place I bought it from stopped selling it. Excellent stuff. | ||
| Xb9er |
Can't wait to hear the damage report after you use Redline Shockproof Heavy in your primary/trans Ingemar. And don't say you weren't warned about it. With all the troubles you are having with finding the oils most of us use, I would recommend that you go to your Buell dealer and have them order the HD synthetic and use it both in the engine and primary/trans. Royal Purple is not a good choice for XB's either. If you are going to use it, you may as well use a cheap oil and add "Slick 50" or other "friction fighting" additive!! Mike. | ||
| M1combat |
The main problem with running "different" oils in our bikes is that we have wet clutches with many plates. There's a lot of friction needed between those plates and those plates generate a lot of heat during hard use. They can bake some of the additives. I remember for the longest time it was recommended to NOT use synth oils in a wet clutch because of the sticking issues. The bike would try to move forward with the clutch fully disengaged. Do what you want, but I think that any standard synthetic oil of the proper grade will be your best bet. I just put Castrol Syntec in my engine and Mobil-1 75-90 in my transmission. The fan rarely runs (but I do tend to stay low in the RPM range) and my transmission shifts noticeably better. | ||
| Xb9er |
Ingemar can't get Mobil 1 gear oil where he lives. That's why I recommended going to the dealership. Holy crap!!! I can't believe I recommended the use of a Harley Davidson Lubricating fluid!! The difference in shifting ease and trans noise is dramatic when you switch from SportTrans to full synthetic. I'm sure there is an improvement in cooling as well, but I have no way to measure that. Mike. | ||
| Xb9er |
New oil threads suck balls. The pro's and cons of various oils for the XB engine and primary/trans have been discussed extensively on this board. This thread makes me feel like we are reinventing the wheel, so to speak. Mike. | ||
| M1combat |
agreed... I just don't want to let anyone slip through the cracks  . | ||
| Whodom |
Ingemar, I have no idea what the shipping cost would be, but you can purchase Mobil-1 on-line. I got these two links from Mobil's website: http://www.mscdirect.com/ http://st24.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/nsearch?.autodone=http://www.autobarn.net%2Fnsearc h.html&catalog=rodi&query=mobil I have no experience with either one, but it would be worth checking into if you really want to use Mobil-1. | ||
| Ingemar |
You know what I like about this place? You guys care! Thanx for all the advice. I got myself some redline 20w50 and regular 75w90 gear oil. I was wrong on the big price difference...it's all stinkin' expensive over here! (15 bucks for a qt. average). xb9er/m1combat: that's why I started off by saying I really did not want to start another oil thread! I know how tiresome those can be! I had a very specific question about red line and that was answered. I really have no control over what other people post. Again, thanx everyone for the input! | ||
| M1combat |
"I really have no control over what other people post" , No problem at all bro . | ||
| Ortegakid |
my friends,everyone has there own opinion on oil,thx for the info on shockproof,though.Since I'm sponsored by maxima,that;s what I use,big twin primary,(75-80),syn 4,15-50 in motor,never had any probs, trans works flawlessly.M1,have a friend,he is in gov,will find out where he gets it,just tried it in my mini s,works real good! | ||
| Xb9er |
Ingemar, sorry, I was speaking of oil threads in general. Nothing directed at you at all. I also apologize for the tone of my other comments. No offense, I got too emotional about things in this topic I guess. Like M1combat, I will always contribute my limited knowledge and opinions to help other XB riders out. That's what the BadWeb is all about. Mike. | ||
| Ingemar |
xb9er: No offense was taken at all. My exclamation marks were 'happy' ones, not 'yelling' ones like I got offended by your (or anyone else's) post. I sometimes find it hard to express over the net. It not always carries as I intend. I'm happy you and others contribute the way you do 'cos (to echo what you said) that's what its all about. Emotions show you care. Thanx! | ||
| Xb9er |
Understood. I like your closeup of your XB. Nice color. Good luck with your forum also. Mike. | ||
| Jasonxb12s |
My tranny freakin loves Mobil 1 75/90 synthetic...my bike is running better than ever.. Running mobil 1 syn 20/50 in the swingarm and m1 filter as well.. |
