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Gofastalot99
| Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 01:10 pm: |
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Does anyone have the Erik Buell Racing Li-ion battery that weighs several pounds less than stock? |
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Ezblast
| Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 01:25 pm: |
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http://www.motydesign.com/Battery.html These also have been used successfully. EZ |
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Gofastalot99
| Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 02:48 pm: |
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That link didn't work, but this does: http://www.motydesign.com/index.html I just asked them which battery would be best. The 4-cell seems pretty good and the video shows it being able to crank the engine about 15 times from 3-5 seconds and then being able to start the engine after putting a fuse back in but I don't know what size engine that was. I'm thinking the 8-cell or even the 12-cell for a little safety margin. Even the 12-cell weighs only about 2.1lbs (according to the site), the 8-cell 1.7lbs, and the 4-cell under a pound. |
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Mike1125r
| Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 02:54 pm: |
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I've been running the ebr lightweight battery on my drag race bike. Worth every penny!!! Weight savings 9 lbs and the bike starts every time!!!! |
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Ezblast
| Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 03:13 pm: |
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I know of a few guys running the 8 cell - no problems so far. EZ |
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Ridenusa4l
| Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 04:10 pm: |
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mike1125r- do you think it would be safe to run the ebr battery on the street? would it be up to the task of everyday riding? Jake |
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Littlebutquick
| Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 05:39 pm: |
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i have run the 8 cell this year no problems |
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Gofastalot99
| Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 05:50 pm: |
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for the guys running the 8-cell - is that street and strip or just strip? |
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Littlebutquick
| Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 05:59 pm: |
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just strip but i stop start the bike lots of times and only do small jorneys but seems to do the job i would say ok for street use or go for the 12 cell to be on the safe side or the Erik Buell Racing one |
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Jdugger
| Posted on Thursday, July 15, 2010 - 06:14 pm: |
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8 cell here, I ordered the Carbon Speed racing one. It's been working fine. I'm road racing and doing track days on that particular bike. |
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Gofastalot99
| Posted on Friday, July 16, 2010 - 01:02 am: |
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They recommended the 8-cell. |
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Dcmortalcoil
| Posted on Friday, July 16, 2010 - 02:58 am: |
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Be aware, 8-Cell battery for street is not recommended for V-twin Buell. I tried 8-cell battery before speaking with Josh of SPEEDCELL. Fan drains too much juice for city use (killing engine after short ride). For Buell twins street use, Josh recommends 12 cell. |
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V74
| Posted on Friday, July 16, 2010 - 06:25 am: |
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can these batteries work on my 99 M2 ? |
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Tibman260
| Posted on Friday, July 16, 2010 - 01:32 pm: |
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The Erik Buell Racing battery is superior in design and performance. It incorporates a balancing board for better cell performance/life. |
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Gofastalot99
| Posted on Friday, July 16, 2010 - 03:16 pm: |
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"The Erik Buell Racing battery is superior in design and performance. It incorporates a balancing board for better cell performance/life." Can you explain how the performance is superior? I'm not doubting you, I'd just like to know how the performance can be quantified as superior. |
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Ezblast
| Posted on Friday, July 16, 2010 - 03:20 pm: |
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I'm listening also - please tell. EZ |
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Steve_a
| Posted on Friday, July 16, 2010 - 04:50 pm: |
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The Buell battery results from 3 years of development work on lithium-ion batteries; we had a prototype 14-ounce battery in 2006 that would start the 450 MXer (Griffin) 50 times with no recharge period in between. We discovered, as does everyone else that uses lithium cells, that you have to load balance the cells for long battery life and maximum performance. Go to any RC forum and you'll see extensive discussion of this, as well as ads for cell-balancing-chargers for "dumb" packs. In addition, packs have to be designed to survive in a motorcycle environment with a fair amount of vibration, and the Erik Buell Racing battery was extensively shaker-tested (and redesigned a couple of times) to do that. It's an eight cell design using A123 26650 cells, which have substantially better performance than Chinese clones of the American company's cells. Eight cells gives the lightest weight for a pack that will start a 1190RR, a 1125R, or an XB12 at normal temperatures (say above 40 degrees F). At 32 degrees, you might have to crank the engine 4 or 5 times for 5-10 seconds each to get the cell temperature up. The behavior is very different than a lead acid, where the lithium battery will get stronger with each cranking event as it gets warmer. |
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Littlebutquick
| Posted on Friday, July 16, 2010 - 04:59 pm: |
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on my 8 cell if its cold you think the battery is flat but the more you crank it the better it is .if its a warm day starts easyer just as steve a says above that answers a lot of questions for me thanks |
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Gofastalot99
| Posted on Friday, July 16, 2010 - 05:23 pm: |
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Yes, I've dealt with a lot of Lithium Primary, L-ion and LiPo cells in ultra-high output flashlight applications and they do become more efficient when they are warmer/hotter rather than colder. Depending on the application they will actually provide more wattage until being discharged in high drain applications vs. low-drain. Strange indeed it seems at first but the heat is the factor that causes the increase in efficiency. |
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Skntpig
| Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2010 - 11:52 am: |
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So would the E.B.R battery be ok for street use in FL with a HID light kit? |
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Boogiman1981
| Posted on Saturday, July 17, 2010 - 01:21 pm: |
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so all that explains what the qualities of the ebr cell is but do we know for sure that all of that wasn't hasn't been done for the moty one? according to their FAQ they are balanced cells. the shrink wrap case is cause for concern regarding vibration and such but otherwise there is no mention of cell source from either. also the moty cells seem to be made from fire resistive chemistry as well |