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Michelangelo
Posted on Friday, May 07, 2010 - 06:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just getting ready to fire this bad boy up after working on it for a few months right after I bought it. I've not even had it started. Try and hit starter button with start button "ON" and nothing, no click or anything. I've got full power and lights and horn and the whole 9. I even messed with the clutch switch making sure it was dis-engaging by pulling and holding clutch lever in while trying to start. I've WD40'd the sidestand switch and nothing.

Ideas?
At one point while I was working on this project I did hit the start and it cranked over. So I thought, ok nothing to worry about. Then I get it all buttoned up again and nada.
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Buellistic
Posted on Friday, May 07, 2010 - 06:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Check the CRANKING VOLTAGE "FIRST" !!!
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Bartimus
Posted on Saturday, May 08, 2010 - 12:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

kickstand switch?
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Nallac
Posted on Saturday, May 08, 2010 - 03:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

check your starter solenoid wire is on,(the small one) has the same symptoms as yours.I know...
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Scm2
Posted on Saturday, May 08, 2010 - 09:00 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Its your relay. There are two one that fires and one that keeps it going. Same exact thing happened on mine.
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Michelangelo
Posted on Saturday, May 08, 2010 - 11:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ok so if the relays can be had from an autoparts store for cheap maybe I'll just grab a few and trouble shoot it.

Anyone know if they can be sourced there or have to be special ordered?

And the solenoid wire? What was wrong with yours that it caused the problem: broken, cracked, not tightened?

(Message edited by Michelangelo on May 08, 2010)
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Akbuell
Posted on Saturday, May 08, 2010 - 12:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Might want to check the start switch itself. Stopped for fuel last week, and Nothing Happened when I hit the start switch. After several attempts, it did start. Took the switch assy apart, cleaned and re-assembled, all is good now. Hope this helps, Dave
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Skntpig
Posted on Saturday, May 08, 2010 - 02:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Relays are standard $8 bosh relays. Pull one and match it up. Both are same.
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Nallac
Posted on Saturday, May 08, 2010 - 05:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

on mine, i had bumped it off when checking and cleaning other connections.
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Scs1
Posted on Sunday, May 09, 2010 - 11:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Seems like the relays fail a lot. Electrical troubleshooting can be deceiving. They might check out ok but not be providing enough cranking amps. I learned this the hard way. After months with a crippled starter I bought a relay yesterday....It started.
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Michelangelo
Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 03:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Replaced the relay under the seat and no change in symptoms: I still have full power including lights, horns, turn signals but no noise or anything when I hit start button. I even cleaned start button and clutch and sidestand cut off switches.

Is there more than 1 relay? I could only find one, plus 1 turn signal relay.
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Andymnelson
Posted on Tuesday, May 18, 2010 - 03:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't know what you ride, since you didn't say and your profile says you ride a Triumph...

A 1999 X1 has 2 relays:




The wire that likes to fall off is the one pictured here, to the left of the number "1":


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Michelangelo
Posted on Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - 01:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

thansk for the pic, will double check wires.
It's a 98 S-1W.
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Littlebuggles
Posted on Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - 03:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Try jumping/hot-wiring the starter to rule it out as the culprit. If you've got power you should be able to do that without burning anything up.
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Kalali
Posted on Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - 12:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sorry if this sounds stupid but are you sure the bike is in neutral? I'd physically make sure it rolls.
I had a similar symptom a couple of weeks ago but it was intermittent. The problem went away after I changed both relays and cleaned the solenoid plunger.
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Michelangelo
Posted on Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - 06:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yeah no problem, it can often and usually the stupidest, simplest things. But yeah I double checked rolling it to make sure it was in neutral.

Could there be a neutral sensor switch or something that I've overlooked when I took primary cover off?
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Wednesday, May 19, 2010 - 08:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If the neutral light is coming on, then there is no issue with neutral switch.
My X1 had issues like yours and someone on this board suggested cleaning all of the contacts in the fusebox.
I took out all of the fuses, scraped the corrosion off and added WD40 to all of it.
Fixed it.
I suggest just blindly taking each thing out of the fuse box one at a time, WD40 the contacts and reinstall each thing.
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Cyclonecharlie
Posted on Thursday, May 20, 2010 - 08:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You need to jump the starter to make sure it's not a starter problem, before you spend hours chasing ghosts. If the starter works, then you know you have a contact problem and you can go from there.
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