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     Buckinfubba |
hey i weigh 250.....oh wait i ain't got no carbon.. ez....the drummer won't work with those haeders when he says the system weighs les than 10lbs....he's talkin muffler....the drummer weighs 10.6 or close to that. unless your racing whats the diff....not trying to argue...just askin | ||
| M1combat |
If it's Ti I can sse the whole thing weighing 10#. | ||
| Ezblast |
Bubba - I almost resemble that remark - lol - still - people said I couldn't trim much weight off a Blast - yet its lost over 60lbs - full - and is very light - she's pretty stripped. If I ever went to an XB I'd like the option of doing the same and am just figuring different ways to pare weight - besides the obvious dieting method - lol - so your saying their whole system would be the weight of the Drummer alone - hmmm - CF - If I could bring it down to the weight of my black bike - it would be worth it in performance gains - lol - Formula performance and weight would be ideal - I always thought if the XB was a 100 lbs lighter - it would be unbeatable - realistically - maybe/maybe not - still there will be folks checking that very envelope and so it is in that spirit I asked. GT - JBOTDS! EZ  | ||
| Buckinfubba |
the system in the pic is full ti...but he has already said that the system would have stainless headers. so it will be more weight. now if they sell a full ti system.....what will the price be for that , if the stainless system is $1295..... | ||
| Jrh |
If you go to sites on R1s,GSXRs,etc. there's always a few guys who spend the $12-1800 on a full titanium system and the extras required to make it work.Ti-force ain't no V+H,2 Bros.,SLIP-ON muffler type of manufacturer,they have a reputation of serious performance products.It will be interesting to see the dyno charts but even moreso to see if anyone can build a lightweight full system for a rubber-mounted 45 degree v-twin that won't fall apart immediately.I'd bet it's not likely,and i'm surprised a well known manufacturer would even bother trying.I do agree though that designing something like this for a Buell with it's present engine design is about pointless. | ||
| Shiverdeath |
i feel the need to chime in.... i have the drummer, very satisfied with it, and personally don't like the look of the tiforce, however... this endless ripping on the tiforce system is just a bunch of crap. give it a chance! there are so few makers of aftermarket stuff that we can't afford to discourage others. man, regardless of price and performance, drop the attitude and welcome new stuff. this community in general is too small to give the "you suck for whatever reason" attitude this entire thread has taken. buckinfubba, you might recall me as lothodon, i bought a drummer and a few parts from you and am happy as hell with all of it, but what appears as a personal problem you have with the tiforce is disturbing me. yes the drummer is awesome, especially for it's price, but damn, your not perfect, so let someone else try. you've said earlier, and i quote "and this will be the last thing I say about it and I'll leave it be" yet you continue to chime in. the sacborg thread is even more embarassing than this one in regards to attitude, so at least that's saying something positive about this forum, but i'm still embarrased to be a member and will probably quit again. i only rejoined to welcome daves to appleton and wisconsin. edited by shiverdeath on April 18, 2004 | ||
| Boulderbiker |
Ditto, not sure why this has turned into a lynching mob. Although I agree the price is likely out of my range, I'm definitely happy to see a company that seems to make good products, consider ours, and obviously some thought and testing must have gone into it, just looking at it. As for the comments about getting a different bike if you want more power, keep in mind that all of us with the money we shelled out to get our Buells, obviously COULD have done that, but I for one didn't want another bike. Does that mean I got the wrong one if I want more power out of this one...NO. I for one doubt I'll ever be willing to shell out the money for this system, but others might not bat an eye, and thats their choice, let them make it. For a group that claims to be out of the box thinkers, you seem to have just created a new set of boxes to think in. | ||
| Jrh |
By the way,Orient Express who is importing this system has been in business since at least the 70's that i know of and they built,raced,sponsered many incredibly inovative and successful drag bikes. | ||
| Dyna |
Where's the lynching mob? Bubba obviously has a vested interest in protecting his sales, but all he has asked for is Dyno numbers to back that pipe up. Without those it's just an ugly assed expensive pipe. My own personal opinion..we are allowed that correct???...is the pipe is ugly & expensive. 99% of the people here cant use the power their bike presently produces yet they want more so they can bench race the damn thing. Learn to use what you have before you dump a ton of money into your bike looking for that last little iota of power. Modify this, hack that off, twist this up just a bit & next thing you know your bike is going to be an unreliable hunk of shit because you didnt know when to leave well enough alone. Almost as asinine as the guy who goes out & buys a 160rwhp Kawasaki & decides he needs to throw a pc & a pipe on it...wtf for??? Buncha freakin closet Nickey Hayden wannabes sometimes. | ||
| Shiverdeath |
why did i KNOW dyna was gonna chime in. why is it the people you don't care to hear from are always the most outspoken' on the forums.  99% eh, got some studies to prove that number? don't you own a harley? tell me, is it bone stock? i personally doubt it, so why on earth would you stick any money into customizing it...oh wait, TO MAKE IT YOUR OWN. what the hell do we work for if it's not to enjoy life. if I want to spend $5000 on accessories, who the hell are you to say i'm "wrong" or "stupid" for doing so. "...is the pipe is ugly & expensive." hmm, first off, ugly is an OPINION (like your asshole) and expensive is a relative term is it not? my friend put nitrous on his bagger, not because he plans on racing, but for fun...and isn't that what all this is for, FUN? if someone wants to squeeze every ounce of power out of their buell, let 'em. i know buckinfubba is trying to protect his sales, but this system is hardly in the same class as his and i highly doubt (although i will admit if i'm wrong) that this system will take anything away from drummer sales at it's given price, so maybe he could ease up a bit. on a side note, dyna, you gonna make it up to appleton on may 15th? i'd love to meet you, not because i thing your a great guy (although you might be), but i'm all for a one on one DISCUSSION about our opinions. i love DISCUSSING things with other passionate people. | ||
| Dyna |
Hell yes Im going to be there. Just a hop skip & a jump away. We can continue this discussion then. You gonna bring the boxing gloves or should I? | ||
| Shiverdeath |
gloves, we don't need no stinking gloves. | ||
| Bigdaddy |
B-fubba, We just got to make this deal don't we? We can see Dave get his WI start, hear/see Erik, and there's a looming toughman competition to boot. Sounds like a party to me  Greg | ||
| Jrh |
Dammit Dyna,it's not a 160 horse Kawasaki,Sportrider says 164.2  | ||
| Spooky |
I'm going to step in on this now! Bubba is not trying to protect his sales, he is just trying to get a point across to everyone. I've been there for all the dyno runs pulled on the Drummer and the D&D. The drummer won every time. edited by spooky on April 18, 2004 | ||
| Outrider |
Shiver...I hope I get to Appleton in time for your discussion with Dyna. Why??? Because I love the expression on folks faces as they walk away with a strange smile muttering something to the effect that they really like him in person. One word of advise. If you go riding with him, do not ride to his right rear without ear plugs, your helmet and a bottle of aspirin. Trust me, you will only make this mistake once! The helmet alone just won't prevent the migraine. | ||
| Chainsaw |
Geez shiver, you've got a whooping 8 posts on this board and in your 7th your calling someone out. Thanks for the contribution  | ||
| Shiverdeath |
and what point is that? that we have no room for competition in buell aftermarket parts? that buckinfubba and kevin's drummer is THE only aftermarket pipe that should even exist? if that's his "point" as your reading it, why isn't it a full production pipe available in every buell dealership in the world. would anyone have ever happened upon a drummer had it not been for this forum or other buell forum's like it? damn, i'm agreeing with dyna for a second....buckinfubba IS trying to protect his sales, but i don't think he's doing it in a good way (yes, MY OPINION, can you smell it). wait for the dyno's to see if he's got anything to worry about. if the drummer beats the tiforce like everyone ASS-U-MEs it will, he's got NOTHING to badmouth them about at all, he win's, no competition, no hurt sales. p.s. it's in the water and conditioning of all those years supporting the packers. us wisconsinites are fierce when it comes to sticking up for what we are passionate about. and strongman...HA, i'm a tall skinny runt, hardly a strongman. | ||
| Outrider |
HA, i'm a tall skinny runt, hardly a strongman. Sounds like you and Dyna are evenly matched with both verbal skills and physical attributes. You two will get along great. Honest! | ||
| Chainsaw |
and what point is that? That this isn't SACBORG. I give a rat's ass about what anyone thinks about anyone else's exhaust. I take exception at you threatening violence in your 7th post. Understand? | ||
| Shiverdeath |
well chainsaw, just because i am quietly lurking doesn't mean i haven't been here for a while. if you read the first post i made in this thread you would see that i was lothodon, but for personal reasons left the board and only rejoined to welcome daves to wisconsin. like SO many other forum users, you seem to think post count = quality member and that's just not true...anywhere. outrider, yeah, i've seen pics of dyna, and i think we are about the same qualification of "strongman" in build anyway. and your right, i tend to LIKE people that are outspoken, shows a good quality to me. it's the quiet one's that bother me...if you got something to say...SAY IT, be be DAMN ready to stand behind what you say. | ||
| Shiverdeath |
where the FUCK did i threaten violence. i capitalized DISCUSSION because that's EXACTLY what i intend....i didn't want anybody to think i was really threatening him in any way shape or form. it was dyna that brought up the boxing gloves and i took that as a joke. unless he was serious, my next comment was also a joke...ever see blazing saddles? edited by shiverdeath on April 18, 2004 | ||
| Chainsaw |
I assumed DISCUSSION was code. A nice little would have clarified your intention. Capitalization is yelling. I apologize for the misunderstanding. | ||
| Easyflier |
Everybody go for a ride for Pete's sake.  Geez, the dyno will either prove or disprove it's performance, then it's just a matter of whether you like it and are willing to shell out that big a wad for an exhaust. Hope to see a bunch of ya at the Appleton open house and/or Slimy Crud Run. | ||
| Shiverdeath |
i too apologize for any misunderstandings. i mean dyna no harm, and really would like to meet him. i respect his willingness to say what he feels and his ability to back his beliefs (with words). | ||
| Bud |
How ever would you like to compare a rusty iron can with a good reworked inner design and low price tag to a stainless/Ti complete exhaust system with high poser quality and a equal high price tag ? only power wise ?? I think the compare the two is not really fair I don’t think buckingfubba has to fear for his piece off the pie Now first the dyno please Pk/tq And if it works, and I can resell my new bought 12 header with not that match loss, Maybe I will consider the tiforce Gr,b | ||
| Buckinfubba |
well...alright here we go and yes shiver i remember you. and i have no problem with you or anybody else. but that said you are so fucking wrong on all your assumptions. i am not protecting sales...and dyna is wrong also. it is not competion,it cost to much and we are not at the same price point. kinda like a zx-10 and gsxr1000 are not buells competion. my point is this and we will leave it at that. i will be so fucking blunt so everyone can get this. i am giving the knowledge that i and some have that have tested pipes and a god damn thing or 2 about exhaust design. i don't want people that i care about getting fucking screwed by a bunch of pomp and bullshit. sorry, you know you all want knowledge when it fits your agenda, but when it goes against what you want to hear you think its an attack or bullshit. well fine then....i guess you can get your answers elsewhere. i have never lied to anyone on here about a fucking thing.and i never will. the drummer competion is well know, buell,d and d, jardine and some other slip ons. and we have shown the fucking dyno's and there are still people on this board that think i lie....well fuck it, sounds like you got a personal problem. like i have said before, i want dyno's like everyone else. i don't give a fuck about there past accomplishments on other bikes,mostly inline 4's, and twins have a different character, especially 2 valve twin heads. so there , you want me out you got it...... have a fine day, and better yet, try and understand one thing, the truth is what it is and it can be nothing else. but i will almost guarentee you, this will not put up unbelievable numbers.....so get your checkbooks out,and pay the high priced call girl....that is a hermapherdyte. i am glad about onething..... you showed your ass as much as you think i did | ||
| Shiverdeath |
i don't recall calling you a liar or accusing you of lying anywhere. i never claimed this thing was going to outperform your drummer or any other system, i'm just happy to see ANY company adding to the buell aftermarket, expensive or not. what disturbed me was the slamming this system has gotten without any proof that it sucks, that's all. i'd really like to know how i showed my ass exactly? and i'm more than willing to admit i was wrong, you aren't protecting sales, my mistake, and that appears to be the only assumption i recall making. | ||
| Dyna |
Damn, go for a nice 100 mile ride & come back you guys are still going at it? I didnt take anything Shiver...err Loth..err whomever..said as a threat. Its all in jest & im sure he & I both know it. Brian, I love you like the brother I never wanted, but look at the tone of your posts & it definitely reads like a dog protecting his turf...not that I blame you anyways. And I agree that before anyone proclaims this TI deal as great, lets see some independent dyno tests to back it up. | ||
| Shiverdeath |
holy crap, i'm starting to like dyna...that can't be good.  and on a similar note, before anyone proclaims this TI deal as shit, lets see some independent dyno test to back it up. |
