| Author | Message | ||
     D_adams |
Just curious here, I have a design I'll be working on tonight and I thought I'd ask for some feedback. I don't have any drawings I can share at the moment, but essentially, these would be removable spools. I'm guessing it will take 30 seconds to put them on or take them off. They are NOT designed to be permanently mounted and would most likely end with catastrophic failure if they were left on and vibrated loose. I was thinking more along the lines of easier tire changes for the rear wheel. I'll see about using some standard spools, like what came on the CR or later R models. They would also be a good replacement for someone who's spool mount broke off in a crash. I need to do some load testing once I get a set fabricated, but I'm thinking they'll hold up a 450 lb bike without a lot of difficulty. Could someone let me know if the stock spool bolt is 6 or 8 mm please? I will have about 3/4" of material to play with for the spool bolt, so it's not really an issue, I'd just like to keep it the same as stock. Thanks | ||
| Thefleshrocket |
This sounds like a great idea. I definitely want some spools, but I am a bit hesitant about drilling holes in my swingarm to mount them. If you make some reliable, easy-to-install-and-remove temporary spools, I'll buy a set. | ||
| Metalrabbit |
The T-Rex guys might sell you some. | ||
| D_adams |
Sure, but what's the fun in that?  I'm just trying to make something for the 1125's that don't have spools. I've sold a few that required drilling through the swingarm, but there's a larger market out there besides the 08's. Almost 9000 1125's are out there, more than 3000 of them didn't have any spools from the factory. Sometimes they get broke off on the newer ones, that's another group of riders that now have zero options short of welding the swingarm or replacing it. The way this one is designed won't require the mounting boss. If I can come up with something that works, then it's win/win for everyone. | ||
| 1324 |
Stock spool is a 6mm bolt. | ||
| D_adams |
Is it .75 or 1.0 thread pitch? Thanks for the diameter though. I have two sets almost completed. Need to drill and tap a few holes. | ||
| 1324 |
Crap Dean, I forget. I don't have an 1125 anymore, so I can't say. My honest guess is 1.0 but someone else will have to chime in to confirm. Unfortunately Buell used a small boss and bolt for the sliders. I would have rathered an M8 sized bolt and a proportionally increased boss... | ||
| Avc8130 |
I can check when I get home...if I can remember. They use the "standard" size M6 that all other sliders do (Yamaha) if that helps your google searching. I have your drill spools on my 08. Perfectly happy. The only thing that might have made them better was some black hard anodize. I realize that would have added to the cost. ac | ||
| D_adams |
Well, I had a 6 x 1.0 mm tap handy, I just used that for the prototype. It's done, I just need to mount them on the bike and load test it with about 450 lbs to make sure nothing breaks. If all goes well, I'll post pics of them. If it goes horribly wrong, I'll be buying myself a new swingarm, and possibly more parts caused by the ensuing crash to one side or the other. If all goes well tonight, I'll drop a set off to my production machinist for a better estimate on time & materials. I can't make them as fast as he will, so I only made a couple of sets to make sure I can do it and have it repeatable. I may opt for a larger bolt size (8MM) to reduce costs, I've found a possibly replacement spool in that size already made and it should be a near-limitless supply. Does anyone have suggestions for brands? I've seen the T-rex and Vortex spools. I'm leaning toward the Vortex, simply because I can get them cheap. My prototype spools are just some hand made ones that are very rough, but functional. They will not be the final product, I just needed something quick to test with. Also, I'm thinking to keep costs down, it will only be available in one color, brushed aluminum. | ||
| D_adams |
Missed by about 1/2" in width. Needs a little more spacing to work. The pitbull stand tabs hits the swingarm, so I need to extend each side by about 1/4" or a little more. It's the inward taper on the swingarm that got me this time. I could add washers and space it out some, but I'd rather just remake them. Time for prototype v2. | ||
| Indy_bueller |
I just wish I could mount spools to my '08 in the same place that the '09's have them. | ||
| Thefleshrocket |
I've always used these spools. They're cheap, look decent, and work well. I like that they don't stick out "too far". (I worry slightly about touching down the spools if cornering too hard. In reality, I'm probably not that fast to really be at risk, but who knows. LOL) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Swingarm-Sliders-Sp ools-GSXR-750-CBR-954-600RR-1000RR_W0QQcmdZViewIte mQQhashZitem563996596bQQitemZ370333342059QQptZMoto rcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories | ||
| 99buellx1 |
To me, I would never want to be on the liability end of manufacturing/selling something that is thought to possibly cause something catastrophic. Sounds like a bad idea. | ||
| D_adams |
Yep, which is why they would have a red flag on it with a tag stating "REMOVE BEFORE RIDING!!" since these are for service work only. | ||
| Blackflash |
They are removable as adams stated.So their is no liability  .I'm with adams on this one. | ||
| Blackflash |
I even might be interested in a set if its a good design. | ||
| Sportbikermed |
I was at Harbor Freight Tools today and saw a nice looking set of brushed aluminum spools. Only $5 for the small set and $8 for the longer ones. It is the type you have to drill the swingarm for but they look nice and they're aluminum so surely they would hold up fine. I didn't get any because I have a set of the DHM sliders but I did pick up an aluminum swingarm stand for $50 and a roller-stand for cleaning wheels and such for $30. I thought they were good deals. Am I right? | ||
| Froggy |
Holy crap D_adams and Blackflash on the same side, I need to see if Hell is frozen over yet.  24 degrees and snow showers, sounds pretty frozen to me! | ||
| Ridenusa4l |
hahahaha thats like redscuell and fresno agreeing LMFAO..in all seriousness id be interested too, as my 08' makes it a PITA to do lift it up w/o the specialty pit bull stand... Jake | ||
| Jackgraves |
hell will not freeze if they put me in with those 2 | ||
| D_adams |
I'm not 100% sure I want to pursue this a lot more. Even with an ironclad liability disclaimer, I still would need to create another business shell just for crap like this. Just the thought of losing everything just because someone decides to sue me after they totally screwed up by not following instructions is not a happy one. It's like that stupid biatch that got "burnt" by the hot coffee at mcdonalds. She won millions because of her own f*&king stupidity. I don't have millions available at the moment, it's all tied up in trust funds. Froggy, you're funny. Hell has frozen over, but it wasn't on my side first. I'm a little farther south. Also of note, I saw Red agree with Fresno a little while back on something, I think it was either tuning or exhaust. The temperature has dropped drastically lately. Wtf? (Message edited by d_adams on February 10, 2010) | ||
| Froggy |
D, if you are going to quote that coffee lawsuit, at least know the details http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur78.htm | ||
| Blackflash |
Wow good facts. HEY that coffees is hot.Give the old lady a break.  Enough hijacking | ||
| D_adams |
My bad, I didn't know it all, just heard that the verdict was millions and that was about it. Still, holding a styrofoam cup between your knees full of a hot liquid? Even my kids knew better at the age of 5 or 6. They weren't drinking coffee, it was hot chocolate, but the same principal applies. Just another reason to not drink and drive. | ||
| Thefleshrocket |
Dean, what kind of dollar amount are you thinking about, should you decide to produce these spool mounts? And how easy will they be to remove and reinstall? I have a spare set of 8mm spools now (selling my SV1000S and the guy wants it "back to stock" so they're coming off of it) so if you think the mounts could be done and sold for around $40 (or less, that would be even better) and they wouldn't take more than a couple minutes to install or remove, then count me in on a set. (If you think they will be more time consuming to remove or reinstall, or if they will be a good bit more expensive, I'll probably just choose to rely on my bike lift--which has a wheel clamp--when I need to get the back end up in the air.) I'm not worried about any liability stuff--if the spool mounts are supposed to come off when not in use, you can bet I'll be taking them off! | ||
| D_adams |
I don't know yet, but for just the bracket alone, it took me about 3 hours on a mill just playing around, although I have enough to make about 8 sets right now, maybe 9. I needed to use a little bit bigger piece, they fell short by about 1/2" (needs to stick out more so I'll just make a custom spacer for testing) and I'm thinking about doing a radius to follow the swingarm also. I can do pretty much any size for the spool bolt, even a 10 mm if needed, but it would be way overkill. 6 mm is more than enough for tensile strength. They take about 30 seconds for each side once you know where to put them and have an allen wrench handy. I may use a t-bolt though. I could sell it separate, or as a package with spools to make it easy to get them. I saw the harbor freight spools too, sure they're cheap, but again, where did they come from? Were they made in china or here? Yeah, I've got some stuff around the house from other countries, 2 46" flat panel tv's come to mind first, but I'd much rather put food on the table for someone in this country first. I'll find some made here, or do it myself. I'm not a machinist by trade, but I can certainly get it done. It may not be pretty, but it will damn sure be functional. At this point I don't want to advertise a price until I hear back from my partner on materials costs and what his time will be. I would imagine it could be done for the $40 or so, but don't hold me to that. It's mostly time involved, not the materials. | ||
| Froggy |
Bump | ||
| D_adams |
Anyone interested in these? They MUST BE REMOVED prior to riding. These are strictly for service work only and have been load tested to 330 lbs (the wife weighs 130, bike back end weighed 200) so don't sit on the dang thing while these are on it. I will NOT be responsible for your failure to remove them or if you sit your 300 lb butt on the bike while these are installed and in use. There is only one current drawback to this type of bracket, the bolt that holds it in place WILL scuff the paint. I haven't done any research for something to protect the paint yet. Shim stock might work to protect the paint.   I just got my butt chewed, she said she weighs 115. wink, wink. (Message edited by d_adams on February 27, 2010) | ||
| Thefleshrocket |
Interesting. How do they mount up to the swingarm? Could the paint scuffing be avoided, perhaps by putting a piece of rubber with an adhesive backing on the underside of the swingarm? And, of course, how much are you gonna sell them for? | ||
| D_adams |
It's an ancient American trade secret on how it's mounted. If I told you, I'd hafta kill every one of you.  I haven't had a chance to try out anything yet, but I've had them on the bike since last week and up on the rear stand using them and they haven't broke yet, so I'm calling the stress test part good. If I remember, I'll try to hook up some shim stock this week to a set and see how it does. Current material and time cost for a set breaks down to about $35-40 a set, but hopefully if I do larger runs of them the price will come down a few bucks. This does not include the spools, I'm just going to try sourcing pre-made spools/bolts, maybe from HD, ie; 09 CR spools. I've been told the stock spools are only about $5 a set. I don't have these available on my site yet, so if you want them, PM me for a set. Please keep in mind, I assume ZERO responsibility for your failure to remove them after service work has been performed. They are NOT designed to be left on permanently. | ||
| Stirz007 |
I've checked most of the previous threads, and apologize if I'm missing the magic answer: Please help! I have an '08 R, and found the 'spool' bosses along the centerline of the swingarm a couple of inches forward of the axle. In order to use this location, some milling of the outside face of the swingarm would be needed to allow the base of the spool to mount flush with the face of the swingarm. I realize I'm just re-stating the basic problem - but I must be missing the solution part.... Most of the spools I've seen on BW appear to have a milled face to mount against. I am really leery of trying to mill the swingarm, as the material looks pretty thin - What was the final verdict on how to mount spools on the '08'? I could fabricate a fill-in piece to bridge the angled swingarm to flat spool space, but that will be a PITA - anyone got lost wax casting ability? |
