| Author | Message | ||
     Ratedx1 |
Hey guys, Does anyone have any insight on an aftermarket clutch? I recently lost my tranny and clutch assembly and am going with a baker 6 speed and want to upgrade the clutch as well. But I am hitting a wall on finding one. It is a 2001 x1. Thanks in advance for any help. -Ratedx1 | ||
| Guell |
barnett or energy one | ||
| Blake |
I've never understood the desire to upgrade the clutch. Why? The stock clutch is about as bullet proof as they come, no? I know I've abused mine on the old Cyclone and it is still going strong. | ||
| Dinuns1 |
high hp motor the stock one will slip away | ||
| Mmcustoms |
I Got a barnett scorpion in my m2 works good I had to run a mueller power clutch easy pull works good for mine , but I got cams head work mikuni carb and race ECM exhaust and a 1250 kit also if you need a stock clutch I got one with low miles on it | ||
| Preybird1 |
Mine slipped on the DYNO in 5th +1 on the baker.......Baker + Baker =  | ||
| Blake |
I can see a need for a race bike to use a different clutch, but I've seen 130 RWHP Buells running the stock clutch just fine. My Cyclone is 80 LB*FT strong and 100 RWHP, no clutch problems, but when in a hurry, no clutch is needed for upshifts. Slipping clutch usually due to poor adjustment. | ||
| Blake |
Oops, I meant 90 LB*FT strong. It's a real beast. Clutch no slip. | ||
| Road_thing |
...lost my tranny and clutch assembly... Wow, those are pretty big parts to lose--did you look for them by the side of the road? ...just kidding... rt | ||
| Jeffb |
I have a 140 rwhp Bonneville bike and I use a aftermarket high pressure spring and Alto carbonite plates with Redline ATF. That is the only setup I have gotten to hold at that HP. Other plates and fluid slip. Got the tip from Buell road racing guys on the plates and fluid. The stock basket and inner hub are fine. This set up has also lived through short blasts of 170 HP on nitrous. It is what I would run in a serious street bike I am working on modifying a S&S lock up hat for Victory clutches for use on my 160 project. That should be about 230 rwhp. Plan on running the same Alto plates here too.  | ||
| Rickie_d |
I am with Blake on all points regarding the clutch! I run high 90,s for Ftlbs in 4-5000rpm range at the rear wheel in fourth. All I do is spin the rear or loft the front through a stock hub; and seldom use the clutch from third though fifth. On the trans, the only way I would consider putting a six speed in for street use is if I misplaced my trans and had money burning a hole in my pocket. A stock replacement used or new would still be more economical. (Message edited by Rickie_d on February 24, 2010) | ||
| Ratedx1 |
Thanks for the posts guys. Basically, my bearing separated and I lost most of the oil real quick. The tranny shifted and ate into the shift forks and the rear of the clutch basket where it is riveted was worn away almost straight through. With the stock cetup I always tended to ge false neutrals, and the clutch would slip sometimes. I figured since I was in there I would try to solve the problem. Rickie d- The cost of a new is not that much of a savings over the baker. And I always felt this bike needed an overdrive anyway. Road king- Hahahaha. Blake- Everyone rides a little different. I have never been happy with the stock clutch. I do tend to be a little hard on this bike(I have blown this engine twice already, thank god for the warranty)So I feel that it is a weak link. | ||
| Rickie_d |
“With the stock setup I always tended to get false neutrals, and the clutch would slip sometimes. I figured since I was in there I would try to solve the problem.” Bent shift forks and maladjustments cause these problems; and a stock motor will not over power a stock clutch if adjusted correctly. “The cost of a new is not that much of a savings over the baker. And I always felt this bike needed an overdrive anyway.” For half the price of the baker-6 you can replace gears, shafts, bearings, shift forks. An entire used cassette can be had at a fifth of the price of 6 speed. But then again….If you have to have a 6spd that is great, it is just not because the stock stuff is inadequate… | ||
| Ratedx1 |
"Bent shift forks and maladjustment cause these problems; and a stock motor will not over power a stock clutch if adjusted correctly." Maybe the bent shift forks were a problem. I replaced the first clutch after 5 years and I never said I had a stock motor. "But then again….If you have to have a 6spd that is great, it is just not because the stock stuff is inadequate…" I have to disagree with you on this point, I feel that this bike should have come with a 6th gear. Cruising in 5th around 100 or so is very taxing. I have had this bike for 9 years and that was always my biggest complaint. | ||
| Rickie_d |
I read it as implied by your statement of blowing it up twice and having is repaired under warranty…I figured that you could not possibly have a built up motor if you were blowing up stockers…Sorry! Does it make over 130 HP or the torque of mine? If not, the stock trans is adequate! "Cruising in 5th around 100 or so is very taxing." Do you do that frequently and for sustained periods of time? If so, how does that tax the trans???? That is rhetorical and directed as to where the problem might lay. Perhaps you should get a Busa where you could drive all day long at those speeds and not need a gear above 3rd. In the last thirty seven + years of building these and other bikes I have been hard on everything I owned and never blew anything up, destroyed a trans, or overpowered a maintained stock clutch.. Just saying, this is where I am coming from with my response…address your problems how you see fit, but they are not due to the product inadequacies for what it was designed to do! Good luck in your tenth year of ownership!!!! | ||
| Sloppy |
I have the Baker 5 speed kit and it is AWESOME. It shifts better than my motocross bike. I can HIGHLY recommend their transmissions for a variety of reasons which all together lead to butter smooth and lighting quick shifts. I wish it came from the factory this way. With regards to a 5 or 6 speeds, since the torque comes on at such a low engine speed and the torque spread is so wide, I see no reason to go with a 6 speed unless you specifically want to cruise long distances on the highway at a specific rpm. Typically it's bikes with very high rpm engines with peaky engines that require all those 6+ gears (some had ~ 12 gears back in the day) to keep in the torque band of the engine. I think the stock gearing of ~ 80 mph / 3500 rpm is perfect as it allows the most efficient engine operation with a reasonable highway speed. And if you're consistently going faster than that then you are a very lucky person... 5 spd or 6 spd, up to you. But the Baker is an excellent upgrade. Best upgrade I made to the bike. | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
Energy One Clutches are fantastic and well priced! | ||
| Ratedx1 |
Thanks for the review Sloppy. Being in Florida we have some great highways, and can normally cruise at or near 100( so I always feel lucky  ) | ||
| Ratedx1 |
Update. I am going with the barnett scorpion clutch pack with the a new stock basket. Thanks for the feedback guys. This is why this forum is great. |
