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Budgolf
Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 05:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Would you run an XB or an 1125? And I'm looking at cost effectiveness only. Parts availability, engine re build frequency and the cost to do so. And of course the cost involved in converting a street model to track duty.

Where should I start?
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99buellx1
Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 05:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

XB

Buy one ready to race.
Much more availability, and (depending on series) more competitive in it's classes.
Strictly from my observations.
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Badlionsfan
Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 05:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

XB.
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Paint_shaker
Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 07:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Personally I like the XBs. It's fun to whoop up on more "advanced" bikes with the ole tractor motor!

But if I had access to an 1125, I'd like to run it too!!

Next year I may find an old S1 and race it vintage!
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46champ
Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 07:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Cost shoudn't be your only criteria. The XB is probably a better choice at the present time but it is probably a dead end. I'm not saying there isn't other suppliers but I will wager that 80% of everything from EBR will be for the 1125. I personally see the 1125 as the future I don't think this will be a 1 year only and Erik walks away.
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Smoke
Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 08:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

depends what classes you want to run. i like the 1125r and i think support will continue in the near future.
tim
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Slaughter
Posted on Wednesday, February 03, 2010 - 11:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

With the XB, depending on racing organization you MIGHT be elegible for one or two more classes BUT based on what I'd seen with HIgbee, that 1125R is freaking reliable - AND considering you're largely going to run the same classes (Twins) - you are really going to have a hard time arguing against 40+ more HP and less weight.
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Slaughter
Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 08:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

(oh, and to add, I'm STILL racing the XB, building up my spares - BUT trying desperately to get an 1125R)
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Budgolf
Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 01:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks for the input guys. I plan on racing CCS southeast when I finish this upcoming vacation to Afghanistan. Having owned both, I'm aware of the differences between the two models, but what I'm concerned with is really normal wear and tear you know. I used to drag race, and had to re build my engines two or three times a season (of course, I was shooting NOS to them too). If road racing is just as hard, I would imagine that I could rebuild the Thunderstorm 3 or 4 times for the cost of a Helicon re build. Not to mention the cost of conversion to race only. I'm trying to buy a primary and an alternate bike, and would love to run the 1125, but like everyone else, money is going to be an issue. And the simplicity of the Thunderstorm is attractive as well when I consider working on the thing.
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Socalbuellriders
Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 03:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Slaughter - If you'd like, you can use the 1125R Daytona bike on days we've got it up at the track, since you and I would be in different divisions. We just have to arrange a "you don't sue me, I don't sue you" contract.

I'd just like to see that bike (and any Buell) out there as much as possible.
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Slaughter
Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 08:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey Wolf - you ought to see if Shawn would race it for you in Twins! He's just on the R6 now and if he's able to run your 1125R, you would really REALLY get some serious satisfaction! (and it's not like he'd need tons of time to sort it out)

I am trying to finagle a deal on a used 1125R... the problem is we are putting a new floor in the house and I have an agreement that I won't borrow money to get a new bike so I'm trying to pull strings through Antelope Valley.

Dang but that is tempting to run your 1125R - heck, I'd helped Shawn race it last season. My problem is if I own a bike and wad it up, I'm not under the same obligation as if I borrowed it.

Seriously, ping Shawn. That bike holds the Willow Springs Twins record!
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Slaughter
Posted on Thursday, February 04, 2010 - 08:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nathan,

If you have a 2008 or newer motor, it'll hold up much better with the bigger bottom end bearings.

I put a 2008 flywheel and punched out my XB9 so it's a short-stroke/big bore 1169cc motor. 8200 RPM rev limit.

Ran it all year last season - 36 races and the bottom end is still together. Only had to refresh the top end. Admittedly, I'm not a quarter the racer that somebody like Bilansky or Higbee are on the XB... so my motor is probably just going to last longer.
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Playhard
Posted on Friday, February 05, 2010 - 08:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Depends what class you want to race in. I've raced in them all and settled on Lightweight. The lightweight group seems to use their heads a little more if you know what I mean. With that said, the XB is my new bike for the 2010 season. Hopefully see you in CCS Southeast this year.
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Socalbuellriders
Posted on Sunday, February 07, 2010 - 01:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Slaughter -

You're absolutely right! I know Shawn would like to run more races, and I absolutely will let him know he can run his old bike any time.

You're an evil genius. : )
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Slaughter
Posted on Sunday, February 07, 2010 - 05:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Besides, it'll give Shawn more points in the overall standings! Willow gives points in top 3 finishes - and letting him race your bike almost guarantees a podium every time out - if not an outright win!

(maybe WERA West too?)
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