| Author | Message | ||
     Xl1200r |
Two part question... a) I have PM wheels, so I'd like to put the correct 180-size tire for that rim instead of the stock 170. Will a 180 clear the S3 rear fender? I've heard clearance is tight on these fenders, and I can't really tell on mine since it's trashed. b) if it doesn't fit, will an X1 fender bolt right up without a lot of hassle (like brake line routing)? Thanks. | ||
| Ebutch |
Dunlap,Avon,Bridgestone,Shingko,180/55ZR17 fit as I think all brands as to size above.Re member untill you know better go by the Factory Shop manual an parts book.  | ||
| 80rs427 |
Mark, I have the same exact issue as you. My '02 M2L came to me with a 160/60 rear tire that wore a groove through the left side of the hugger. I have left the 160 on thinking I'd like to wear it out before replacing it.  It does seem funny that a 160 would rub, but a 180 has plenty of room. I'm also curious about fitting an X1 fender. So why would Buell use two different fenders that are so similar? Why route the brake line on the outside of one (M2) and the inside of the other (X1), and what does it take to use an X1 fender on a M2? | ||
| Xl1200r |
You know, I asked this assuming that the 170 tires were more money - they are, but not enough to worry about it. I think I'll just get the correct S3/M2 rear fender and run the 170 tire (less than $15 more than a 180), and the 180 may fit anyways. Is the general consensus that a 180 works better on the wider PM rim? | ||
| Mmmi_grad |
My PM's will not see anything but a 180 tire. I love the new dual compound Michelin tire I ran last year in the back. Its one of their new models, I cant remember name. http://www.michelinmotorcycle.com/index.cfm?event= pilotroad2 | ||
| Xl1200r |
I'm looking to do the Pilot Road 2's. | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
I'm running a 170 on PM wheels right now on my 02 X1 and hate the feel of the tires. The profile is stretched too far on the wide wheel and it causes me to run out of lean angle before a 180 tire would. | ||
| Eboos |
With regard to clearance on the hugger, it depends on the profile of the tire that you are using. I tried to keep the hugger on my bike, but with Diablo Supercorsas, there wasn't much clearance, and I couldn't fit tire warmers with it on. This is with the axle in about the front 1/3 of the axle slot. | ||
| V74 |
i fitted a ART carbon rear fender(we call them huggers)result=plenty of room, | ||
| Scott_in_nh |
I have a factory X1 CF hugger on my S3 with a 180 - plenty of clearance. | ||
| Xl1200r |
Scott - did you have to modify anything to get the X1 hugger to fit your S3? Or was it a bolt-on affair? | ||
| Scott_in_nh |
bolt-on  | ||
| Xl1200r |
Okay, so how the eff do you get the damned fender off? Every single bolt is buried behind something. If I lay across the seat and pull down I can expose the ones on the side, but the one holding the brake line doesn't seem to be threading out - looks like there's some kind of rubber nut on the backside or something? And how do you get the the one that holds the very front of the fender? And the lack of a 'void' on the X1 fender didn't cause an issue with the lower mounting bolt for the oil tank on the S3? | ||
| Jramsey |
>>rubber nut on the back side.... Those are called well-nuts and can sometimes be a pain, their a rubber plug with a Bronze threaded insert in the bottom,when tightened they expand as the insert compresses the plug. If over tightened you my have to hold/wedge them from the back side to get them broke loose. The front bolt can be a bitch. Yes you will either have to compress the rear suspension to gain access. I put mine on the lift then remove the rear bolt for the shock and raise or lower the bike as needed. | ||
| Rickie_d |
80rs427 – a 160 is narrower than the 170 that came on that rim from the factory. If is rubbing on the left is because the fender is not installed correctly or the wheel is spaced to he left further than stock. | ||
| Xl1200r |
a 160 is narrower than the 170 that came on that rim from the factory. If is rubbing on the left is because the fender is not installed correctly or the wheel is spaced to he left further than stock. This is incorrect. Two things happen when a 160 is fitted - a) the sidewall is a taller aspect ratio to make up from the narrower tire b) the narrow tire on the wide rim pulls the tire apart, forcing the sidewalls to stand up straight rather then lean in towards the wheel. Look at the pic at the top - the sidewalls are pretty much straight up and down. On a 170, they would be nearly 45 degrees leaned. This pushes the corners up the tire up into the fender. My S3 has a 160 on it and it was rubbing the S3 fender. I just installed an X1 fender and there's TONS of clearance. JR - I got the fender all set - it was a bigger PITA than it should have been. At least have good clearance all around the tire now. | ||
| Scott_in_nh |
And the lack of a 'void' on the X1 fender didn't cause an issue with the lower mounting bolt for the oil tank on the S3? No clearance issues. The brake line does not go through the supplied opening in the fender, but does not create a problem routed the standard S3 way. | ||
| Rickie_d |
Xl1200r - The flaw is mounted TO WHAT…… Actually your correction is incorrect in the context the tire and rime used; it is ONLY correct if mounted on an appropriate rim (relational) to the factory rim, which is my reference point. If a given object such as an O-ring (emulating a tire) is pulled laterally by its side wall; it reduces outside diameter and increases inside diameter. This changes the O-ring to more of an oval profile. In this case, with this rim and this tire, the rim is essentially wider than the tire, so the tire’s “Aspect ratio” has been reduced. In Conclusion: A) The taller aspect ratio is negated by the wider rim (effectively reducing the tire factory spec) and is not enough to affect left side interference. You are referencing a specification of a tire mounted with in a recommended range rim. This not the case in this situation! B) If the rim width increases for a given tire profile, the effect is lowering the overall diameter/circumference of the tire by increasing the tire width to the sealing bead. A 170 tire which has a minimum of a 6” rim does not rub on this bikes fender when factory installed. A 190 can be mounted to that same PM rim and not rub the center of the fender if factory offset and alignment is not altered & fender used is mounted properly. Problem: I see an aftermarket pulley, that may utilizes an adapter spacer as opposed to bored correctly for that wheel. | ||
| Xl1200r |
If a given object such as an O-ring (emulating a tire) is pulled laterally by its side wall; it reduces outside diameter and increases inside diameter. This changes the O-ring to more of an oval profile. In this case, with this rim and this tire, the rim is essentially wider than the tire, so the tire’s “Aspect ratio” has been reduced. Boss, you're not reading what I'm typing. You're correct - a tire on a too-wide rim has an effect of a shorter overall diameter. But, we're not talking about the overall diameter. When the correct size tire is on the, it has a certain cross-section profile. When a too-narrow tire is put on, the center is pulled in and the edges of the tread are pushed up. Going even wider to a 190 is irrelevant because the geometry of the tire actually curves more and may actually result in a tighter cross-section profile. The aspect ratio refers to the sidewall of the tire only, not the total hight from bead area to top of the tread. An o-ring is a lousy example as it has no internal structure. The inside diameter of a tire cannot get bigger due the the steel cording therein. My bike is all stock save for this stupid-ass 160 tire - stock fender, stock pulley, stock whole nine yards. The tire makes contact with the fender on the corners of the tire - where the tread meets the sidewall. NOT at the center, or tallest point of the tire. | ||
| Rickie_d |
Funny stuff!! Apparently you are bright enough not to ask the question Since you are so bright and I am soooo short sited, why are you asking the question (rhetorical), enough said, good luck with your "problem"!!! | ||
| Xl1200r |
I didn't ask any question. You stated that a 160 was a narrower tire and therefore if it was rubbing the hugger it has be due improper hugger mounting or wheel spacing. All I'm saying is my bike, with a correctly installed and aligned rear wheel and hugger, rubs the fender with a 160, on both sides, meaning it is in fact wider at certain section of the tire. | ||
| Rickie_d |
Ummm, I think this string was initiated by you with a question entitled “Two Part Question” Like I said, “Boss” – you are not receptive to flaws in your perceived reality…Good luck with your problem!! | ||
| Xl1200r |
Indeed I did start it, but I asked nothing of a 160 tire rubbing anything. Flaws in my perceived reality? My fender is worn on both sides. According to your reality, the tire is narrow and wouldn't unless it spaced too far to the right and too far to the left at the same time. Cue the Twilight Zone music. | ||
| Rickie_d |
Wow, Ummm, you may have started this, but it is not all about you; my response was addressed to ---80rs427 –a 160 is narrower than the 170 that came on that rim from the factory. If it is rubbing on the left, it is because the fender is not installed correctly or the wheel is spaced to he left further than stock. XR0000, your thought process defies physics; however I was not concerned with your shortcomings. As I said, good luck with YOUR problem, what ever that maybe! Cue – For you: Roseanne Roseanna Danna – Never mind!!! (Message edited by Rickie_d on December 18, 2009) |
