| Author | Message | ||
     Vosnick52 |
Had 2 trackdays this weekend and I was amazed. With race takeoffs, jardine slip on, and a ••• tune I turned laps 3 seconds slower than my 185hp Ohlins suspended GSXR 1000  The bike was amazinging in every way. I will have a post youtube video soon. 600's couldn't get away and I was realing in 750's. The bike is incredible. | ||
| Chadhargis |
Humm...I wouldn't have figured there would have been that much difference on such a short track. Do you think it might be that you are more familiar with the Gixxer? I know when I first bought my Gixxer 600 and took it to the track, I was turning slower than my Ulysses. Just took my CR to the track and was turning about 4 seconds a lap slower than my 600. It's mostly just a matter of getting used to a new machine. The CR was UNREAL easy to ride. I was a little fearful of cracking the throttle open on the torquey twin like I would on my old 600. Given more time, I'm sure the CR would lay waste to my old 600. | ||
| Vosnick52 |
I was running :58's on the 1000 and was running 1:01's-2's on the CR. I am more comfortable on the CR but it is my street bike with stock suspension. Oh yeah, it was 38 degrees this morning and hit 50 in the afternoon. To run faster I would need: GP shift, quickshifter and a slipper clutch. More wind protection would of been nice in the cold. | ||
| Icontender |
I didn't know people ran track days in cold weather. I would think that with the small track it wouldn't make much difference if you had a 600 or 1000 anyways. Was there any other buells on the track? Did the tech guys try and tell you that your bike was missing a rotor? | ||
| Jaimec |
Shake 'n' Bake! | ||
| Kidder |
I thought the 1125 had a slipper clutch. | ||
| Xnoahx |
It has a pseudo-slipper clutch. It is vacuum operated so if you are slightly on the throttle you wont get much out of it. A true ramp type clutch does perform better but for us street riders, the vac unit works great | ||
| Vosnick52 |
Barker had his 9 out their but that was it. I am a race instructor for Ed Bargy and I tech machines as well. The only bad thing was I had to take off the D&D once I put a very small scrape on it. The Jardine didn't scrape at full lean. It really didn't feel like any kind of slipper was working. | ||
| Jdugger |
> It really didn't feel like any kind of slipper was working. That's because it's *doesn't* work. *IF* you are at very high RPMs, *AND* you completely chop the throttle and downshift, *AND* you are a heavy rider completely upright, you *MIGHT* get the vacuum slipper to actuate a bit. It's a situation no decent rider would put themselves in to begin with! Can you imagine deliberately *chopping* the throttle completely just to get enough vacuum to maybe have a "slipper" save you? Geez. Take an ordinary 160-180lb + gear rider, go hot into a tight corner hard on the trail braking and drop a gear, there's a 100% chance you are going to break it loose just as if you had jammed down on the rear brake. It's useless, IMHO. And, there's a VERY REAL reason why Buell sells a proper adjustable mechanical slipper clutch in the race catalog. | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
The only time I ever got the slipper to actuate was when I accidentally killed the motor with the switch, and then tried to bump start the bike, rolling about 30-40 mph. Just heard a little, fast whirring noise. R | ||
| Jng1226 |
Sounds about right and consistent with my recent experience in terms of lap times. Never been to Talledega GP, but last Monday I went to Jennings GP and on the 2 mile track I was 3-4 seconds slower on the 1125R than my regular track bike, an MV Agusta F4 1000R, which also has about 40 HP more at the wheel than my 1125R with K&N filter and FMF Apex slip-on and Michelin Power Race tires (Medium front/rear). The motor was great, with very controllable linear power. I went with the suspension settings in the manual as a baseline and only added a half-turn here and there on both ends of the bike. The damping didn't feel as sophisticated as the Marzocchi RAC forks and Sachs shock on the MV, but I think that is to be expected. Also, braking from an indicated 143 MPH for turn 3 (163 at the same point on the MV) there was a consistent shimmy in the steering that was a bit unnerving. I tried various techniques to quell it but was not very successful. Hopefully when Erik Buell Racing gets up and running I'll get the Showa suspension upgrades and Ohlins steering damper and see major improvements. The big letdown for me was the stock ZTL2 brake. We were running 30 minute sessions and for the first half of the session the ZTL2 was great with 2-finger power and good feel, braking all the way to the apex with my knee down. However, after about 10 laps the lever started coming back towards the handgrip and pulsing a little bit. This was with the stock pads and brake fluid, so maybe changing to EBC Extreme Pro pads and Motul 600 Brake fluid it might make a difference. The inside of the rotor also became blued in spots so perhaps an upgrade to the 1mm-thicker race rotor would also cure that. All that said, the 1125R exactly as it comes off the showroom floor is one of the BEST streetbikes I've ever owned and is just about perfect for aggressive street riding. It is THE BEST bike for getting your knee down on the street confidently and if I were to only ride it on the street I wouldn't spend money on anything except good tires. Jeff | ||
| Jng1226 |
Forgot to comment on the slipper clutch. I also had a 2001 Aprilia Mille R, which has a very similar drivetrain to the 1125R. That bike would back into turn 1 consistently at VIR when pushed hard. The 1125R feels very similar, in that it doesn't really have much slipper action, but enough that you can be close with your rev-matching and still get it right. Jeff | ||
| Chadhargis |
Vosnick52, that makes sense. I forgot it was cold. The 1125 clutch works great for me, but I guess that's because I'm on a CR and I'm not the "normal" 180lb rider (go about 240lbs with gear). The clutch works LOADS better than the standard unit on my old 600. I'd love to have a slipper clutch, but given my current skill level, I should probably work on my braking and shifting a lot more before getting that serious. Heck, at Jennings in the early sessions, I rode the whole track in 3rd gear. Never had to shift. I love torque! By the end of the day, I was touching 5th gear on the faster parts of the track, but ended up just holding 4th near redline as my sloppy shifting cost me time even though my speeds were higher. I wasn't running my warmers that day either, and my rear Pilot Race was showing some cold tearing because of it. I wasn't coming on the throttle real hard. Maybe only feeding about half throttle until I got the bike stood up. It's a whole different beast than I'm used to, and I purposely didn't run warmers after the first session to insure I kept my wits about me. Didn't want to bin my new CR. I'm a lot more familiar with Nashville Superspeedway and Barber than Jennings, so when I get my CR there I think I'll have a better idea of what I can do on it. Are you going to be teaching with Ed Bargy next year. I've taken the course, and I'm considering doing a refresher. | ||
| Vosnick52 |
Yes, I will be teaching with Ed next year and if you ever come to his trackdays I can help. Blipping the throttle to match the revs did help but I NEEDED more slip to feel comfortable. | ||
| Sknight |
Real question is......... Were you faster than Todd C?  He's a buddy of mine, he said he was instructing this weekend. | ||
| Vosnick52 |
Ask him what times he was running I really didn't see Todd on the track but I know he was out there. | ||
| Sknight |
Last I talked to him he was running 1:00-:59s. I like harassing him about being slow since I could slash his tires and still lose by a lap. I'm so slow I don't even try to talk fast. Next time you see him ask about the time I binned my Busa two miles from his house. | ||
| Wera44 |
I know when we are at the last WERA race there in August Todd was doing 1:01's | ||
| Chadhargis |
I learned a long time ago that the first accessory I needed to acquire to go fast was testicular fortitude. I simply don't have the balls to go fast on the track. Thoughts of orphaning my kid and leaving my wife a widow, not to mention tearing up my bike, keep me from shaving seconds off my lap times. At 6'5", 230lbs....I'm no racer, so why try. I just go out and have fun. I get passed, and I pass a few. But I always have a smile on my face. | ||
| Vosnick52 |
I am pretty sure there wasn't anyone running under a minute flat. | ||
| Jdugger |
> I learned a long time ago that the first accessory I needed to acquire to go fast was testicular fortitude. I dunno man. One of the things I like about the track is you are actually *riding* slow. Moving very fast, yes, but the speed at which you take actions is predetermined, well thought out, and relatively consistent. Keep up the track days. Always ride at 80% or less. Pick on corner at a time and find the set of actions that let you get through it consistently fast. Work around the track. The speed will be there, and you will be riding "slower" than you ever have before. | ||
| Vosnick52 |
I am currently trying to upload the video on youtube. It's taking forever. | ||
| Wera44 |
"I am pretty sure there wasn't anyone running under a minute flat." I saw James crack off some 59's on that 600. |
