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Djwyck
Posted on Monday, August 31, 2009 - 03:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I can't figure out why my 05 xb12r is getting such a big hiccup when I hit the throttle from idle.

Buell Race Pipe
Open Air Box
Breather Re-Route
Custom Tuned ECM

I logged 10 different rides, putting on about 200 miles and tuned it with Megalog each time until I was just about perfect. What am I missing? Every time I am at idle and crank on the throttle it just sucks air, I have to have it a little above idle in order to lay on the throttle.
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Iamarchangel
Posted on Monday, August 31, 2009 - 03:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Why would you even do that?

It's not a 125cc dirt bike. A bog when you do that is perfectly natural. And then you do a bunch of clutch work and away you go or, as you concluded, you have to have it a little above idle in order to lay on the throttle.

Blame Newton.
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 02:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

+10!
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Bo_sox
Posted on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 12:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

+2 - leave the throttle alone when at idle!
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Djwyck
Posted on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 05:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No matter how you put it it was not doing that before I did the mods, and it is now, so something is different. I am just trying to put my finger on it. My buddy has the same bike with a filter and a pipe and it does not have that problem, you hit the throttle and it just goes, so something is up.
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Johnnymceldoo
Posted on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 07:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

intake leak?
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Union_man
Posted on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 07:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How many miles on the bike?

My guess is the plugs are due for a change and a TPS reset wouldn't hurt either!

My bike stumbled when starting from idle and would even surge sometimes at 2800-3000 rpm driving at a steady throttle.

I changed from original (stock) plugs to NGK Iridium plugs. I chose the Iridium’s after they got good reviews from this board. They were installed at the 10,000 mile service. (a TPS reset is also done at this service)

Drivability was greatly improved. I could not believe the difference the new plugs made! No more surge or stumble.

Plugs...$22 for both.
TPS reset...free.
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Union_man
Posted on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 08:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

BTW....I also logged many hours prior to changing plugs and all looked good.

After the new plugs and reset I logged again. Everything looked good then too but it was different with new plugs.
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Djwyck
Posted on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 09:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

4000 miles with original plugs. TPS reset has been done a few times just to be sure.
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Metalstorm
Posted on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 10:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Maybe the open airbox is too much of an air supply?

Since you say it was perfect before the mods I am lead to believe that perhaps one of those mods is the culprit.

Perhaps you can put the stock inner box back on, go for a putt to let the ecm relearn and see if that makes a difference before tearing things apart.

You never never know. Maybe the race pipe doesn't pair too good with it.
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Juniorkirk
Posted on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 11:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

maybe its the custom tuned ECM that is giving you problems. If it's tuned for performance, then you might get the studder off the line at low RPM cause you for best performance you have to have some revs. Just my .02, but i could always be wrong. I like being proven wrong though, helps me learn.
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Djwyck
Posted on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 04:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I went back to the original race maps now to start from scratch. I will put in new plugs tonight to see if that helps. It has to be something because using the race maps, race pipe, and race filter should be simple, it is suppose to be plug and play so I must be missing something. So irritating...

Gap on the plugs should be .04 right?
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Hogs
Posted on Wednesday, September 02, 2009 - 05:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

38 to 40 thousands
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Buell_41
Posted on Tuesday, September 08, 2009 - 08:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

if you're talking about "blipping" the throttle at idle, the stroke and weight of the flywheel are too heavy to act like the jap bikes. same reason our bikes don't drop rpms between gears like jap bikes. The 12's are especially affected by this due to the larger displacement. 9's are better but still nothing like a GSXR1000. I doubt mods or maps of any kind will make this go away completely. Sounds normal to me.
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