| Author | Message | ||
     Andros |
Is there such a thing we can download for our 1125's? like a PDF or something? (Message edited by andros on August 19, 2009) | ||
| Court |
There is not. | ||
| Slojon |
Parts Catalog- part #99572-08Y Service Manual- part #99491-08Y There is also an Electrics Manual which I do not have number for, as is at home....above are for 2008 model year. I had these BEFORE I picked up my machine. Not that I will be replacing rod bearings soon, but is very nice to reference. Beats looking at a screen.... | ||
| Zac4mac |
Electrical Diagnostic Manual for 2008 1125R is 99949-08y. Same price as Service Manual. | ||
| 4cammer |
Bought the service and parts manuals for my XB9R after getting the bike and are worth every penny. Saved me more $$ than they cost by a large margin. Also, having the parts catalog saves you from hearing at the HD emporium..."Uh, I can't find the part number". | ||
| Zac4mac |
I work the Parts counter at my dealership and I can't tell you how much I appreciate a customer already knowing the p/n they need. Saves me a lot of time that is in short supply in the Summer. The best part of the Parts book tho is the exploded diagrams, showing assembly order and part orientation. If you know what you're doing, the Parts book is more useful than the Shop Manual, IMO. Z | ||
| Andros |
how about parts catalog and service manual for an 09 cr_ | ||
| Zac4mac |
Typically for manuals, the first 5 digits stay the same, the last 2 show the year. 09 set should be - 99572-09Y - parts 99491-09Y Service 99949-09Y Electrical R and CR are in the same books, 1125 platform. Z | ||
| Andros |
awesome! just ordered the parts and the service manual. | ||
| Blake |
What would be very nice is if the latter year manuals indicated what was new and/or revised from the previous years. | ||
| Slaughter |
Blake, In my experience you really don't need the current part numbers. I've found that when I go in with my shopping list (2003 XB9) - often some parts are superseded and that just shows right on the parts guy's computer. I don't need to know the new number - it is automatic when the parts dude looks up the "old" number. It doesn't force them to do a lot of running around. My parts book for my 03 hasn't been a problem at all. (Message edited by slaughter on August 22, 2009) | ||
| Avc8130 |
I plan on using my 2008 parts book to order parts I need. If I run into a superseded part number I will mark it in the book so I have it for the next time. Granted this could all be alleviated by putting the microfiche online, but this is how Harley likes it. Makes sure you can go into the dealer to ORDER the part and pick up a HARLEY coffee mug rather than just ORDER the part over the web. ac | ||
| Court |
What would be REALLY nice is if Buell would make available on line the CURRENT AND UPDATED .pdf of each BUELL FACTORY SERVICE MANUAL with updates, corrections, superseded parts highlighted in color with the date of the last change. This information exists. I have gone to 3700 Juneau and had meeting with the "powers that be" about doing this. It scares them to death. If you can explain to me why, I'd love hearing. Harley-Davidson has long held, and not entirely without cause, a deep seated fear and distrust of their customer. I appreciate the commercial aspects of the undertaking but also can clearly see all the means to overcome them in a reasonable, responsible and commercially viable manner. I, by the way, would NOT do this free. If I were in charge (and you can see now why I am not) it'd be a subscription service. You'd be required to BUY the paper manual then you COULD enter a serial number from your paper manual, pay your $25 annual fee and access a complete library on an annual basis. I'd even go further and post a NEWS section to convey "tips, trick and tools of the trade" on the opening page. My written set of ideas, in the form of a proposal was looked at, laughed at and rejected long ago. My primary concern is that I spend LOTS (on the order of 12 hours a week) of time and money trying to help Buell owners. To that end, I have over $2,000 of Buell Technical Manuals sitting here on a shelf next to my desk (every Buell manual since 1987) and I am painfully well aware that each and every one of them is in large part worthless . . . they were accurate the day they were published. But . . that's just my personal opinion as a construction worker. If I were involved there would be some MAJOR changes. I'm, and it's no secret, am not at all satisfied with Buell being "as good as" or "good enough" .. that very thinking is, to me, in conflict with everything that Buell is. Court | ||
| Reepicheep |
If they put it out on PDF, it'll be on ebay for $10 in less then a week. Of course, somebody sufficiently motivated could buy one, and cut it up, scan it, and put it in a PDF and sell it on ebay for $10 in less then a week. Interestingly, the same thing that keeps HD from putting it out in electronic format (pirates buying and reselling) is the same thing keeping pirates from scanning and reselling... other pirates buying and reselling. An interesting modern irony... Kawasaki sells the service manual, and has online parts manuals. Seems fair to me, and it makes my Kawasaki dealer look incredibly smart relative to some local Buell dealers, because I go in there with the latest, greatest, and right part numbers already printed out on a pick list. Makes it a lot harder to make a mistake. | ||
| Court |
Great opportunity exists. I'm relentless. | ||
| Two_buells |
what the H-D MoCo should do is give the owner a PDF copy, on a CD, of all the manuals with the purchase of a new bike. The Harley copywrite police in Mich, can handle the bootleg sales on eBay. | ||
| Court |
>>>The Harley copyright police in Mich, can handle the bootleg sales on eBay. Kinda yes. . . . kinda no. I turned them on to one of the most egregious of Buell violators a while back. I'd given them the "heads up" over a year ago and the guy continues to make a mockery of their intellectual property. I looked at his website this week, on a tip from a friend, expecting to see it gone . . . what do I find? . . sure enough . . . . they are now offering pirated manuals for download. Some of it is attributable to lax enforcement by the folks at Harley-Davidson. They are very aware of this, have been for a year, and they've frankly been made fools of. Another part of the blame lies on owners who knowingly purchase pirated stuff. I steer my own course, my own values boat and have long since stopped passing judgement. But . . . and I have a legal staff of 49 Attorneys . . . I'd be asking some poignant questions. Harley-Davidson has lots of house cleaning and realigning to do if they are to move with their market. My stock, bought in 1983, is long since cashed in, save 100 shares, but it'll be interesting to see how they do. I'm writing a paper for the M.I.T. Sloan Business School regarding the opportunities for American Manufacturing. I'd suggest that the pure cost of labor, in terms of hourly wages, is far less a threat than core competency, knowing what you do, focusing and doing it well. But then . . . that's why I'm a construction worker. Damnit . . . I sound opinionated don't I? | ||
| Two_buells |
>>>>I'd suggest that the pure cost of labor, in terms of hourly wages, is far less a threat than core competency, knowing what you do, focusing and doing it well. True Statement (I wish H-D workers made as much as the autoworkers...) I also hate being compaired to the auto industry (Message edited by Two_Buells on August 22, 2009) | ||
| Court |
>>>I also hate being compaired to the auto industry You are absolutely right. As different as night and day. Harley-Davidson has a bright future ahead . . . **IF**. . . Keith aligns himself with the right people, clears out the folks impeding progress and focuses. I no longer have a dog in the fight but think I have a pretty workable vision of what would work. So do others. It'll matter which voices emerge and how quickly they can adapt. American manufacturing COULD experience a new revolution . . . but it'll require a new thinking. | ||
| Duchunter |
If you think $60 is a lot to pay for the Buell service manual then you probably wouldn't pay $150 for a BMW service manual either. Shortly after I bought my "official" paper copy, BMW made the mistake of offering PDF versions of all of the MC service manuals. Within a few weeks the internet riders had so extensively bootlegged them that you could buy the entire service manual library for all of the BMW bikes as a two CD set for a $5 burning fee. The BMW riders even distributed a pirated copy of the OEM parts counter application. HD already publishes all of their bike documents internally as PDFs. They're smart not to turn the PDF copies of the documents loose. Doing that would completely kill the market for the $60 paper manuals, and P&A is a significant source of revenue for HD. Personally, I think that the $60 Buell service manual is a screaming good deal. I've even seen them on ebay for $48. That price is so cheap that I can't imagine why anyone that needs a manual wouldn't just buy one. (Message edited by duchunter on November 22, 2009) | ||
| Avc8130 |
HD is just lucky that Buell riders are inherently lazy. You can get just about any Yamaha manual because some guy ripped one up and scanned it. ac | ||
| Court |
I have long been ad advocate of . . . selling the paper manual with a "membership" to get online updates. You enter a code, just like you do to register software, and you gain access to updated versions of the manual. They exist. It's simple. And . . . frankly . . . I have over $3,000 worth of Buell manuals. I'd like to be able to make certain the part number is up to date . . . or that the procedure for tightening the oil drain plug is current. It could also be something where you'd get a quarterly update that lists the changes . . . I used to get these weekly to my Jeppsen Instrument Flight Charts . . . you'd get updated pages and a check off sheet to make certain your book was current. | ||
| Avc8130 |
Court, You are right on point. This type of information is commonly available for some cars, with exactly the type of arrangement you described. Did you actually BUY $3k worth of Buell manuals? That is a lot of manuals! ac | ||
| Court |
No. I likely bought, at retail, about half of them. I have every Buell manual since 1987. It's a handy repository to have a full collection in one place. Traditionally I've just purchased them. Some I had in connection with my work during the two years I spent at Buell. More recently Harley-Davidson has graciously provided them. It allows me a degree of efficiency when I work with them on customer service cases and I also read and advise them of errors I find. Ducati used to send me stuff as well but all I have left are a couple autographed Ducati history books and the manuals for the MH900e. Interesting comparisons. I also keep manuals for KLR's, Honda CL77's (305 Scrambler) and the NT650 (Honda Hawk) and a complete set of WestLaw NY Construction Statute updates and the M.I.T. Business Review . . I run about $5k a year on various books and subscriptions . . but, in all fairness, a lot of the books I buy are in the $175-$300 range so it skews the budget number. I'm about a sicko bastard. . . .   |
