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Froggy
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 07:43 pm: | 
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Pace is all relative, a few months ago I was riding with a new guy, doing a mellow but still decent pace, the new guy didn't make it through the second half of a "S" turn. |
Metalstorm
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 07:58 pm: |
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I always stand up in the corners
Because...
Sitting is not a sport!
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Boney95
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 09:10 pm: |
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Thanks Steve!
Gotta love smart ass comments  |
Borrowedbike
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 25, 2009 - 10:37 pm: |
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Boney,
In twist II, Code suggests that this is more caused by holding on too tight than anything else. Braking errors (Including braking in a turn or while leaned over) and tightening up on the bars are tow of the most common SR's. In the case of holding on too tight, the "closer" or inside bar is "easier" to hold onto and we end up countersteering to the outside of the turn.
Takes a lot of seat time, and some track time in a lot of cases to really learn to trust the machine, it can do MUCH more than most of let it, if we only allow it to.
SM hit it on the head, set up for the turn early so you don't need to touch the brakes in turn. I'd add to that and say if you end up too fast stay loose, keep light throttle on, and drop the inside shoulder / point the elbow at the ground. Just let the machine do it's job. Read Code and remember:
A lowside is ALLWAYS better than a highside. |
Hexangler
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 01:07 am: |
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...or a head on. |
Blake
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 03:32 am: |
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Great topic! I wish I didn't need sleep. |
No_rice
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 12:09 pm: |
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Not to mention, all these corners are blind.
that makes them that much more fun. keeps you on the edge of your seat that way(which is exactly where you should be in a hard turn)
We normally run around a 50-60% pace to keep things safe. And leave the fast stuff for track days.
and you quickly learn not run at the back of the pack with me, cause there is a reason im back there..... |
Caperken
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 06:26 pm: |
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Borrowedbike's answer is excellent in all respects. I wish I could always do what Code says to do. However, when I keep pushing for more speed in really tight corners I sometimes go in too fast and sometimes fall for the SR of grabbing too much brake. I recently changed from Diablo's to Michelin PR2 on the rear and PP2 on the front. My bike (XB12Ss) now has much less tendency to stand up if I brake too hard in a tight turn. I think I saw someone else mention this a short time ago. More practice, more practice, more practice! And keep reading Code's Twist II. |
Ft_bstrd
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 06:29 pm: |
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"standing up" in corners must be a "little guy" problem. I dare a motorcycle to stand up with me hanging off of it.
Ain't gonna happen. |
Jraice
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 07:25 pm: |
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Its normal for a bike to stand up in the turns when on the front brake. Solution, roll of throttle a bit and use rear brake or use the front carefully. Idealy though you should man up and just take the corner "hot", thats usually the safest thing to do if your unable to safely break.
I dont normally have trouble going in hot with the brakes, I dont need to use them enough to really upset the bike much but on the real slow corners (10mph or less) I have found myself coming in on the brakes, starting leaning on the brakes, especially for downhill turns, and then obviously the bike is fighting to lean but your instincts say dont let off the brakes if your bikes not leaning so I keep it held, and as soon as I let go I can tighten the turn WAY up.
Only a problem on semi steep downhill 1st gear hairpins (u-turns basically). |
Delta_one
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 26, 2009 - 10:18 pm: |
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+1 to Jraice whether its power or brake I fell more stable with some sort of tension on the back tire (sometimes I chicken out and its both till apex) but my favorite is to slip the clutch and engine brake. I also find that the bit of stand up and stability given from doing that let me corner faster and keep the pegs and my toes off the tarmac 
but I have never had a track day or been in a race (other than in the dirt) so take my advice with a grain...
(Message edited by delta_one on August 26, 2009) |
Roysbuell
| | Posted on Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 10:50 am: |
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What causes a bike to stand up in a corner? "well the cause is usually the riders input, most likely the front brakes...to prevent it, you need to get your braking done before the apex, to control it gently roll OFF of the brakes, but what most people don't know, gently applying the rear brakes in a turn will settle the bike AND actually cause it to tighten up the line, so...the infamous rear brake actually turned out to be WAY more important than we ever knew...thanks for trusting my judgement...talk to you later
B" |
Nextcorner
| | Posted on Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 11:17 am: |
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+1 on using rear brake to assist your turn. Just a touch though. Don't need much of the rear. |
Reepicheep
| | Posted on Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 01:35 pm: |
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XB's do stand up in corners, but I don't see why people seem to think that is a bad thing.
On my XB, when I want to turn, I push. Push to turn. When I want to keep turning, I keep pushing. When I want to stand the bike up, I push less, and up it pops. On a few rare occasions, I have "stopped pushing" enough that it approached pulling when I was at speed, and that little bike whipped up so quick it felt like the start of a high side... but wasn't, up it popped, gave a couple wobbles, and it was ready to get back down to business.
Which is exactly the way I want it. My fingers can always be covering the controls (pushing, not pulling) and the bike has a built in "recover at maximum yaw rate" feature baked in. Maybe I am pulling more then I realize, but it doesn't feel that way.
I rode a buddies v-strom, and the stupid thing was driving me crazy. You put it into a turn at X angle and it would just sit at that turn rate with no push on the bars. You had to force it to stand back up. It felt a lot less natural, a lot less stable, and a lot less athletic to me.
If I was endurance racing at 10/10ths on a track, then no doubt "standing up" would be bad. But I wasn't at all tired of it after two full novice track days (my pucker muscles were tired, not my arms). And on the street, I like the "weebles wobble but they don't fall down" aspect of it.
Of course standing up on braking is kind of a different issue, but if I am braking in a turn I assume I have already blown it anyway. Otherwise, I wouldn't be braking. So I have a mess to correct regardless, no matter if the bike is standing up, falling over, or sliding sideways...
(Message edited by reepicheep on August 27, 2009) |
Brumbear
| | Posted on Thursday, August 27, 2009 - 01:46 pm: |
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I am gonna pass on the rear brake thing as I can't seem to trust my deft touch on rear and just balls it over if I can |
Steve_mackay
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 09:43 am: |
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and you quickly learn not run at the back of the pack with me, cause there is a reason im back there.....
Umm, so I can look in my mirror and see the bottom of your exhaust? |
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