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     Ferris_von_bueller |
Posted by Henry Payne (The Detroit News) on Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:17 AM Sen. Debbie Stabenow, Energy Leader (National Review, 08.10.09) Detroit, Mich. - Michigan just experienced its coldest July on record; global temperatures haven't risen in more than a decade; Great Lakes water levels have resumed their 30-year cyclical rise (contrary to a decade of media scare stories that they were drying up due to global warming), and polls show that climate change doesn't even make a list of Michigan voters' top-ten concerns. Yet in an interview with the Detroit News Monday, Senator Debbie Stabenow (D., Mich.) - recently appointed to the Senate Energy Committee - made clear that fighting the climate crisis is her top priority. "Climate change is very real," she confessed as she embraced cap and trade's massive tax increase on Michigan industry - at the same time claiming, against all the evidence, that it would not lead to an increase in manufacturing costs or energy prices. "Global warming creates volatility. I feel it when I'm flying. The storms are more volatile. We are paying the price in more hurricanes and tornadoes." And there are sea monsters in Lake Michigan. I can feel them when I'm boating. | ||
| S1wmike |
And there are sea monsters in Lake Michigan. I can feel them when I'm boating. That's only for the Winter they migrate back North into Superior for the Summer | ||
| Spiderman |
I have yet to harvest one tomato from my garden that is how temperate it has been here. On top of that I can count on my hands how many days I have had had the AC on... Unlike the internet Global Warming was invented by Al Gore...  | ||
| Just_ziptab |
Somebody should rub some kerosene on Debbie Stabenow's butt hole and turn her loose....then she'd have a reason to be concerned about "warming"......../ (Message edited by just_ziptab on August 12, 2009) | ||
| Odie |
Dang Manbearpig strikes again... | ||
| Corporatemonkey |
I usually do not try to feed the trolls, but... I have been following an expedition through the North West Passage. It is headed by a documentary film maker Sprague Theobald, they are traveling in a 57ft Nordhavn. Now for those not in the know a Nordhavn is a bluewater capable fiberglass yacht. They retail in the low 7 figures. What is interesting is the Northwest passage has usually been frozen solid year round. For the last few decades the ice has been getting thinner, and thinner. This year it is thin enough to allow a FIBERGLASS yacht to transit it. Check out their website, and read some of their findings. http://northwestpassagefilm.com/index.php | ||
| Limitedx1 |
and these people represent us.........  | ||
| Not_purple_s2 |
ManBearPig is real I tell you! It's REAL! | ||
| Blake |
"What is interesting is the Northwest passage has usually been frozen solid year round." That is inaccurate. | ||
| Xl1200r |
This is my new, default response to any "global warming" or "Climate Change" hysteria:  Please pay EXTRA close attention to the average temp and CO2 level lines. | ||
| P_squared |
Xl1200r, you forgot the GLOBAL sea ice trending graph.  http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.withtrend.jpg Info courtesy of Sifo from another thread. Sorry if I'm contributing facts to a discussion of religion.  | ||
| Hexangler |
Ocean acidification is one of the side effects of the rising concentration of carbon dioxide in Earth's atmosphere due to the burning of fossil fuels. The oceans can absorb enormous amounts of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, but as the gas dissolves it makes the water more acidic. Increasing acidity can make life difficult for corals and other marine organisms that build shells and skeletons out of calcium carbonate. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/08121 7190334.htm | ||
| Hexangler |
Ocean acidification is the name given to the ongoing decrease in the pH of the Earth's oceans, caused by their uptake of anthropogenic carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.[1] Between 1751 and 1994 surface ocean pH is estimated to have decreased from approximately 8.179 to 8.104 (a change of -0.075). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification I know when this happens in my reef tank, I've got big problems... | ||
| Reepicheep |
Thanks for those charts... I knew it! That Bas&^% Bush was driving up global temperatures 500 million years ago... obviously just to make the rain forests thrive so that Haliburton could pump more oil 500 million years later. Those bas&^$ds! | ||
| Greenlantern |
da, da daddle daddle daddle daddle da....... This is the song, (da) about the global cli- mate! (daddle daddle daddle da.......) We're going to burn (da),.....or we will fereeeeeeeeze! (dum dum dum...) HE TRIED TO KILL ME WITH A FORKLIFT! (daddle da)........... (Ole!') | ||
| P_squared |
Hex, if ocean acidification is causing a rise in C02 levels, and we're currently at ~380 ppm, then can you tell me WHY life was SO abundant, including shellfish & coral, during the Jurassic period when it was at ~2500 ppm? As for the uptake of anthropogenic carbon dioxide you'd better not read this then: http://bobtisdale.blogspot.com/2009/01/reproducing -global-temperature.html Have to credit Sifo with this information he provided in another post. Guy deserves a medal. | ||
| Hexangler |
if ocean acidification is causing a rise in C02 levels Neither article says this. | ||
| Hexangler |
I have yet to harvest one tomato from my garden that is how temperate it has been here How much sunlight do your tomatoes get each day? If it's less than 8 hours direct sunlight, you won't get fruit. Has a tree started to shade your garden? I only know this because I have two tomato gardens. The one I planted at my mom's house is flourishing, while mine at my home dropped all their flowers and won't fruit. We had tomatoes at both gardens last year, only difference now is that my neighbors trees are shading my back yard this year, hence no fruit. There are many reasons for blossom drop. Lowish temperature is way down on the list. | ||
| P_squared |
Ocean acidification is one of the side effects of the rising concentration of carbon dioxide in Earth's atmosphere due to the burning of fossil fuels. Then I must have misread that statement. So then it's the rising CO2 levels causing the acidification? But if that's the case, how do we explain the Jurassic period? Significantly higher levels of CO2 and an explosion in life, including shellfish & coral. If anthropogenic carbon dioxide is causing ocean acidification, yet the levels of carbon dioxide are significantly less (~380 ppm vs. ~2500 ppm) than when life was literally exploding, and then we throw into question the effects of anthropogenic carbon dioxide, I'm failing to follow the "logic". | ||
| Sifo |
Once we go down the road of trying to enforce temperature where does it stop? How much do we spend? The big question is what global mean temperature are we going to set the thermostat to? The global temperature has been rising in general since the last major ice age. History tells us that we are due for the next ice age very shortly in geological terms. Who are we kidding with this BS? Until I hear reasonable answers to the questions of my first paragraph I can't see it as anything but politics. | ||
| Blake |
"Ocean acidification is one of the side effects of the rising concentration of carbon dioxide in Earth's atmosphere due to the burning of fossil fuels. " The ocean isn't even acidic. That argument is dishonest. The ocean is firmly in the non-acidic realm, otherwise known as "basic". So if the ocean is absorbing more CO2, it is merely becoming less basic, not "more acidic". Why is it the global warming alarmist have to be dishonest all the @#$&ing time? Seriously, I don't know of an article or report by a single one of them that passes is truly honest, no half-truths, no conveniently omitted data or information, no misleading graphical illustrations, etc. This tells me that they are pushing an agenda, not debating science. They are liars. I'm sick of liars. "Ocean acidification" is the name given... Right, by lying global warming alarmists who are trying with all their might to peddle their junk science. (Message edited by blake on August 13, 2009) | ||
| Hexangler |
"Acid" rain must be a myth as well... | ||
| P_squared |
So you're refusing to answer the questions being posed in regards to carbon dioxide (anthropogenic or otherwise) and "ocean acidification" and want to move to the new topic of acid rain? Hmmmm...I've seen this type of "debating" before I think. | ||
| Swordsman |
Acid rain has not the first thing to do with global warming. Should we discuss the acidity of colas next? ~SM | ||
| Hexangler |
Acid rain has not the first thing to do with global warming. Again, never said it did. pcubed, I don't have an answer to your pertinent question, infact I am only asking some questions myself. Some interesting tidbits from reef keeping: That the alkalinity is at least 2.5 meq/L (7 dKH) and preferably higher at the lower end of this pH range. This statement is based partly on the fact that many reef aquaria operate acceptably in the pH 7.8 to 8.0 range, but many of the best examples of these types of aquaria incorporate calcium carbonate/carbon dioxide reactors which, while tending to lower the pH, also tend to keep the carbonate alkalinity fairly high (at or above 3 meq/L.). In this case, any problems associated with calcification at these lower pH values may be offset by the higher alkalinity. Low pH stresses calcifying organisms primarily by making it harder for them to obtain sufficient carbonate to deposit skeletons. Raising the alkalinity may mitigate this difficulty by supplying extra bicarbonate to them. http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2007-05/rhf/index.ph p | ||
| Swordsman |
My bad, thought this was about global warming... missed the tangent. ~SM | ||
| Hexangler |
It's about CO2, man, and the world you new child is going to inherent. Used to be republicans were the party of natural conservancy. Heres a "junk science" graph for you to ponder from the reefkeeping link:  Figure 2. The relationship between alkalinity and pH in seawater with normal carbon dioxide levels (black), excess carbon dioxide (purple) and deficient carbon dioxide (blue). The green area represents normal seawater. | ||
| Hexangler |
“Clean” or unpolluted rain has a slightly acidic pH of about 5.2, because carbon dioxide and water in the air react together to form carbonic acid, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_rain | ||
| Rfischer |
As somebody noted above, it's useless to bring facts to a religious argument. Hex is a Goreian true believer. End of discussion. | ||
| Spiderman |
How much sunlight do your tomatoes get each day? If it's less than 8 hours direct sunlight, you won't get fruit. Has a tree started to shade your garden? I only know this because I have two tomato gardens. The one I planted at my mom's house is flourishing, while mine at my home dropped all their flowers and won't fruit. We had tomatoes at both gardens last year, only difference now is that my neighbors trees are shading my back yard this year, hence no fruit. Don't tell me how to grow plants, they have full sun from sun up to 1 hour till sun down. I have over 50 green tomatoes on the vine that have been there for 2 months. The night time temp has be averaging 60s since June... It is not a matter of sun light but temp I couldn't get corn to even get started in the cold soil till June... |
