| Author | Message | ||
     Cobraman |
Anyone here run the reusable oil filter sold at american sportbike? http://www.americansportbike.com/shoponline/ccp0-p rodshow/9034.html Just curious how this works. Are you just replacing filtering elements every so often (using the same housing) or what? | ||
| Drhacknstine |
Nope, wash and reuse. It has a SS mesh cartridge, its pleated and easly cleaned, Carb cleaner usualy dose the trick. My brother has that filter on his 67 shovel. He has been after me to invest in one for a year now. They seem to be very well made. I would use one if i had the money for the one.  (Message edited by Drhacknstine on August 05, 2009) | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
I've been running one on my X1 for about 5000 miles now and love it. I just clean it in Kerosene or Diesel and put it back together. I think the billet exterior with the fins drops oil temps a bit too. | ||
| Blazin_buell |
Well worth the investment, the S-1 has had one on it for 5yrs and the Mrs. Duc for 3. Easy to clean and care for! | ||
| Eshardball |
My concern would be the level of filtration. I like the idea in therory but I run the Pure One filters after looking at the test comparisons. IIRC the reusable filters only go down to about 30 microns. Someone with more knowledge than me, please chime in | ||
| Rick_a |
I've used one for about 10,000 miles. No issues to speak of. | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
http://www.kandpengineering.com/S4.shtml | ||
| Sloppy |
How much do these filters cost? $150 - add shipping and tax and you're about $165. Okay, how much does a disposable filter cost? $7 That means it will take AT LEAST, 24 disposable filters to equal the price of these filters. On average people probably change their oil every year? So that means it will take... 24 YEARS to pay for itself!!! Let's be realistic - these filters are NOT MONEY SAVERS. They are money wasters. If you want more "glam" and "bling" then go for it - but don't fool yourself into thinking your saving money. Based upon the evidence I think they're a waste, but that's what's great about capitalism - you get to choose how to spend your money (instead of the government)! In addition - I see no way that they can filter as well as a disposable filter. So you're getting less filtration performance and it costs more money. Bling, Bling... | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
If you change your oil once a year, you either need to take better care of your engine or get the •••• out there and ride more. | ||
| Sloppy |
 LOL - some of us are busy raising a family and don't have the time to go for extended fun rides just yet... but anyways, we'll do more math - Okay, two oil changes a year... it will take 12 YEARS to pay off. Okay, 4 oil changes a year... it will take 6 YEARS to pay off. You'll be better off investing in Socialized Security... and we all know what a joke that is. Bling, Bling...  | ||
| Kalali |
Sloppy, you are the man...  | ||
| Rick_a |
I use one for the benefit of added cooling by the finned aluminum housing, and to be able to see, to some extent, what's going through the engine. There's a magnet that catches ferrous metals and matter that's been caught by the filter are easily seen. Screw the cost. I never used cheap filters anyway...so it'll only take me a couple more years to cover the cost. | ||
| Sloppy |
What did you use - 50 dollar nickel plated oil filters signed by Michael Jackson? Yea, that'll pay back quickly! If anyone likes to open oil filters I can highly recommend the Jeg's brand (jegs.com). Cheaper than a reusable filter and you can use it on all your vehicles. Funny thing though is that of the 20 odd filters I've opened in my lifetime, I've never come across any surprises. So if you are good about vehicle maintenance then you likely don't need an oil filter opener... Btw, Napa carries an excellent oil filter design and all black! Unlike the Fr*m cr*p. (Message edited by sloppy on August 07, 2009) | ||
| Rick_a |
To each their own. I used to use the H-D long spin-ons. When your daily ride has high compression, a small oil capacity, makes 100 rwhp and is usually operated in hot weather...it can use all the help it can get in the oil capacity department. Call me superstitious, but I refuse to use any type of automotive filters. Finding thin shards and metal paste let me know my oil pump drive gear was about to let go. On another occasion a couple tiny pieces off a valve spring collar that had fractured were found...so it's already paid huge dividends for me. | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
yall can keep that thing ill keep on running my ugly orange and black fram. | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
$150 is worth my peace of mind. If I want to make a sound financial investment I'll talk to Edward Jones but for unnecessary, shiny motorcycle parts, Al is my guy  (pics above and below taken 100 miles after a rebuild - hence the large amount of metal)  Another $0 filter change and one step closer to paying for my filter bling.  | ||
| Rick_a |
Mine's an early one that uses a huge snap ring...that looks much better. Enough talk from the Fram Gang  | ||
| Brokeneck |
Bought mine from NRHS -- It is overpriced-- but it is a work of art -- Like the fact that it has the cooling fins and the magnet -- but really like that I can dump the oil anytime I want without getting a new filter -- never expected it'd save me any money -- but we all know all these bikes are money pits any way -- looks cool-- enough said -- | ||
| Sloppy |
So the magnet is on the dirty side of the filter - basically acts as a prefilter. Interesting. I didn't realize these filters were so small - it actually looks smaller than the XL filter. Do they offer a "dyna" sized one? If anyone is interested in a magnetic filter to capture ferrous metals BEFORE it enters the engine have a look at magnafilter. This design covers a 360 deg plain around the filter boss of the oil inlet rather than a single source as a prefilter (as most magnetic filters are used). I use this design for my ATF vehicles and am very impressed by them. But, sorry to say, there is no "bling" with the magnafilters. | ||
| Phelan |
I like the looks of the shiny re-useable filters, but I prefer the huge Purolator Pure One PL-30001 I have now. I just don't trust level of filtration of the billet filters, and I like the added oil capacity I get with the Purolator. Plus the rough finish one is yellow and matches my paint (for now)! | ||
| Eshardball |
Ditto on the Pure One. It had one of the best test results against filters costing alot more. I have a cool collar over my filter that provides cooling. My concern with the washable filters is that 30 micron particles will chew up the inside of my engine much faster than 10 micron particles | ||
| Jramsey |
PK, looking at your pic's you have a serious internal engine problem. | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
That's why I said that those pics were taken during the first oil change after a rebuild. "(pics above and below taken 100 miles after a rebuild - hence the large amount of metal)" I've changed it 3 or 4 times since then and it looks better every time. | ||
| Jramsey |
"pics above and below taken 100 ...... Yes I can read, I read all post on this forum and try to post only helpfull info. Over the years I have rebuilt five or six dozen motors and have blueprinted probably that many more and I doubt I've had found that much trash in all the filters combined. | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
I appreciate the heads up. I was worried during that oil change but the oil cleaned up with every change. I've now got over 5k on the rebuild and had no problems other than burning 1 quart every 1k miles like clockwork. Ill keep a close eye on things especially during my next oil change which is about 500 miles away. | ||
| Oldog |
no problems other than burning 1 quart every 1k miles like clockwork. Yeow!  thats wwaaaayyy too much... | ||
| Skntpig |
Ummm yeah that is too much. | ||
| Kalali |
1 quart out of 2.5 quarts every 1000 miles does sound quite excessive. So essentially after 2500 miles the entire oil capacity is used up... Something does not add up. | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
So if its burning too much oil and had too much metal in the oil during break in.. What does that point to? That sucks. For a while I thought I had pulled off my first rebuild without any hitches | ||
| Kalali |
This brings up a question I have been meaning to ask (and I apologize in advance if slightly off-topic): Consider this scenario: Ride the bike to get the engine warm/hot, drain the oil and change filter, fill with 2.5 quarts, ride the bike, drain the oil, drain the filter, measure oil quantity. Will I get 2.5 quarts out of the engine after the second draining (assuming no spilling while replacing the filter)?. Doesn't is depend on how quickly I drain the oil after I stop the motor (sort of in line with how the oil level is checked)? | ||
| Guell |
From everything ive read, the billet filters dont filter down as well as a regular oil filter. And for how much they cost, i wont ever buy one. The long dyna filter works great and holds more oil too. Yea Pk, as everyone has stated, that dont look good. At over 5k miles on the build and its still burning oil, somethings wrong. | ||
| Pkforbes87 |
I've never ridden a Buell that didn't burn that much oil, so I never thought anything of it. started another thread so I'll stop hijacking this one  (Message edited by pkforbes87 on August 13, 2009) | ||
| The_italian_job |
I have it on my XB, polished and diamond cut...  I honestly had a need of "show" appearance on my bike, so I didn't really care if it was worthing the money or not. but it does what it's required to do... |
