| Author | Message | ||
     Jaimec |
Self-preservation is a wonderful instinct to have. | ||
| Blake |
It looked like Rossi might take poll on his last qual lap. I like what I see of Lorenzo going back to his 250 career. Sucks to see him getting injured again. The young man is giving all to try to beat Rossi and win the championship. Matt, I see; you are talking power per cc. No argument there then. I just don't see enough racing fans sharing such an appreciation for two stroke sport bike. Imagine the HP/cc of a race tuned supercharged two stroke. I understand that the 250cc racing machines are making close to 100 HP. At one time, the AMA was considering including 350 cc two strokes in the old Formula Xtreme class. Pity that didn't happen. Let 'em all race I say, like our CCS race sanctioning organization does. I think that you are dead on why that doesn't happen, Japan Inc doesn't want it. | ||
| Vagelis46 |
EVINRUDE outboard engines are 2stroke and made in the USA. http://www.repowerwithevinrude.com/?from=Homepage& utm_source=repowerwithevinrude.com&utm_medium=webs ite&utm_content=website_repower&utm_campaign=Repow er#/10reasons/cleanest_outboard/ They say their outboard engines have lower emissions than the 4strokes, while being lighter and more powerfull. A true 2stroke engine with direct injection. I wish an engine like this is used for a sports bike. Which manufacturerwill be bold enought to do it ?? Buell? My predictions for Laguna : 1. Rossi 2. Stoner 3. Pedrosa | ||
| Vagelis46 |
Wait a minute..... Rotax and Evinrude are both part of the BRP.... | ||
| Doerman |
I loved Hayden's 4th of July leathers! Good showing by him as well. | ||
| Jaimec |
The little midget finally won one. I was SO hoping Rossi would've pipped him at the line as he did with Lorenzo earlier this year. No such luck. Way to go NICKY! Maybe he's finally getting a handle on that miserable Ducati after all! | ||
| Smoke |
flag to flag for Pedrosa. let up a little too much and Rossi got a sniff. Stoner looked whipped again and Lorenzo got a terrible start. good job for Nicky and Colin. Good race!! tim | ||
| Trojan |
here you go Blake, just the ticket  http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/APRILIA-RS250-BANSHEE-OR-RD3 50-YPVS-SPECIAL-RACER_W0QQitemZ300326811702QQcmdZV iewItemQQptZUK_Motorcycles?hash=item45ecdf7836&_tr ksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A7%7C66%3A2%7C39%3 A1%7C240%3A1318%7C301%3A0%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50 | ||
| Jimidan |
Is there any way to watch this race on-line? I missed recording it since it was on FOX and I had it set up to record on SPEED. Dohhh! | ||
| Jaimec |
You can pay the fee at http://www.motogp.com/ | ||
| Vagelis46 |
Next round at Germany could be another win for Pedrosa. He is really good around this track. Is HRC back to victories ?? The championship looks really good for the future races. Lets hope that Stoner recovers from his illness, and then it could be 4 riders and 3 manufacturers able to win, in each race. Hayden said after Laguna : 1. "Riding this bike for 32 laps is a lot different than the Honda I had before. I was at my limit for the 45 minutes of the race." 2."We went actually another step, but this week was the biggest improvement with the electronics. Being here at this track helped and the closer I get, and the faster I go, the easier it gets. " 3. "I was pretty confident in the soft front tyre here," he explained. "I could brake harder. In Turns One, Two, Nine and Ten I was on the edge. I crashed [earlier in the weekend] trail braking into Turn Seven. With this bike you gotta brake a lot, and I have to get used to it. You have to stay on the brakes to keep it turning. I'll have moments on the track when I almost crash, and then I watch it on TV and it's nothing." Basically, he says that the Ducati is very physically demanding. Personally I think that the Ducati has handling problems, and it has lost its power advantage compared to the Japanese manufacturers. It is 100% down to the rider to produce a good result. | ||
| Jaimec |
Did you see how easily Casey passed Valentino on the straight?? I don't think they've lost any power advantage... | ||
| Vagelis46 |
That happened once, and it looked like Rossi either made a mistake or deliberately let Stoner pass. Looking at the top speeds, and watching the bikes down the straights on the last tracks, there is no power advantage for Ducati, at least not as it was back in the 2007. But the difference in the handling is clear. | ||
| Fdl3 |
My vote is Rossi did it on purpose! Remember the battle between these two last year? And the corkscrew pass by Rossi to take the lead from Stoner? I think Rossi could not resist the opportunity to mess with Stoner's head. I think Rossi *knew* he could pass Stoner and wanted to rub it in. It's a working theory...  | ||
| Trojan |
Is HRC back to victories ?? The general consensus, even from HRC, is that Laguna may have been a 'blip' and that the Honda is still not competitive enough to challenge for a win every week. However, now that pedrosa is 90% fit he will always figure in the front running group and could have a serious impact on the championship points and standings, even if he has no chance of winning the title himself. Stoner looks no closer to solving his mystery illness, and now has arm pump and a badly healing wrist, which was discovered yesterday. I think his title chances have finished now, and if he and Ducati were sensible they would miss the German GP altogether to give him time to heal properly (and concentrate on getting the rest of the Ducati riders further up the field!). Have Hayden's troubles now disappeared? I doubt it, but he certainly looks to have made some improvement. He benefitted last week from crashes in front of him and he always goes well at Laguna, so I think this next race will be the telling point for his season. Latest rumour from Yamaha is that if Spies wins the WSB title at the first attempt then he will have the choice whether he stays in WSB for a second season or moves up to MotoGP in the Tech 3 squad. Yamaha bosses are holding everything for his decision apparently. If Ben decides to go to MotoGP then it will be as a straight swap for either Toseland or Edwards (even if they have already signed contracts with Tech 3 for 2010!) Until Spies makes his decision I think there will be a lot teams waiting before they fill their vacant seats and everything shuffles into place. Honda are allegedly going to put another two leased RCV212s on the grid next year too. One for Jorge Martinez to run for Alvaro Bautista and the other probably going to Swiss rider Thomas Luthi's Cafe Latte team. At least that will bring the grid back up to a reasonable number, as it has been very thin indeed lately and Hayate/Kawasaki won't be running in 2010. Moto2 seems to be the most exciting class of all next year, with the grids already oversubscribed and the organisers making a further 'cull' of prospective teams in October to get down to manageable numbers. Kenny Roberts has stated that he will be running a team (probably for Steve Bonsey, who is somehow managing to climb the GP ranks without actually winning anything yet) and there are a whole host of European chassis manufacturers entering the fray too I would expect an influx of 600 Supersports riders to join the established 250 guys in the class next year, as it will suit their high corner speed style far better than Superbikes. I hope that Josh Herrin (a much better prospect US rider than Bonsey in my opinion, and always room for another number 46) and Cal Crutchlow both get the chance to make the jump while they are both young enough to get a couple of 'learning' years under their belts before moving to MotoGP.  | ||
| Jaimec |
Damn. Gibernau's out. :-( | ||
| Trojan |
Damn. Gibernau's out. :-( I think the only people that will notice will be the other people fighting for last place on the grid. However, at least he kept the numbers up, now that he has gone maybe Buell should enter an 1125 in MotoGP. They could at least score a top 20 | ||
| Jaimec |
They'd have to destroke it to 800cc. Unlike Superbike, MotoGP doesn't care how many cylinders you have, you can't exceed 800cc. But I'm betting it would finish ahead of Gabor Talmacsi... | ||
| Firstbuell |
RE: Stevie Bonsey I feel ya - after all, what's he done on pavement? on dirt, however, SB's impressed KR's early sponsor [Norm Abrams of A&A RAcing], who told me that SB was the only rider he's ever seen who could ride dirt as well as The King pretty strong praise, from one who's literally seen them all..... | ||
| Trojan |
RE: Stevie Bonsey I feel ya - after all, what's he done on pavement? Steve Bonsey may be an ace dirt tracker, and I sung his praises on this board when he first arrived in 125GP. However, he seems to be riding a wave of money rather than results or talent right now, as he hasn't shown anything like the speed or talent necessaryto get to the front of 125 or 250GP, yet KR would choose him over another young American (Josh Herrin) who has already raced and won at 125/250 and now most importantly 600cc. If anyone can get stright onto a Moto2 bike in the first season and go fast immediately it will be someone coming from a Supersport background, Josh Herrin, Cal Crutchlow and Eugene Laverty should be regarded as hot propoerty right now because all 3 are young enough to make the transition through Moto2 into MotoGP. There are of course other talented 600 front runners, but none who have the right combination of youth, eperience and talent. Laverty even has 2 years of 250GP so he knows all the circuits already The new 600cc Moto2 bikes are already running in the Spanish Formula extreme against 1000cc sportsbikes and lapping at similar pace, so we can expect some exciting racing next year. | ||
| Trojan |
I've just read that Honda have filed a patent for a four stroke single cylinder race bike (as if that is a new thing, Moriwaki are already producing the MD250 and supermono racing has been around for years!) intended to replace the current 125GP class. Are Honda determined to OWN all of the MotoGP classes? And why are the other manufacturers letting them get away with it? This can only be a precursor to Honda demanding that the tiddler two stroke class be done away with and replaced with another of their ideas (as was Moto2 and 4 stroke MotoGP)  | ||
| Blake |
I don't want to see a Honda monopoly of any racing class, but I say good riddance to the two strokes. I've never liked them. They sound like hyperactive weed wackers. Those Moriwaki 250 singles are music to the ears. I see the TT is running an electric class this year. I don't like that either, but it's still better than two strokes. | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
+1 I don't know which I hate more- Honda or two-strokes... I guess a Honda two-stroke ranks right up there with the anti-christ. | ||
| Vagelis46 |
2 strokes are great. It seems that none of you have tried to ride or do service work a 2stroke street bike. You get a special "race" feeling, the way the engine runs and revs. Buell started with a 2stroke engine.... If we are talking +250cc, +2cyl, 2strokes , the sound is great. Are the IL4s 600cc revving at 20.000rpm any better ?? No way a R6 at 16000rpm sounds any better than my RS250 at 10000rpm. | ||
| Davegess |
"yet KR would choose him over another young American " King Kenny is always right so SB MUST be the better choice | ||
| Redbuelljunkie |
Wouldn't own or service a two-stroke street bike if it were free. Also, can't stand the sound of a high-revving I-4 (unless long-bang)- this is a twin forum after all. Got a four-stroke v-twin and a triple in the garage, so I've got the best sounds covered. Ya'll can keep the two-strokes- they're not wanted here. | ||
| Smoke |
i still like the 2-strokes and i want them here as well in the racing forum of MotoGp. unfortunately, to me, the series owners are changing the rules to make them go away. i guess there just are not enough places to race a 600. have fun at the races! tim | ||
| Fresnobuell |
love those 2-strokes! Bring back the 500s... Just wondering when they are going to eliminate the 125s and run built Kawi 250s | ||
| Trojan |
The majority of UK riders of 'a certain age' like me were brought up on highly tuned razor sharp two strokes so they still hold a special place in our hearts Memories of thrashing along on a home tuned RD250 with loud expansion pipes and left hand hovering constantly covering the clutch lever come flooding back.............. I love the sound (and smell) of racing two strokes and think it will be a real shame when they are finally get sent to the scrap heap just because Honda have a 4 stroke agenda. Let's face it, if you want to see close racing in GP's these days thenit is usually the two stroke classes that provide it | ||
| Blake |
Do you think it will be any less close with four stroke engines? |
