| Author | Message | ||
     Pizzaboy |
I'm getting to te point where I put nearly as many track miles on my puke as I do street miles; which makes me consider if there is a tire better suited for both the track and the 1125's excessive power. For the people who spend most of their 1125's time on the track what tire do you choose? I currently run bridgestone bt016's. I've squeezed 4 track days out of them, but I'm looking for something that grips better, and am leaning towards a dot race tire. I need a tire that will help build deep turning confidence and one that isn't as easy to break loose when getting the throttle in early in a turn. Your preferences, please...!!! | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Are you prepared to buy and use tire warmers? From my understanding heat cycling between sessions without tire warmers will destroy a race tire quickly. Also keep in mind that if you plan to ride on the street with race tires, you will never be able to get them to the correct operating temperature, therefore you are sacrificing street performance and possibly safety. BTW, I am a big fan of the BT-016s and have no issues with them on the track. As a matter of fact, I had them at the track yesterday in 104 degree ambient and probably 140 degree track temperature and they worked wonderfully. I think these latest generation multi-compound tires are about the best compromise between street/track. | ||
| Doerman |
+1 on Fresno. After about 8 heatcycles on a DOT or slick racetire, the oil in the tire is used up and the tire becomes pretty near useless for track or street. I always get nervous when I see folks buy takeoffs from the tire vendor at Willow for 50 bucks. That "bargain" can bite. | ||
| Clarkjw |
Why aren't you buying race takeoffs? FYI, BT003's are better for the track. | ||
| Slaughter |
What's your budget and performance needs? If you are quick enough, the Pirelli Dragon Corsa are great tires but the Dunlops offer a bit more compound choices. Good traction costs about $450 a day in rubber. | ||
| Duggram |
I switched to BT003 medium compounds last fall. I could really feel the difference from the Corsa 3's. BTW I don't mind using tire warmers (mainly to keep heat cycles to a minimum). If you use warmers religiously you'll only have one heat cycle per day. The tires are so good it's worth the extra hassle. The set I have on now have been through two race days and a track day. I'm planning to attend a two day race school soon and I'm sure they will be fine for that too. Doerman, some of the fast guys at our track use warn out tires to practice on. Not sure what the reasoning is, but they do talk about learning to ride with more "feel." | ||
| Doerman |
Clark.. Check this out. It is a long video, but FF to 6:00 for the answer as to why not get race take-offs for street use. | ||
| Clarkjw |
Ohh. To be clear, I did not mean race takeoffs for the street. He should swap to race tires every track day. The contact patch is larger and the profile + traction are worth the 30 bucks to change at the track. Race takeoffs are like $100 to $200 a set. | ||
| Paint_shaker |
I've raced Pirelli Super Corsas and B-Stone 003s. They both have near the same feel and stick about the same, but the Stones cost less. The Stones also wear a bit better. I have found that both the Pirelli and the Stones fade slowly when worn. I have been told when Michelins and Dunlops go, they go and are not very forgiving (but I have never tried either on the track). I usually run 1 set of tires per race weekend. A race weekend is four 6 lap practices, one 20 lap race and two 8 lap sprints. At Jennings I will usually flip them between after the Sat races as Jennings is hard on the left side of the tire. Your results may vary! FYI, B-Stone is now offering the 003RS as a hybrid street/track tire. (Message edited by Paint shaker on July 28, 2009) | ||
| Duggram |
Steve, I'm paying about $350 for BT003, and that's with a 190 on the back. Is there really that much difference between Mich/dunlop and BT003s? | ||
| Chadhargis |
I typically run Diablo Corsa III's on the track. I've run take offs, and other race rubber, and while I have no issues dropping a knee and pushing the bike, you really have to ride at a different level to keep a set of race slicks to operating temp. The DOT tires, not so much. I do run warmers, and I use them on street tires. I like the extra security of knowing they are warm when I leave pit lane. I've used DOT race tires, and if I were going to do just track riding with the bike, that's what I'd run, but be prepared to replace them early and often. They are soft and sticky. I can get 4 or 5 track days out of a set of Corsa III's and still have a few hundred street miles left in them for tossing on my Ulysses. | ||
| Jersey_thunder |
MICHELLIN POWER RACE / POWER ONE MEDIUM/MEDIUM RACE ONLY POWER ONE RS STREET/TRACK | ||
| Slaughter |
I run slicks and flipping them around, I can actually get 2 days on a set. Racing day 1, warmups and practice day 2 but they're SHOT at the end of day 2. The race compound DOTs from Pirelli can be gotten the same as the slicks so I imagine the mileage would be similar. I haven't run racing DOT from Bridgestone so really can't comment there. | ||
| Wfo_rey |
I have good luck with Conti Race Attack tires on the track .They heat up real fast. | ||
| Pizzaboy |
paint shaker, your post was kind of what i was looking for in an answer. im leaning really hard towards the BT003's; partially because of how much i have liked the 16's and partially because of the price! http://www.superbikesupply.com/index.php?method=De tail&ItemsId=28544 i havent thought much about the heat cycle dilemma with the DOT race's. i dont know if im ready to start wrapping them between sessions... and i DO still ride atleast 50% of my miles on the street. im looking for the next step beyond an OEM replacement style tire which is what the BT016's are; as badass as they may be! | ||
| Smoke |
pizza boy, one suggestion for the track- spare rims, race dot's, tire warmers. ok 3 suggestions. you'll be glad you did. tim | ||
| Fresnobuell |
The Bt-003RS has not gotten great reviews, if you pay attention to the moto mags. One specifically said the 016s were better tires and the 003s were good for sliding practice around on the track. | ||
| Clarkjw |
Sorry fres, I've ridden the 003's on a CBR. They are very grippy. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
So you can believe Clark or multiple reviews by moto journalists....your pick. | ||
| Pizzaboy |
I might give them a shot just because they're labeled as a mostly track tire. I haven't read any reviews on the 003's yet, but I would love to hear what they have to say. Good reviews were what initially turned my on to the 016's! My ultimate goal is to get a 2nd set of rims [I want cherry bomb red for the street, and the stock blue for the track] and then just swap out... However I'm not quite $$ ready for it yet | ||
| Tpoppa |
Anybody tried the Conti Race Attack? | ||
| Slaughter |
003 Stones were just reviewed in RRW... either this month or last. Check the cover. Can't remember which issue. | ||
| Slaughter |
It was the July issue of RRW (Kenny Noyes). BMWS1000RR on the cover. The review was the Bridgestone BT-003RS on a number of bikes CBR1000RR, R1, ZX10R Opinions seemed to be the tires were adequate for the 600-class bikes but traction was iffier on the rear for the litre-class bikes. They do acknowledge that the gain in tire life HAS TO come with a loss of grip. They do say that the loss of traction IS predictable making exit sliding easy to handle but it does sound like lower pressure still wouldn't help. (they messed with pressures a lot) The tires DID come up to traction fast without warmers (a good thing for a street tire and the occasional track tire for a rider without warmers) Good feel in the front right away. With pressures adjusted finally for handling, track and Kenny Noyes' riding style, he said there was a noticeable amount of movement exiting the turns but nothing surprising... but ALL the litrebikes gave him LONG slides on the turn exits when warmed. Final statement was that he considered them to be more road-oriented because of the harder compounds... compared to Michelin Pilot One Street or Pirelli Diablo Supercorsa SP but acknowledged that was a statement based on perception and NOT same-track, same-bikes, same-day comparison. Good review - you MIGHT be able to get it if you hurry, new RRW is already at the news stands. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Some post track day shots of the BT-016. You can see the distinct line where the compounds change on the rear, not so much on the front. I really like these shoes.     | ||
| D_adams |
Fresno, what pressure did you run at and what was the track temps? Also, roughly, how many miles/track days are on those? | ||
| Pizzaboy |
Those pics are EXACTLY what my bt016's look like after exiting the track! I was at buttonwillow raceway,CA a few weekends ago, and being the fast track that it was plus 110+ air temps that weekend, my tires were melting like butter! | ||
| Tasmaniac |
I'm getting a great run out of the Michelin pilot Power 2CT's excellent grip and wear for the track and street Regards Brett | ||
| Fresnobuell |
The ambient was 104 with blazing sunshine. I am not sure of the track temp, other than HOT. I always start with 30/30 cold no matter what ambient temp has been and honestly it has worked so well that I haven't really worried about tire pressure the rest of the day. Roughly these tires have about 2,000 total miles, with 4 track days IIRC. 2 days in the spring and 2 days in much warmer weather. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
my tires were melting like butter! I didn't get the feeling like they were getting overly greasy. Yes there was some minor slippage in the last couple hotter sessions, but nothing that felt uncomfortable. |
