| Author | Message | ||
     Chadr81 |
Liquor - I knew you'd find your way back!! Way to go buddy!  | ||
| Liquorwhere |
Chad, Find my way back? I was reading the article and saw "unobtanium" I knew that had to be someone from BADWEB, because I have read it here, so I posted an article you could read and if you go to the link send in your opinion if so desired, what is your problem with my posts? I don't toe any line I don't feel is correct, period. Politically, personally or even in my recreation, are you trying to point out that because my opinion differs that automatically I am wrong? I don't think any of the arguments on here could be considered wrong...it is a discussion board, to discuss opinions of points of interest of a group of people. I just pointed out that it is contrary to the rulebook and that I would rather this bike be released as a street legal bike with the same specs minus the exhaust and ECM for EPA reasons and the ability to buy said parts to upgrade it....what is the problem with that??? What is YOUR problem with that??? | ||
| P_squared |
How is it a red herring? As Joe Public non-racer, I can't buy the 1125RR. If I could buy Mladin's/Bostrom's/Hodgson's/Peggram's exact bikes, but not the 1125RR, then I'd say there's something to complain about. Not 1 of the bikes on the grid is street legal. Using that as the basis of your argument is flawed IMO. If Buell Racing was building the 1125RR from SCRATCH, I'd be more lenient to the cry of "foul." But until someone can prove that, it's faux outrage. | ||
| Chadr81 |
To quote a D'bag correctly, you said "Actually this is just a waste of time......g'day." Like I said buddy, glad you made it back! Knew you couldn't resist.  Oh, almost forgot.....  | ||
| Liquorwhere |
To quote a D'bag correctly, you said "Actually this is just a waste of time......g'day." Like I said buddy, glad you made it back! Knew you couldn't resist. Oh, almost forgot..... I believe that was in response to a snippet from Badlionsfan, not you, dick...so I will be happy to post to you as you post to me...•••• off. You are an •••••••. G'day. Dick and please anytime you are in florida...please look me up...please... (Message edited by liquorwhere on July 17, 2009) | ||
| Chadr81 |
People read into this crap way too much. The bike is based off the 1125R. Like others have said, the only thing that Buell has done is take all the race parts that they have available and put them on a legal AMA turnkey race bike... a RACE BIKE for racers. It's not unheard of through the industry that race parts/race bikes are only available to people with race licenses. If you want the shit so bad, go get your CCS license so you can have access to all the goodies. | ||
| Dbird29 |
www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Internet_tough_guy Looks like we are going to an Internet Tough Guy rumble. | ||
| Bikejunky |
ps. You think Buell supplied DMG/AMA with these part before June 18 2009, which is also require by the rules?  Being that the motorcycle's existence was just announced today, I tend to doubt it. Sample Parts and Information The following items must be supplied to AMA Pro Racing by the manufacturer / distributor for technical identification purposes. The manufacturer / distributor is required to make all efforts possible to deliver the parts and information to the AMA Pro Racing office no later than 30 days prior to the first event that the new model will compete in. If the parts and in-formation have not been delivered to the AMA Pro Racing office by the first event that the new model will compete in, the motorcycle used in competition may be impounded until they are available. 1. Fuel injection throttle body (complete, for at least one cylinder) 2. Crankcase 3. Crankshaft 4. Piston 5. Connecting rod 6. Transmission (Gears and shafts) 7. Cylinder head (Front and rear for V-twin or V-4) 8. Intake and exhaust cam (Multi cylinder only) 9. Set of valves for one cylinder (Multi cylinder only) 10. Main frame One complete motorcycle with production VIN can be substituted in place of the above parts. 11. Fully dimensioned drawings (same as FIM) with production tolerances for the following: Main frame Throttle body Crankcase Crankshaft Cylinder head Camshafts Fuel tank Fairing and bodywork Isn't this funny, this guy is saying that he doesn't believe that the RR should be allowed and then goes and proves that the RR isn't a different model because BMC would have had to had the parts to DMG/AMA for inspection ahead of time. MUTHA F***ING DUH! Because the 1125R uses the same MUTHA F***ING parts! Meaning that the bike is a "RACE MODIFIED 1125R from the Buell Factory" Naysayers open your eyes and ears! | ||
| Chadr81 |
I love how people talk so big when posting on forums. Go beat off in the bathroom to a picture of Michael Jackson so it takes you down a couple notches - wouldn't want you to burst that blood vein in your temple. Why the hell would I waste my time coming down there to look you up?!?! I have a couple of Marine Corps buddies who don't live too far from you... | ||
| Lemonchili_x1 |
Just throwing my 2c in... "it's easy to see who are racers or have been racers..." I'll agree with that, and not in a nasty way, but meaning that a racer (especially a privateer or team owner looking for a bike for this season or next) will see the release of this bike totally differently to a road rider (including myself). The days of races like the Castrol 6-hour, racing totally showroom stock bikes (albeit blueprinted and incredibly carefully prepared) are long gone (pity). The days of riding your bike to a club race meeting, removing road gear and being competitve are long gone too. Correct me if I'm wrong but even a Superstock or Supersport class racer is no longer EPA legal. If I recall correctly Suzuki released a GSXR750SP (around '93?) and Kawasaki released a ZXR750R ('95?) that were homologated for SBK, but not road legal in this country, and still allowed to race in the Australian Superbike series. Possibly the same thing happened with some of the pre-999 Ducati's, of which I lost track of all the SP3, SP5, SPO, 916/955/998 models. (Has *every* other bike homologated for AMA Superbike been available as a roadbike?) | ||
| Court |
>>> BUELL MOTOR COMPANY IS DOING THE INSTALLATION OF THE TRICK RACE PARTS Might want to look in to that. | ||
| Spike |
Because there's nothing in the AMA rules that says they have to sell the bike as modified for race use. If they're not required to by the rules, it's a red herring to keep bringing it up as if it's relevant. Suzuki may also not be nice to animals. They also may prefer Pepsi to Coke. None of that matters as defined by the rules. The rules state that the bikes must be sold as street-certified production models. Suzuki sells a street-certified production model GSX-R1000. You can buy one at your local dealer. The rules state that the bikes can be modified. You can modify your own GSX-R1000. Suzuki races a modified GSX-R1000. Suzuki is not required to sell you their modified GSX-R1000. It does not matter if Buell sells the 1125RR to privateers. They could give them away to charity. It would be a nice thing to do, but it would not be relevant to the rules. The rules state that the bike must be a street-certified production model. Buell does not make a street-certified production model 1125RR. As long as Buell and the AMA consider the 1125RR to be a different model than the 1125R it does not matter what we call it on the internet. | ||
| Rfischer |
or SBK. cf. BMW/Aprilia. Tried to buy one of those recently????? Tho', in fairness, BMW DID announce pricing this week.... | ||
| Greenlantern |
Discussion is a wonderful thing. So are the RULES! Please follow them. Terms of Use | ||
| Nutsosane |
Could Buell have "announced" this in a more pallative manner? One that would alienate it less from the general, non-Buell owning public? Had Buell released the 1125RR race kit for $20k and a 1125r standard motorcycle for $12k would we be up to this many posts? NUTS | ||
| Blake |
>>>Buell does not make a street-certified production model 1125RR Yes they do. It is called the Buell 1125R. You're entire case rests on the outrageous use of one extra letter designating a race prepped bike by the good folks at Buell Racing. All the modifications have been approved by the sanctioning body. Thus the race prepped Buell 1125R, being designated the "1125R"R is 100% legal for AMA Superbike. If Suzuki commenced selling their racing version of the GSXR1000, it too would be 100% legal, and they could designate it "GSXRR", or "Nancy", or "SquidsRUs" or whatever they like. All the nonsense over the added "R" is ridiculous. NOTHING in the rules states that the name of the bike must remain unchanged from its street bike form. That they choose otherwise doesn't make the Buell 1125RR illegal; it simply makes it unique, a race-prepped 1125R street bike turned AMA Superbike being sold to racers. Again, there is NOTHING in the rules that prohibits anyone from performing the AMA SBK race preparation of a homologated street bike and then selling the resulting product. That is exactly what the folks at Buell Racing are doing. If anyone else chooses to do the same thing, the product would be just as legal in AMA Superbike. | ||
| Spatten1 |
Spike is dead on. It really is that simple. Sell a kit and a stock bike, follow the simple rules. In the end does it make a difference in product on the track? No, not at all. You are all right about that. So, if it's the same bike, sell a kit and follow the rules. Rfischer: That is WSBK, not AMA/DMG, different rule book. And you forgot about Foggy Petronas, the biggest joke of them all. | ||
| Hughlysses |
(cross-posted from a thread in the racing forum, as amended by Smoke) It seems this discussion is jelling into 3 viewpoints: 1- Buell followed the homologation process that DMG proscribed and the 1125RR is legal for American Sportbike. 2- DMG is giving Buell a major break, legalizing the 1125RR is unfair to the other manufacturers, and Buell is in effect being allowed to cheat. 3- While the 1125RR has been declared legal, Buell's press release and DMG's declaration create the impression of bias for Buell in Superbike, and will result in a loss of credibility if/when the bike does win races. These folks seem to have the most heartburn with Buell for unnecessarily creating a perception of bias. OK, back to the   | ||
| Rfischer |
I didn't forget about Foggy. And WSBk rules require that bikes be in production and available for sale to the public in order to race in the class. Clearly neither the BMW or Aprila meet that requirement at present. As opposed to Buell. | ||
| Paint_shaker |
They are selling a kit... it's just comes pre-installed. | ||
| Blake |
"Spike is dead on. It really is that simple. Sell a kit and a stock bike, follow the simple rules." They do. Any professional racer can purchase the same exact parts and have them installed by a crew of professional race bike builders. Buell Racing has simply taken the initiative and installed the racing parts for the racer who is interested in procuring that service from Buell Racing. There is no difference other than the fact that Joe racer is spared the exercise of having to first purchase the street bike himself and have it delivered to Buell Racing. Do you imagine that Matt Mladin goes out and purchases a street bike and a race kit? Then why are you demanding that Buell racers be held to that standard? It really is that simple. Good that the issue is settled. | ||
| Court |
>>>> Sell a kit and a stock bike, >>>>They are selling a kit... it's just comes pre-installed. I think you're kinda on the right track. I mean how about if Buell MOTORCYCLE company, allowed to do nothing but design, engineer and produce consumer motorcycles, sells an 1125R to Buell RACING, a company chartered to prepare Buells in racing form for sale to racers. Is's that pretty much what these other teams do? | ||
| Ducxl |
I mean how about if Buell MOTORCYCLE company, allowed to do nothing but design, engineer and produce consumer motorcycles, sells an 1125R to Buell RACING, a company chartered to prepare Buells in racing form for sale to racers. Ducati Corse is also a SEPARATE entity from DMC.That way racing doesn't interfere with profit/bottom line? | ||
| Spike |
Sounds good, but that's not what the press releases say:
Two different press releases claiming that Buell Motorcycle Company released the 1125RR. | ||
| Cityxslicker |
Mutha F'r f'n f'yitty f' F! So they are willing to carve out a niche and turn a blind eye to the rules for Buell for a 1125RR but not the 450 MX bike? Sumnabiatch I want some face time with these beauracrats. They are one step away from the twits that are trying to ban mini dirt bikes because of metal content because stupid lil Timmy cant figure out that he shouldnt EAT a miniscooter. Neither camp has any touch with real world riding of Joe average customer. What happened to the Race on Sunday buy on Monday mantra? When did the production, race, market, SELL disconnect get so far outta whack? meh WSB is like riding a carosel. It has nothing to do with real horses, you are trapped going around in a circle and for my tastes they are on parr to watch. | ||
| Court |
>>>Two different press releases claiming that Buell Motorcycle Company released the 1125RR. You could be right. . . but most the rest of the arguments about the 1125RR are so frickin' stupid I figured why not toss that in the mix. | ||
| Firebolt020283 |
ok so i read this thread and i am confused as to what the big fuss is about. all buell did is think of its customers by saving them a few thousand dollars and garage space by making it to were they do not have to buy a bunch of stock parts they were going to throw in the corner of there garage any way. Every one should be excited that buell is offering something like this as it saves money for the people we should be rooting for on Sunday if you are in fact a buell enthusiast. If i owned a race team, sponsored one, or was trying to go racing out of my own pocket I would be very happy to know that there is a company out there that was thinking of my garage space and pocket book in such a way. | ||
| Bads1 |
Spike I know HD is laying off here but you might want to go for the job of doing their press releases. That way nobody will misconstrue the info. | ||
| Skntpig |
^^^^Wise words Firebolt. Does it matter that Buell does under the same entity? At least these are available by any licensed racer from your dealer. I wonder if I (race license holder but not Miladin) can walk into the Suzuki dealer and order up a stock bike and the Yosh kit with all the factory works parts. Unobtanium. (Message edited by skntpig on July 17, 2009) | ||
| Fast1075 |
Unobtainium is so '70's ...that was the difference between my CR-125 and the "Works" bikes... Today the exotic material is unrealmium...it is so expensive that Suzuki told MJ that he "couldn't afford" the trick parts. LOL!!!! |
