| Author | Message | ||
     Steve_mackay |
Hey Danny_h__jesternut, why don't you go get us the VIN #s off the Suzuki AMA Superbikes. | ||
| Bads1 |
Steve, They do start with a bike with a VIN. Its destroyed later for sure. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
And looking at the picture that bike is sweet...so let it be legal to ride on the street...I don't get that part.... Patience, grasshopper. | ||
| Geforce |
Cool, we got ourselves an 1125R tweaked for Superbike...shame people are freaking out about it having one more R added to it and complaining. Pretty simple logic and cost effective to me. Don't worry Buell, we're rooting for you, all your hard work and effort will be rewarded someday...Give 'em hell!  | ||
| Ceejay |
glitch, I think grandstand sells em. I though they were factory only parts too, but check out their site... | ||
| Cyclonedon |
this new Buell will be interesting to see run! Somebody please help me out here: didn't Michael Jordan try to buy one of Suzuki's factory race bikes a couple of years ago and they turned him down? I'm almost certain I read that somewhere, does anybody else remember reading that? | ||
| Svh |
I remember that also. That was last year I believe before the season and there was talks of MJ leaving the sport. Suzuki wised up and gives them more support than before but they aren't a factory type team. | ||
| Badlionsfan |
MJ spent years trying to get the stuff the factory team had. The good stuff (likely not the best still IMO) from Suzi is just starting to come thru. All Buell is doing here is saying "here's the best of what we have for AMA superbike, ready to race for all who want it", instead of hoarding it for a factory team. Buell has always wanted try to include as many people as possible in racing, not exclude like Suzi was doing to even a marketing dream like Michael Jordan. Anyone who thinks this a cheater bike or what ever needs to remove their cranium from their anal cavity. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
pods? | ||
| Unibear12r |
Lol. So Buell puts out another street 1125 with the front fender and a couple of other minor parts, re-badge it as the 1125RR and they'd be no different than anybody else. Crying over semantics at best!!! As for me I think the current 1125 makes both the DSB and Superbike Buells legal. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I bet that thing sounds sweet at whatever redline it now has!!! | ||
| Liquorwhere |
Do you think Suzuki has parts on there race teams....Yosh Jordan and National Guard that any team riding a GSXR can have??? Well they can't. Jordans team just this year started getting more of the goodies. As far as Buell is concerned. They are producing a bike with in house parts that anyone can buy to compete at Superbike level at basically bargain price. Unlike owning a Suzuki you can't just go have special aftermarket engine internal's to build the motor to still not compete with the factory Suzuki teams. Buell gave you a bike that can. Its race only because it can't be put on the street meaning no doubt no VIN. If it had VIN someone could register it,put it on the street and Buell would be producing a bike that is not EPA legal. There doing the same thing just in another fashion. They have done nothing wrong here. I think you have some points, but let me be clear, this is in direct opposition to the rules stated by DMG, not that I agree with their rules, but it is in opposition, as far as parts no one else can get, that may be true to a point, but all parts have to be submitted for homologation and allowed by the sanctioning body, in this case AMA/DMG, and all the parts submitted by Yosh Suzuki were accepted, back when Jordan first started running a superbike team, team Yosh had a cheater device, even Miguel DuHamel commented on it, the bike when on it side in a corner had what is close to a rev limiter on it acting as traction control, they were much faster through the corners because of it and much faster coming out of the corners because of it, those were some of the parts Jordan was asking for, but at the time were illegal in AMA, it is one reason in my humble opinion Spies is doing so well in Europe, he is super talented and he rode a bike with a similar set up to WSBK at Yosh years before traction control was approved by AMA, it taught him to carry high corner speeds and he capitalized on it, these detuned bikes that are currently running in the series will never be quite as fast nor will anyone be as good as Mladin, he will not be giving away any wins until his contract is up or Yosh Suzuki pulls out of the series. I don't care for the GSXR, my buddy has one, we converted it to a streetfighter and it is something to ride, only a yosh pipe and it will power wheelie at over 100 mph, I have done it, but it is nothing different or exciting to me, plus I like the twins better, Duc, Aprilia, Buell, RC51...all wonderful bikes, this bike, meaning the 1125RR, while it looks sweet, it really does, and I am sure it is fast, should be available as a street legal piece, the EPA restrictions are all in the ECM, it is really not that much different from the engine Aprilia used in British Superbike and in the endurance series some years back, so that EPA excuse is just that, an excuse. Like I said, if it helps tear the AMA/DMG series down and drives off the other factories so the series folds or whatever and MIC creates a true series, I am all for it. | ||
| Ceejay |
huh? | ||
| Hughlysses |
Liquorwhere- I really don't understand the objections to this bike. The intent of the rules is that the bikes have to be based on a street-legal production motorcycle; the 1125RR is clearly based on the 1125R. Any of the Superbike race teams could show up Saturday with a bike labeled as an 1125R with the exact same modifications as this one and nobody would object. If it had a 1200cc engine or a different frame or something radically different from the production 1125R you'd have a point. All the 1125RR does is make it much easier for privateers to compete. Now if the Japanese manufacturers try to do the same thing and DMG doesn't let them, the detractors would have a point, but I just don't see that happening. | ||
| Elvis |
Let's use some simple logic: 1125RR = A race tuned 1125R with modified race pipe, modified valves, chain kit, bodywork, modified camshaft etc. etc. A race tuned 1125R with modified race pipe, modified valves, chain kit, bodywork, modified camshaft etc. etc. is legal and perfectly fair for competition in Superbike. Therefore, by simple logic, the 1125RR is legal and perfectly fair for competition in Superbike. Can one little 'R' really cause this much confusion? I can see that it can be used as a tool by Superbikeplanet to try to sway their ignorant readers to their Buell-hating way of thinking, but I would expect more of the people around here. | ||
| Spatten1 |
I think you have some points, but let me be clear, this is in direct opposition to the rules stated by DMG, not that I agree with their rules, but it is in opposition This is 100% correct. Buell should sell race parts kits like the Japanese factories have in the past. Buy a stock bike with headlights, buy the parts, install them. Not that difficult to obey the damn rules with a race kit. | ||
| Hughlysses |
Buell should sell race parts kits like the Japanese factories have in the past. Buy a stock bike with headlights, buy the parts, install them. Not that difficult to obey the damn rules with a race kit. True, they could have done exactly that, which would result in the actual cost of a ready-to-race 1125R Superbike being MUCH higher than this one will be, putting it beyond the reach of many privateers. Either way, the end result is the same exact bike on the track. How can we fault Buell (especially knowing Erik's background) for going to the sanctioning body and saying "This is the bike that will be raced. We can get there by method A or method B, but the bike will be the same. Doesn't it make sense for the benefit of the racers to allow method B?" The sanctioning body obviously agreed with Buell's logic and ruled the bike OK. | ||
| Badlionsfan |
Spatten, So what you're saying is that you don't have a problem with the final product, but with the method of delivery???? If Buell made a racer buy a stock bike, then all the race stuff separately and put it all together themselves you'd be ok with that? Besides the way Buell is doing it being more economical to the racer, what the hell is the difference, the extra "r" at the end? If this is your argument, it's a completely retarded point that only the principal from Billy Madison can respond to. | ||
| Bott |
noticed some of the other sites have people whining about the fact that you need a race license to purchase the RR. How quickly they forget about even Multi-millionaire former basketball players being denied Suzuki go-fast factory parts. Seems it would be MUCH easier to get a race license than it would be to play for the Chicago Bulls...  | ||
| Spike |
It's not about what Scott or anyone else is ok with, it's about what the rulebook says. The rule book says street-certified production model. Buell says the 1125RR is a race-use only competition motorcycle. The 1125RR does not meet the AMA Superbike rules as written. | ||
| Liquorwhere |
Let me be clear, I could care less. Truly, I don't watch AMA/DMG events, I think the series is crap, and I don't care what they do, My objection, HUGH, is that I would don't understand why this bike cannot be the 1125R, get it? Why limit the power, detune the bike for the consumer, and then produce something that is finally really sweet and has the potential to be a kick ass bike and make it for off road use only. Plus, while I could care less about DMG and their rules, it does not meet the requirements for racing in the series as stated in their rule book, which if you look back to a post where I copied and pasted the link from superbike planet you can download the rule book and confirm that for yourself. Is that clear enough??? You get this one Ceejay? Ok cool. Thanks. | ||
| Liquorwhere |
SPIKE +1.....excellent. So there ya go. | ||
| Badlionsfan |
It's not about what Scott or anyone else is ok with, it's about what the rulebook says. The rule book says street-certified production model. Buell says the 1125RR is a race-use only competition motorcycle. The 1125RR does not meet the AMA Superbike rules as written. Ok, I get it now. The new and smallest kid on the block (Buell) is writing their own rules, for a factory team that doesn't exist. | ||
| Badlionsfan |
Let me be clear, I could care less. Truly, I don't watch AMA/DMG events, I think the series is crap, and I don't care what they do, My objection, HUGH, is that I would don't understand why this bike cannot be the 1125R, get it? Why limit the power, detune the bike for the consumer, and then produce something that is finally really sweet and has the potential to be a kick ass bike and make it for off road use only. And how do you or anyone else know that a street version isn't coming?? Now excuse me while I run to store on my New R1, the EXACT same bike Rossi rides.  | ||
| Court |
Amazing to see the body of knowledge that exists based on no more than a press release barely a day old. Toss some facts in this mix and who knows where we could go?? Bless the internet. . . . source of divine omniscience. | ||
| Badlionsfan |
Amazing to see the body of knowledge that exists based on no more than a press release barely a day old. Toss some facts in this mix and who knows where we could go?? Bless the internet. . . . source of divine omniscience. Court, Don't confuse people with the facts when their minds are made up. | ||
| Greenlantern |
Why limit the power, detune the bike for the consumer, and then produce something that is finally really sweet and has the potential to be a kick ass bike and make it for off road use only. a) It is only a 1125r with some catalogue available parts bolted on/ in at the factory. b) Press releases tend to be a little dramatic, see above. c) Reliability and ride quality issues that race bikes do not have to be concerned with. d) Facepalm e) All of the above. | ||
| 4cammer |
So, will that front fender bolt on to my XB9R? I'd love one in black please! | ||
| Liquorwhere |
And how do you or anyone else know that a street version isn't coming?? Now excuse me while I run to store on my New R1, the EXACT same bike Rossi rides Where is the street version of the XBRR, the Destroyer? I don't see that one either, Rossi doesn't ride an R1, sir, he rides an M1, a prototype bike that cannot contain mass produced parts, one off parts only, per the rules of Dorna, so what you meant was an R1 just like Spies rides, and you can do that, buy the bike, buy the homologation race kit and make it just like his. So there ya go...don't confuse yourself with facts when you mind is made up.....you might hurt something. | ||
| Badlionsfan |
I'm still trying to figure out why I can't find a rear wheel drive v8 toyota camry like the ones I see them nascar boys drivin'. |
