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Cpilot
Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 06:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am currently on a vacation trip experiencing the fantastic roads in Colorado with some friends. The 08 Uly has been running great hauling my wife and I up and down the passes and valleys. The second day in I notice that the Uly is leaning too far over on the kick stand. On closer inspection I found the whole stand loose and the forward bolt head was missing. I tightened the aft bolt to take some of the slop out of stand bracket. That worked fine for another day... each time I put the stand down I also put a rock under the stand foot to keep the big more upright with less strain on the the remaining bolt. The the next morning I took the rock out and hoisted my right leg over the saddle and kapow, snap, and oh rats as the Uly and I both went tumbling. The remaining bolt head sheered off. Luckily not too much damage... broken turn signal lens and my homemade GPS bracket. I am very thankful for the side bags that keep the damage to a minimum. I rode the next couple of days having to refuel without dismounting and at longer stops find a place to lean the Uly up against.

Now things go from bad to worse. I called ahead too to a local dealer. They said they had the bolts and would clear a place for me. So the next day I made it to the dealer and they took the bike. I check by the end of the day and the tech was unsuccessful at getting the bolts out. So I told them to put it back together and I would continue my vacation ride and suffer with the pain of trying to find places to lean the bike up against. Upon picking up the bike I couldn't believe what I saw. The tech had tried to drill out the bolts with a large diameter bit, and it went off center eating into the case. The holes are now a 1/4 of a hole width elongated to one side.

I am to bring the bike back next week when the vacation ends, and they will take it to a machine shop where someone will use some sort of laser tool to get the bolt out. Then they will need to installed a threaded insert.... bummer.

Anyone else have kickstand bolts breaking?
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Froggy
Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 07:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There was a recall on the 06 models for this, and its been a problem for years on the other XB models. I have never heard of it on a 08, but there is a first for everything.
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Rsh
Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 07:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have had the kickstand pivot bolt break, but not the bolts that attach the kickstand assembly to the engine case. My case bolts have come loose once in 60K miles.
That blows that the tech doing the work screwed things up as he did. I hope they don't charge you for the repair.
I would rather have someone say they can't do the job properly so I can go elsewhere instead of having a tech continue only to have things F...ed up. Good luck.
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Jcbikes
Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 07:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What dealer?
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Invisible_monster
Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 07:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would also like to know which dealer did this.
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Jphish
Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 07:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My 08 had the bolts back out and left the bike leaning at about 45* - thought it looked odd. Dealer locktited them back in when I took it in for the blown rear shock. j
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Xbimmer
Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 08:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bike still on warranty????

Was the dealer a HD dealer?
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Hughlysses
Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 08:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Doesn't the kickstand bolt to the bottom of the primary cover? If it's under warranty, and the dealer screwed it up, seems like you get a new primary cover. That way you don't have to worry about some half-assed repair.
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Swampy
Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 10:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The Kick Stand bolts are not attached to the primary cover. They are attached to the engine case.

Gads! Thats going to be expensive.
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Florida_lime
Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 10:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Since he has an '08, I'd expect it to be under warranty.
Shouldn't cost him a dime.

Of course, time is money, so that part of the job will be pricey.
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Cpilot
Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 11:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The bike is still under warranty. The Service Manager said they would make sure the bike was as good as new and apologized a number of times. I do believe that they will get it done right, the second time.

Normally I would have center punch the bolt and go with a right angle drill with a small pilot hole, then a step up with a bigger bit and then a step up for the biggest easy-out that would fit.... but that is me.... I took it to this dealer because it was convenient with the trip. Don't like to mention names here but the dealer is south of Denver and north of Pueblo. As I said they are going to make it right, which I believe they will.

One thing I learned from the SM, if you have a kick stand bolt that works its way out, you have probably bent the bolt. So when you tighten the bolt up it bends it back the other direction, weakening the bolt. My take from this is, if you have a bolt that has worked its way loose, replace it.
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Xbimmer
Posted on Thursday, July 02, 2009 - 11:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The bike is still under warranty. The Service Manager said they would make sure the bike was as good as new and apologized a number of times. I do believe that they will get it done right, the second time...

The Kick Stand bolts are not attached to the primary cover. They are attached to the engine case.

Gads! Thats going to be expensive.


Yeah that'll be expensive, but since it's on warranty and an authorized dealer hamfisted an attempted repair and screwed up the case, well, it's on their dime.

Better get your documents in line and get ahold of Buell Customer Service, IMHO.
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Ratbuell
Posted on Friday, July 03, 2009 - 10:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The factory stand-to-case bolts bent/stretched on my '06 a while back. I thought it was odd that it was leaning nearly as much as my S2, LOL. When I swapped to an XT stand (bigger foot, doesn't sink in the mud as much) and the updated pivot pin, I put in grade 8s from a hardware store, with blue loctite. No issues since.
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Friday, July 03, 2009 - 01:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My 2008 did that too.

I brought my bike in for a rocker leak.
The dealer saw the kickstand was only barely on the bike.
I had no idea that it was only held on with one bolt.
I never maltreated my stand.
I don't know what did it in.
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Cpilot
Posted on Wednesday, July 15, 2009 - 11:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I need to give you an update, especially to let all know that the local dealer really came through. As stated at the beginning of this thread the tech messed up on getting the broken bolts out. The Service Manager said he would make it right, and he did. This is how he went beyond my expectations:

-- The shop foreman took over the project and was able to get the bolts out. The aft hole was elongated so he drilled it out and put in a helicoil (or something similar). He went with a larger size bolt that the original. He drilled the forward hole out to a larger size and tapped it.

-- They ordered a 09 kickstand at their cost and installed it. The 09 has a third bolt, so the drilled a taped a new hole to fit the stand.

-- They replaced the broken turn signal lens at their cost.

-- That had to remove the muffler assembly which meant they had to drain the oil, so they did a oil and filter change with HD Synthetic

-- Downloaded the latest ECM update and did an quick check to confirm the bike was running

-- Called me several times to give me updates.

-- Allowed me to inspect the repair before the new kick stand was installed.

I have gone from frustration over the botched repair... to being a satisfied customer. When the Service Manager said they would make it right.... they did.
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